Pool C -- 2015

[jknezek]

^^
I don't think it's worth the headache to bang your head against the wall if people happen to call the regions by geographic names. 
It's likely 02 gets it, but refers the regions geographically.  And, if 50% or more teams that make up a bracket are from the same geographic region, I see no problem identifying it by the neighborhood from which the majority of teams reside.

He gets it. But lots of people don't. Or don't want to. And so it muddies up the waters when you are trying to explain it to other people. Last year UMU's bracket was:

Wheaton (north)
Benedictine (north)
Centre (South)
JCU (north)
Witt (north)
W&J (south)
Adrian (north)
UMU (north)

So was that the north bracket? Better yet, look at Linfield's bracket:

Widener (east)
Muhlenberg (east)
CNU (south)
Del Val (east)
Linfield (west)
Chapman (west)
TLU (south)
UMHB( south)

What do you call that? 3 east, 3 south, 2 west. 

[wally_wabash]

I think Mount Union will be the easternmost No. 1 seed.

Haha.  Agreed.  Unless something weird happens and Hopkins gets picked as a #1 seed.  That's about as east as you can get.  But of course Hopkins is South.  Easy to see how this is really confusing for a lot of people. 

[jknezek]

I think Mount Union will be the easternmost No. 1 seed.

+K as well

[Pat Coleman]

I think Mount Union will be the easternmost No. 1 seed.

Haha.  Agreed.  Unless something weird happens and Hopkins gets picked as a #1 seed.  That's about as east as you can get.  But of course Hopkins is South.  Easy to see how this is really confusing for a lot of people. 

To clarify, I don't think JHU will be a No. 1 seed.

[02 Warhawk]

I think Mount Union will be the easternmost No. 1 seed.

East Pat...don't give Wally and ExTar an aneurysm now. 

(I was basically trying to say the same thing)

[ExTartanPlayer]

^^
I don't think it's worth the headache to bang your head against the wall if people happen to call the regions by geographic names. 
It's likely 02 gets it, but refers the regions geographically.  And, if 50% or more teams that make up a bracket are from the same geographic region, I see no problem identifying it by the neighborhood from which the majority of teams reside.

He gets it. But lots of people don't. Or don't want to. And so it muddies up the waters when you are trying to explain it to other people. Last year UMU's bracket was:

Wheaton (north)
Benedictine (north)
Centre (South)
JCU (north)
Witt (north)
W&J (south)
Adrian (north)
UMU (north)

So was that the north bracket? Better yet, look at Linfield's bracket:

Widener (east)
Muhlenberg (east)
CNU (south)
Del Val (east)
Linfield (west)
Chapman (west)
TLU (south)
UMHB( south)

What do you call that? 3 east, 3 south, 2 west.

We should give them cool names like Legends and Leaders.

Or better yet, name them for legendary figures of D3 football.  The Kehres bracket, the Gagliardi bracket, etc.

[wally_wabash]

I think Mount Union will be the easternmost No. 1 seed.

Haha.  Agreed.  Unless something weird happens and Hopkins gets picked as a #1 seed.  That's about as east as you can get.  But of course Hopkins is South.  Easy to see how this is really confusing for a lot of people. 

To clarify, I don't think JHU will be a No. 1 seed.

Oh, I don't either.  Too many really good teams stacked up in the West region.  Hopkins is probably 6th or 7th in line for a #1 seed right now, I'd say.  They should probably be ranked #1 in their region on Wednesday though. 

[ExTartanPlayer]

I think Mount Union will be the easternmost No. 1 seed.

East Pat...don't give Wally and ExTar an aneurysm now. 

(I was basically trying to say the same thing)

Yeah, but here's the funny thing about this: even if Mount is the easternmost #1 seed (they will be), that doesn't necessarily mean they will end up grouped with a bunch of (or even any) East teams.  Look at jknezek's post with the Linfield bracket last year.  If there are only a handful of East teams in the playoffs, it's just as likely that they'll be divided among two or three different quadrants of the bracket as it is that there will be a bracket with "Mount + mostly Eastern teams" in it.

[Coolrey]

Region I, Region II, Region III, Region IV...simple. 

[smedindy]

Easy:

Adams
Norris
Patrick
Smythe

And call one side Campbell and the other Wales!

[wabndy]

Here is why. 

East region playoff teams within 500 miles of Alliance, OH:
Johns Hopkins
Cortland/Alfred/St. John Fisher
St. Lawrence (barely)/Hobart. (RPI is just outside the 500 miles)
Albright/Del. Val.
Salisbury/Wesley
Washington & Lee

East region teams not within 500 miles of Alliance:
Framingham State
Norwich
Western New England/Salve Regina

Too many travel dollars are at stake to not to bus as many east region teams into Alliance as possible so that their playoff dreams can die where so many others have died before.

[ExTartanPlayer]

Here is why. 

East region playoff teams within 500 miles of Alliance, OH:
Johns Hopkins
Cortland/Alfred/St. John Fisher
St. Lawrence (barely)/Hobart. (RPI is just outside the 500 miles)
Albright/Del. Val.
Salisbury/Wesley
Washington & Lee

East region teams not within 500 miles of Alliance:
Framingham State
Norwich
Western New England/Salve Regina

Too many travel dollars are at stake to not to bus as many east region teams into Alliance as possible so that their playoff dreams can die where so many others have died before.

This is overrated.  Reposting from above:

Widener (east)
Muhlenberg (east)
CNU (south)
Del Val (east)
Linfield (west)
Chapman (west)
TLU (south)
UMHB( south)

[wabndy]

This is overrated.  Reposting from above:

Apples to oranges.  Let me put a label on these

Atlantic East sub-bracket:
Widener (east)
Muhlenberg (east)
CNU (south)
Del Val (east)
------------------------------------
Island team sub-bracket
Linfield (west)
Chapman (west)
TLU (south)
UMHB( south)
------------------------

Ignore the regional labels and look at the map to see where the geographic clusters fall.  The committee will generally always create a west coast and Texas sub-bracket and then be sure to send the islands to play each other to knock out the extra flight.  For the cost of two flights, the island team subbracket knocks 4 flying teams down to 1 by the quarterfinal round. Last year Mount played a mostly midwest based schedule in part because you had Wesley as a legitimate #1 seed anchoring a very East Region dominated bracket. 

Wesley (East)
Hampden Sydney (South)
MIT (East)
Husson (East)
Johns Hopkins (South)
Rowan (East)
Ithaca (East)
Hobart (East)

With the Wesley loss - Mount basically takes over this bracket.

[Ralph Turner]

I think Mount Union will be the easternmost No. 1 seed.

+K 

What he said!

[wally_wabash]

The Week 10 and final update to the B/C Eliminator table.  Here is a peek at the logic we are trying to apply as we go through this week to week:

1. Two-loss teams can make the tournament as Pool Cs
2. Three-loss teams never have
3. The last-time we had a conference get three teams in, the 3rd best team was the Pool A.

And with those three main points in mind:

- Three loss teams are automatically out.
- Two-loss teams are still in, unless those teams are already behind a pair of zero or one-loss teams in their own conference.  I think we're pretty close to adhering to this absolutely, but there may be a case here and there where we've knocked out a two-loss team that isn't going accumulate other useful criteria such as high SOS or wins vs. RROs. 

Thanks again to ExTartanPlayer and Bombers798891 for working through this with me.  Teams that we believe are out of at-large contention are in red, teams that I believe are still alive are in green, and Pool B eligible teams are marked with an asterisk(*), all as of Week 8 results.  And this week I've italicized teams that were newly eliminated.

CCIW	HCAC	MIAA	NACC	NCAC	OAC
Carthage	Earlham	Hope	Cocnordia(Wis)	Allegheny	Muskingum
Augustana	Hanover	Alma	Aurora	Hiram	Marietta
North Park	Bluffton	Kalamazoo	Wis Lutheran	Wooster	Heidelberg
Millikin	Anderson	Adrian	Benedictine	Oberlin	Wilmington
North Central	Defiance	Trine	Lakeland	OWU	B-W
Elmhurst	MSJ	Olivet	CUC	Kenyon	Otterbein
Wheaton	Manchester	Albion	Rockford	Witt	Capital
IWU	Franklin			Denison	ONU
	RHIT			Wabash	Mount Union
				DePauw	John Carroll

IIAC	IND	MIAC	MWC	NWC	SCIAC	UMAC	WIAC
BVC	Finlandia*	St. Olaf	Lawrence	L&C	Redlands	IWC	Eau Claire
Dubuque	Maranatha*	Carleton	Macalester	Willamette	Chapman	Martin Luther	River Falls
Loras		Hamline	Carroll	PLU	Whittier	Greenville	La Crosse
Coe		Augsburg	Ripon	UPS	P-PC	Crown	Stout
Simpson		C-MC	Beloit	Pacific	CMS	MacMurray	SP
Luther		St. John's	Grinnell	George Fox	Laverne	Eureka	Oshkosh
Central		Bethel	Lake Forest	Whitworth	Occidental	Minn-Morris	Platteville
Wartburg		St. Thomas	IC	Linfield	Cal Lutheran	SSC	Whitewater
		Gustavus Adolphus	Cornell			Westminster
			Knox			Northwestern
			Monmouth
			St. Norbert

ASC	CC	ODAC	PAC	SAA	SCAC	USAC
LC*	McDaniel	Randolph-Macon	Grove City	Sewanee	Southwestern*	Averett
Bellhaven**	Juniata	Catholic	Thiel	Millsaps	Austin*	Ferrum
HPU*	Dickinson	E&H	Waynesburg	Hendrix	TLU*	NCWC
SRSU*	Ursinus	Bridgewater	CMU	Rhodes	Trinity*	LaGrange
McMurry***	Susquehenna	H-SC	Bethany	WashU		Greensboro
ETBU*	Muhlenberg	W&L	St. Vincent	B-SC		Huntingdon
UMHB*	Moravian	Shenandoah	Westminster	Centre		Methodist
H-SU*	Gettysburg	Guilford	Geneva	Berry		Maryville
	F&M		CWRU	Chicago
	Johns Hopkins		Thomas More
			W&J

ECFC	Empire 8	IND	LL	MAC	MASCAC	NEFC	NJAC
Mount Ida	Buffalo St.	Alfred St.**	Union	Misericordia	Worcester State	Curry	So Virginia
Anna Maria	Hartwick		St. Lawrence	Wilkes	Plymouth State	Nichols	TCNJ
Norwich	SJF		RPI	Leb Valley	Westfield State	Maine Maritime	Montclair St.
Gallaudet	Utica		USMMA	Lycoming	Bridgewater St.	Salve Regina	Salisbury
Husson	Morrisville St.		Springfield	King's	Western Conn.	MIT	WPU
Castleton	Brockport St.		WPI	FDU-F	Mass-Dartmouth	Endicott	CNU
Becker	Alfred		Hobart	Widener	Mass-Maritime	Coast Guard	Frostburg St.
SUNY-MC	Ithaca		Rochester	Del Valley	Framingham St.	Western NE	Rowan
	Cortland St.			Albright	Fitchburg State		Kean
				Stevenson			Wesley

** Provisional, ineligible for postseason
*** Reclassifying, ineligible for postseason