2015 Mid Atlantic Region

[Mr.Right]

Well...I just noticed Etown beat Dickinson so they might be #3 but your telling me Dickinson's reward for beating the #2 ranked team is to move up one spot?

Right and Etown won't jump Lycoming so therefore Dickinson doesn't jump either of them. It's not about rewards? Why would you punish Etown or Lycoming for consistently winning like they are suppose to?

Let us compare some common opponents amongst the 4 teams:

Etown: 16-1-1 w/wins over Dickinson, Messiah, Scranton, Sus, loss to F&M, tie Alvernia,
Lyco: 14-1-2 w/wins over Messiah, Scranton, Sus, Alvernia, LVC, Stevenson, tie Arcadia
F&M: 15-2-0 w/wins over LVC, Arcadia, Etown, Stevenson, loss Dickinson
Dickinson: 10-3-3 w/wins over LVC, Scranton, F&M, losses to Etown and Alvernia

So you're telling me that Lyco and F&M beat Alvernia, Etown ties them, but Dickinson loses to them...so that's a strike for Dickinson.

Dickinson loses to Etown, F&M beats Etown
Dickinson beats F&M, F&M loses to Dickinson

My point being is that it's always going to be a toss up even with common opponents thrown together, but Dickinson's blemishes just in the common opponents category between the 4 teams has them arguably 4th out of 4.

SOS favors Dickinson over Etown and Lyco. But once again everything else favors Etown and Lyco over Dickinson especially Etown having the head to head win...Etown has no reason to jump Lyco so Lyco will stay ahead of them. It's going to come down to where F&M falls. F&M might fall inbetween Etown and Lyco. Dickinson shouldn't jump any of the top 4 and they don't deserve to jump any of the top 4.

It is not about punishment. It has always been about reward. Dickinson just beat your #2 ranked team in your region. I promise you they will get rewarded for that. Etown just beat Scranton. They will not get punished for it unless Scranton had a really bad record. The only reason Etown will jump to #3 is because they DID beat Dickinson which matters to the committee. What you are talking about with common opponents matters but IMO the committee looks at that as one of the final primary criteria in picking teams. Meaning it is not as heavily favored IMO as say Results v Ranked and SOS and even OWP. That is just IMO in watching what they have done over 10+ years. I still believe Dickinson will be #4 and Lycoming might drop to #5. However, Etown with an unimpressive .525 SOS is very hard to ignore. That will hurt them regardless if they are #2 or #3 or #4 or whatever. Stacked up against other bubble teams that will not FLY. They NEED the AQ.

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

Well...I just noticed Etown beat Dickinson so they might be #3 but your telling me Dickinson's reward for beating the #2 ranked team is to move up one spot?

Right and Etown won't jump Lycoming so therefore Dickinson doesn't jump either of them. It's not about rewards? Why would you punish Etown or Lycoming for consistently winning like they are suppose to?

Let us compare some common opponents amongst the 4 teams:

Etown: 16-1-1 w/wins over Dickinson, Messiah, Scranton, Sus, loss to F&M, tie Alvernia,
Lyco: 14-1-2 w/wins over Messiah, Scranton, Sus, Alvernia, LVC, Stevenson, tie Arcadia
F&M: 15-2-0 w/wins over LVC, Arcadia, Etown, Stevenson, loss Dickinson
Dickinson: 10-3-3 w/wins over LVC, Scranton, F&M, losses to Etown and Alvernia

So you're telling me that Lyco and F&M beat Alvernia, Etown ties them, but Dickinson loses to them...so that's a strike for Dickinson.

Dickinson loses to Etown, F&M beats Etown
Dickinson beats F&M, F&M loses to Dickinson

My point being is that it's always going to be a toss up even with common opponents thrown together, but Dickinson's blemishes just in the common opponents category between the 4 teams has them arguably 4th out of 4.

SOS favors Dickinson over Etown and Lyco. But once again everything else favors Etown and Lyco over Dickinson especially Etown having the head to head win...Etown has no reason to jump Lyco so Lyco will stay ahead of them. It's going to come down to where F&M falls. F&M might fall inbetween Etown and Lyco. Dickinson shouldn't jump any of the top 4 and they don't deserve to jump any of the top 4.

It is not about punishment. It has always been about reward. Dickinson just beat your #2 ranked team in your region. I promise you they will get rewarded for that. Etown just beat Scranton. They will not get punished for it unless Scranton had a really bad record. The only reason Etown will jump to #3 is because they DID beat Dickinson which matters to the committee. What you are talking about with common opponents matters but IMO the committee looks at that as one of the final primary criteria in picking teams. Meaning it is not as heavily favored IMO as say Results v Ranked and SOS and even OWP. That is just IMO in watching what they have done over 10+ years. I still believe Dickinson will be #4 and Lycoming might drop to #5. However, Etown with an unimpressive .525 SOS is very hard to ignore. That will hurt them regardless if they are #2 or #3 or #4 or whatever. Stacked up against other bubble teams that will not FLY. They NEED the AQ.

I understand your logic but just don't agree with it in this scenario. Just looking from week 1 to 2 and now to tomorrow Lycoming was #2 and Etown was #3, then Lycoming was #3 and Etown was #4 because of the Haverford win over F&M which gave them a jump plus their SOS and RvR was better. So this was anticipated and not a surprise to most. Now F&M has lost again, but has a higher SOS and pretty similar RvR compared to Lycoming and Etown. Dickinson has a better SOS but a worse record and RvR than F&M, Lycoming, and Etown.

I just can't see 11-3-3 Dickinson passing 16-1-1 Etown or 14-1-2 Lycoming because of one win. Like I said previously, the SOS is the only favorable stat for Dickinson over Etown and Lycoming...other than that everything else favors Etown and Lycoming.

Honestly if we look at everything it could go like this...(not saying it will, but it could)

1. Fords---14-3-0, beat F&M, Hopkins, and Dickinson, Cen. Conf. Regular Season Champs
2. Lyco---14-1-2, beat Messiah, Commonwealth Conf. Regular Season Champs
3. F&M---15-2-0, beat Etown and Hopkins, lost to Fords and Dickinson, Cen. Conf. Runner-up
4. Etown---16-1-1, beat Dickinson, Messiah, lost to F&M, Landmark Conf. Regular Season Champs
5. Dickinson---11-3-3, beat F&M, tied Hopkins, lost to Etown and Fords, Cen. Conf. 3rd place
6. Messiah---13-4-1, lost to Etown and Lyco, Commonwealth Conf. Runner-up
7. Hopkins---10-4-3, tied Dickinson, lost to Fords and F&M, Cen. Conf. 4th place
8. Eastern---14-2-2 or Kings---15-3-1 or Cabrini---13-2-3

[Shooter McGavin]

MID-ATLANTIC-WEEK 2            
1.   Franklin & Marshall   14-1-0       
2.   Haverford   12-3-0   
3.   Lycoming   13-1-2   
4.   Elizabethtown   15-1-1   
5.   Eastern   13-1-2   
6.   Dickinson   9-3-3   
7.   Messiah   11-4-1   
8.   Johns Hopkins   8-4-3   

This is the last NCAA poll (2nd release). What you are going to see based off of wins and losses is F&M and Fords will switch because Fords are 2-0 and F&M is 1-1. Lycoming and Etown stay the same because of 1-0 weeks. Next you will see Eastern drop because they went 1-1 so everyone behind them will bump up one spot because they all went 2-0 so Eastern drops to 8. So that leaves you with this:

1. Fords
2. F&M
3. Lyco
4. Etown
5. Dickinson
6. Messiah
7. Hopkins
8. Eastern

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

http://www.nscaa.com/rankings/4879

[lastguyoffthebench]

Shooter agree with your assessment again, but will Eastern SOS clear .500?   That's why I had a question mark for the 8th slot

[Shooter McGavin]

Shooter agree with your assessment again, but will Eastern SOS clear .500?   That's why I had a question mark for the 8th slot

Yeah it's a toss up so I put Eastern in since they have been in throughout. Kings and Cabrini SOS will also be just as low as Eastern's if not lower.

Not sure if it clears .500...it will be very close.

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

Scranton defeated Susquehanna 2-0 last night in the Landmark semifinals. Will face the winner of tonight's match between Catholic and Etown. Etown beat Catholic back in mid-September by a score of 5-2. 

Widener defeated Arcadia for the 2nd time this season both at Arcadia. Final score was 3-2 in 2OT. Widener now travels to Lycoming today for the 2nd time in 3 games as they met each other just 5 days ago. The Warriors won that match by a score of 2-0. Messiah hosts Leb Val who gave the Falcons a scare back in early October as LVC jumped out to a 2-0 lead before withering away and losing 4-2. The winners face off in the finals this Saturday. 

Eastern looks to avenge a 3-2 loss at FDU-Florham today. The teams met just 5 days ago. Manhattanville travels to Kings for a rematch from a 1-1 draw earlier in the year. A game that I would keep my eye on. The winners (which is a toss up at this point) face of this Saturday for a chance to make the NCAA tournament. (85% chance this is a one bid league)

Keystone over Immaculata last night 1-0 on the road. They travel to Cabrini in the semifinals of the CSAC on Thursday. Neumann defeated Centenary 2-1 on the road as well. They will travel to Marywood tomorrow night as well. Winners will face off in the final this Saturday. (One bid league)

Swat travels to Hopkins tonight. They are looking to avenge a 3-2 home loss to JHU earlier in the year. The winners will be rewarded with a match at Haverford this Saturday. Dickinson and F&M also square off at Haverford on Saturday. F&M is looking to avenge a 1-0 loss from just a week ago. Winners face off on little rest the very next day.

I don't think I missed anybody...should be a great week of soccer!

[lastguyoffthebench]

I've been impressed with Manhattanville.  Who presents more of a match-up problem for Eastern, with the anticipation that they beat FDU-Florham?

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

I've been impressed with Manhattanville.  Who presents more of a match-up problem for Eastern, with the anticipation that they beat FDU-Florham?

Kings has had their number the past 2 seasons and also ruined their undefeated season this year...the match-up would be @Kings where they lost earlier as I mentioned. It could be motivation for Eastern to get revenge or it could be a mental blow up since they know Kings has had the edge over the past 2 seasons and now this year. They will be on the road if Kings wins so I think that match-up will be a more entertaining and a tougher game for Eastern. If they host the final vs Manhattanville I think Eastern wins. Kings game would be a better final to see IMO and a toss up.

[lastguyoffthebench]

Did not see that JHU bump of Messiah coming...  I guess those three games vs low win % conference teams hurt their cause.

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

Eastern wins in 2OT 1-0
Lycoming beats Widener again 2-0

Etown, Kings and Messiah yet to play.

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

1. Fords
2. F&M
3. Lyco
4. Etown
5. Dickinson
6. Hopkins
7. Messiah
8. Eastern

I am surprised to see Messiah drop. SOS is pretty much the same, RvR favors JHU, record overall favors Messiah. Interesting jump their. Lycoming winning tonight I think makes them a lock for a pool C bid no matter the outcome Saturday. Etown would be on the fence if they lost because of SOS.

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

Etown, Kings, and Messiah all advance to their conference finals.

Also JHU smashed Swat last night 5-0.

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

MID-ATLANTIC REGION (data sheet)
Rank        School                     Overall           SOS     RvR    Prev.

1.   Haverford                          14-3-0        0.584      5-2-0       2
2.   Franklin and Marshall       15-2-0            0.567      3-2-0     1
3.   Lycoming                           14-1-2        0.545      1-1-0       3
4.   Elizabethtown                   16-1-1        0.525      2-1-0       4
5.   Dickinson                           11-3-3        0.569      2-2-1       6
6.   Johns Hopkins                   10-4-3        0.573      2-3-2       8
7.   Messiah                           13-4-1        0.580      0-4-1        7
8.   Eastern                           14-2-2        0.506      2-0-0        5
9.   Gettysburg                   10-5-1             0.546      0-4-1       9

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

MID-ATLANTIC REGION-UPDATED AS OF 11/4/15
Rank        School                     Overall           SOS     RvR    Prev.

1.   Haverford                          14-3-0        0.584      5-2-0       2--------DNP
2.   Franklin and Marshall       15-2-0            0.567      3-2-0     1-------DNP
3.   Lycoming                           15-1-2        0.545      1-1-0       3-------Beat Widener 2-0
4.   Elizabethtown                   17-1-1        0.525      2-1-0       4--------Beat Catholic 4-1
5.   Dickinson                           11-3-3        0.569      2-2-1       6-------DNP
6.   Johns Hopkins                   11-4-3        0.573      2-3-2       8--------Beat Swat 5-0
7.   Messiah                           14-4-1        0.580      0-4-1        7---------Beat Leb Val 4-0
8.   Eastern                           15-2-2        0.506      2-0-0        5----------Beat FDU-Florham 1-0 2OT
9.   Gettysburg                   10-5-1             0.546      0-4-1       9---------DNP