Pool C -- 2015

[SaintsFAN]

If you're a 2-loss team, be sure you lose to teams like Oshkosh and Whitewater, and not a loss to B-W who lost to Bluffton who lost to...Wilmington. Again...ONU lost to a team that lost to a team that lost to Wilmington.

I think the bigger thing in play w/ respect to UWP is that amongst the 4 RRO results, they won two.  Hardin-Simmons was the only other at-large team with multiple RRO wins.

if you are going by the projected regional rankings UMHB anD HSU have 2 wins against RROs. HSU vs UMHB &TLU UMHB vs ETBU and TLU

After the third loss yesterday, ETBU won't be in the Regional Rankings this week - if they were to be released.  Losing by 47 is not a way to impress the South RAC.  I believe the reason they beat HSU was the condition of the field.

[wally_wabash]

You're right, Toby, thanks.  By the time I got to that post last night I was out of mental bandwidth. 

We had kept ETBU in the South's rankings last night, but it wouldn't shock me if they were knocked out in favor of Muhlenberg (there they are again!).  Don't believe that would have any significant effect on the selections or the pairings (the ASC teams are pretty locked in to their place in the bracket). 

[Ralph Turner]

No, what could happen is a parallel universe where it's the evil Mt. Union, the one where the coaches wear goatees (or don't if they have one now) and they lose to Wilmington 66-3

That episode has got to be 46 years old now!

Who knows, we might see that alternate universe was changed with the big explosion in the most recent Star Trek movie.

[ExTartanPlayer]

LOL.  Having just seen Mount Union's quadrant revealed, I can't wait to see the reaction here.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Franklin hosting doesn't surprise me based on the past (they hosted WashU two years ago in a surprising home 1st round game) ... I was expecting maybe a Franklin-Albion matchup... but Ohio Northern? Can't wait to hear about the Polar Bears getting a Pool C.

[ExTartanPlayer]

but Ohio Northern? Can't wait to hear about the Polar Bears getting a Pool C.

I expect that UWP is going to be a little salty about this.

[jknezek]

but Ohio Northern? Can't wait to hear about the Polar Bears getting a Pool C.

I expect that UWP is going to be a little salty about this.

I expect they should be. Both Whitworth and ONU...

[Ralph Turner]

When I saw La Verne going to Tommieland, I thought the committee had given us a slightly different bracket.

I like W&L at T More.
I like Cort/Salisbury winner going west.

Huntingdon Hendrix winner vs Texas winner is intra-region.

[D3MAFAN]

When I saw La Verne going to Tommieland, I thought the committee had given us a slightly different bracket.

I like W&L at T More.
I like Cort/Salisbury winner going west.

Huntingdon Hendrix winner vs Texas winner is intra-region.

Only wish they could have avoided the rematch...

[wally_wabash]

Franklin hosting doesn't surprise me based on the past (they hosted WashU two years ago in a surprising home 1st round game) ... I was expecting maybe a Franklin-Albion matchup... but Ohio Northern? Can't wait to hear about the Polar Bears getting a Pool C.

The West RAC had to have kept Whitworth ahead of Platteville which is the only way these selections make sense.  So in round 5 you're picking from RPI, ONU, Whitworth, and Guilford.  I guess you can like ONU there, because...they beat John Carroll?  I don't know.  Is that enough to trump an extra loss and an SOS deficit to Whitworth and Guilford?  For me it isn't, but the committee voted otherwise. 

Then you bring Olivet in and you can pretty much toss a coin between Whitworth, Guilford, and Olivet.  They're basically the same team profile-wise. 

Maybe LaVerne got ranked at the end which would have helped Whitworth, but we didn't see a reason to do that.  Doesn't mean it didn't happen though. 

[AO]

Franklin hosting doesn't surprise me based on the past (they hosted WashU two years ago in a surprising home 1st round game) ... I was expecting maybe a Franklin-Albion matchup... but Ohio Northern? Can't wait to hear about the Polar Bears getting a Pool C.

The West RAC had to have kept Whitworth ahead of Platteville which is the only way these selections make sense.  So in round 5 you're picking from RPI, ONU, Whitworth, and Guilford.  I guess you can like ONU there, because...they beat John Carroll?  I don't know.  Is that enough to trump an extra loss and an SOS deficit to Whitworth and Guilford?  For me it isn't, but the committee voted otherwise. 

Then you bring Olivet in and you can pretty much toss a coin between Whitworth, Guilford, and Olivet.  They're basically the same team profile-wise. 

Maybe LaVerne got ranked at the end which would have helped Whitworth, but we didn't see a reason to do that.  Doesn't mean it didn't happen though.

The final blame still needs to be placed on the national committee.  If they liked Platteville over Whitworth, they should have reorganized the regional rankings to reflect that.

[wally_wabash]

Franklin hosting doesn't surprise me based on the past (they hosted WashU two years ago in a surprising home 1st round game) ... I was expecting maybe a Franklin-Albion matchup... but Ohio Northern? Can't wait to hear about the Polar Bears getting a Pool C.

The West RAC had to have kept Whitworth ahead of Platteville which is the only way these selections make sense.  So in round 5 you're picking from RPI, ONU, Whitworth, and Guilford.  I guess you can like ONU there, because...they beat John Carroll?  I don't know.  Is that enough to trump an extra loss and an SOS deficit to Whitworth and Guilford?  For me it isn't, but the committee voted otherwise. 

Then you bring Olivet in and you can pretty much toss a coin between Whitworth, Guilford, and Olivet.  They're basically the same team profile-wise. 

Maybe LaVerne got ranked at the end which would have helped Whitworth, but we didn't see a reason to do that.  Doesn't mean it didn't happen though.

The final blame still needs to be placed on the national committee.  If they liked Platteville over Whitworth, they should have reorganized the regional rankings to reflect that.

If LaVerne was ranked last night, there's not a compelling reason to flip UWP and Whitworth.  It's close, but if the regional committee ranked Whitworth (with a RRO win) ahead of UWP, that's defensible, even if I would disagree.   

[ExTartanPlayer]

Fun Facts:

Mount Union Quadrant

1 North (Mount)
6 East
1 South (Hopkins)

UW-Oshkosh Quadrant

4 North (ONU, Franklin, Wheaton, Lakeland)
4 West (UWO, CSS, UWW, St. Norbert)

Linfield Quadrant

2 West (Linfield, Whitworth)
2 East (Salisbury, Cortland)
4 South (Huntingdon, Hendrix, UMHB, HSU)

St. Thomas Quadrant

4 West (UST, La Verne, Dubuque, St. John's)
2 South (TMC, W & L)
2 North (Wabash, Albion)

[Ralph Turner]

E8/NJAC  VS NWC is nice.
This is a national tournament. ( Thanks ExTartanPlayer).

[wm4]

Weird bracket.  The top two WAIC schools would meet in round 3, yet the top 2 MIAC schools will meet in round 2.