2015 Mid Atlantic Region

[Flying Weasel]

You should try to update the RvR.  For example, Hopkins loses a tie because TCNJ isn't ranked anymore.  Messiah picks up a win now that Wash & Lee is ranked.

[NEPAFAN]

what can Scranton do to slow down Etown and pull the upset? 6pm start at ETOWN in the Landmark Finals.

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

You should try to update the RvR.  For example, Hopkins loses a tie because TCNJ isn't ranked anymore.  Messiah picks up a win now that Wash & Lee is ranked.

I'll work on that...what are your thoughts on the upcoming Commonwealth final between Lycoming and Messiah FW?

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

MID-ATLANTIC REGION-UPDATED AS OF 11/4/15
Rank        School                     Overall           SOS     RvR    Prev.

1.   Haverford                          14-3-0        0.584      5-2-0       2--------DNP
2.   Franklin and Marshall       15-2-0            0.567      3-2-0     1-------DNP
3.   Lycoming                           15-1-2        0.545      1-1-0       3-------Beat Widener 2-0
4.   Elizabethtown                   17-1-1        0.525      2-1-0       4--------Beat Catholic 4-1
5.   Dickinson                           11-3-3        0.569      2-2-1       6-------DNP
6.   Johns Hopkins                   11-4-3        0.573      2-3-1       8--------Beat Swat 5-0
7.   Messiah                           14-4-1        0.580      1-4-1        7---------Beat Leb Val 4-0
8.   Eastern                           15-2-2        0.506      1-0-0        5----------Beat FDU-Florham 1-0 2OT
9.   Gettysburg                   10-5-1             0.546      0-4-1       9---------DNP


This has the RvR based off of the final published rankings. I will continue to update throughout the weekend...if I missed anything please let me know!

[lastguyoffthebench]

So much for Manhattanville.  Let's go Eastern! 

Camden usually plays Eastern every season, I guess neither could fit into the schedule... Would have been a nice matchup...

[Mr.Right]

So are you still sticking to your guns that Lycoming will get in?

1 ranked win and SOS .550 against these other resumes with 5 ranked wins and weaker SOS...Something has got to give..Will the committee favor the SOS or the RvR more? Will it be balanced or will they just pick and choose where they feel like it. I still say go back to once ranked always ranked but get some of the FAT out of these rankings by dropping 2-3 teams in each region.

[Mr.Right]

Compare Milwaukee Engineering and Lycoming. Two similar resumes and two teams in the same spot. They would go with Engineering

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

So are you still sticking to your guns that Lycoming will get in?

1 ranked win and SOS .550 against these other resumes with 5 ranked wins and weaker SOS...Something has got to give..Will the committee favor the SOS or the RvR more? Will it be balanced or will they just pick and choose where they feel like it. I still say go back to once ranked always ranked but get some of the FAT out of these rankings by dropping 2-3 teams in each region.

After these rankings I believe that Lycoming will get in win or lose (obviously win) on Saturday. Yes there are more big name teams losing in conference playoffs than anticipated but it shouldn't change too much. A lot will hinder on the F&M and Dickinson game and the outcome of the Centennial tournament. Teams like Lycoming and Etown are rooting for an F&M and Haverford final. Then they can breath easier. But if Dickinson beats F&M things get a little stickier.

With Lycoming staying third and assuming F&M or Haverford win the Centennial that takes an AQ then an at-large off the board bumping Lycoming to the next team in the region. Dickinson better hope Etown wins the Landmark if they lose to F&M and also they should be cheering for Lycoming to win the Commonwealth. Then you would see Dickinson out of the 5 slot bump to top of the region on the board to be compared with the other regions.

I think if Lyco and Etown both lose and Lyco goes off the board to Pool C it will be hard for Etown to feel safe for also getting a Pool C. If you are a Mid-Atlantic regional team that has a sliver of hope you are rooting for an F&M vs Fords final and Lyco and Etown to win their leagues. If all this happens then even JHU and Messiah have a chance (5% slim chance but still a chance).   

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

Compare Milwaukee Engineering and Lycoming. Two similar resumes and two teams in the same spot. They would go with Engineering

MSOE: 13-4-1, .555 SOS, 3-2-0 RvR
Lyco: 15-1-2, .545 SOS, 1-1-0 RvR 

It would be close. Lycoming's SOS will get a good bump after facing Messiah on Saturday as will MSOE will after facing Dominican.

SOS is practically the same but slight edge to MSOE.
RvR edge to MSOE.
Winning %/overall record edge to Lyco.
Amount of blemishes edge to Lyco.
2 more wins and 3 less losses total of 3 blemishes compared to 5 blemishes is in favor of Lyco.

So overall yes MSOE played more ranked teams, but their SOS is essentially the same which means the schedules weren't that much different and Lycoming has 2 less blemishes including 2 more wins and 3 less losses.

I don't think it's as clear cut as you think sometimes Mr. Right. 

[lastguyoffthebench]

Then how do you compare, two teams in same region like Wheaton Ill and MSOE:

Camden:  13-8-1  if lose to MSU  .605 SOS,  5-5 RvR   #2 or #3 in South Atlantic
Wheaton: 12-3-3                        .570 SOS,  2-2-2 RvR  #2 in Central (may fall to #3)
MSOE: 13-4-1,                           .555 SOS, 3-2-0 RvR   #3 in Central
Lyco: 15-1-2,                             .545 SOS, 1-1-0 RvR   #3 Mid-Atlantic


Committee is going to have plenty of head scratchers this year.   I couldn't pick 2 out of 4 here, honestly.  Lycoming or Camden?

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

Then how do you compare, two teams in same region like Wheaton Ill and MSOE:

Camden:  13-8-1  if lose to MSU  .605 SOS,  5-5 RvR   #2 or #3 in South Atlantic
Wheaton: 12-3-3                        .570 SOS,  2-2-2 RvR  #2 in Central (may fall to #3)
MSOE: 13-4-1,                           .555 SOS, 3-2-0 RvR   #3 in Central
Lyco: 15-1-2,                             .545 SOS, 1-1-0 RvR   #3 Mid-Atlantic


Committee is going to have plenty of head scratchers this year.   I couldn't pick 2 out of 4 here, honestly.  Lycoming or Camden?

I agree its a 3 way tie! with Camden lurking close behind.  But one of the Central region teams wouldn't be on the board so you would be comparing 3 of those teams for head to head to head plus other regions as well. Once the central team goes off the board then the other would be up for debate and so on and so forth.

If I had to rank I  would probably go like this:

1. Wheaton---ahead of Lyco bc of SOS difference
2. Lyco---ahead of MSOE bc of blemish difference and winning %, similar SOS
3. MSOE---ahead of Camden bc of record/blemishes
4. Camden---8 losses or 9 blemishes is too many

Why not throw Rochester in then? 6-4-5 record, SOS of .609, 1-1-4 RvR. 9 blemishes just like Camden, SOS BETTER than Camden, 4 less losses than Camden...and we aren't even considering Rochester? And your response is well that's crazy to consider them because of X,Y,Z...and that's my point when we say to consider Camden...   

[lastguyoffthebench]

Mid-Atlantic SOS

594   Swarthmore
584   Haverford
582   Catholic
580   Messiah
577   Ursinus
575   Muhlenberg
573   JHU
569   Dickinson
567   F&M
561   Alvernia
555   DeSales
555   Scranton
546   Gettysburg
545   Lycoming
544   Miseri
543   Merchant Marine
534   Susquehanna
529   Drew
526   LVC
525   E-town
524   Manhattanville
520   FDU-Florham
519   Goucher
516   Moravian
515   Stevenson
513   Albright
509   Widener
506   Eastern
505   McDaniel
504   Washington Coll
502   Arcadia
502   Juniata
502   Morrisville St
499   Neumann
495   Wilkes
492   Penn College
484   Rosemont
478   Marywood
476   Hood
473   Keystone
470   PSU-Berks
468   Wilson
459   Kings
458   Centenary (NJ)
450   Gallaudet
449   Cazenovia
445   Lancaster Bible
442   Cobleskill
442   Gwynedd Mercy
441   Delaware Valley
438   Cabrini
424   Summit
422   Wells
419   PSU-Abington
416   Keuka
413   Cairn
412   Immaculata
408   SUNY Poly
398   Bryn Athyn
348   Valley Forge

[lastguyoffthebench]

Not consider Rochester because they aren't even Regionally Ranked.  No shot.

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

Not consider Rochester because they aren't even Regionally Ranked.  No shot.

Yes I get that. I was just using them as an example is all 

[Shooter McGavin]

Then how do you compare, two teams in same region like Wheaton Ill and MSOE:

Camden:  13-8-1  if lose to MSU  .605 SOS,  5-5 RvR   #2 or #3 in South Atlantic
Wheaton: 12-3-3                        .570 SOS,  2-2-2 RvR  #2 in Central (may fall to #3)
MSOE: 13-4-1,                           .555 SOS, 3-2-0 RvR   #3 in Central
Lyco: 15-1-2,                             .545 SOS, 1-1-0 RvR   #3 Mid-Atlantic


Committee is going to have plenty of head scratchers this year.   I couldn't pick 2 out of 4 here, honestly.  Lycoming or Camden?

1. Lyco
2. Wheaton
3. MSOE
4. Camden