2015 POOL C

[Brother Flounder]

And when was the last time TWO NESCACs lost in the tourney and BOTH got bids?

2012, but I think that had to do with the fact that those two teams - Tufts and Wesleyan - both played the NESCAC finalists (who were both in the top 10 if I remember correctly) to close games in the conference tourney. Wesleyan lost to the undefeated Amherst side 1-0 in the semis, while Tufts took Williams to PKs before losing. And I think Williams was undefeated then, too, so that might have explained it.

IMHO the NESCAC will get 3......

[PaulNewman]

And when was the last time TWO NESCACs lost in the tourney and BOTH got bids?

2012, but I think that had to do with the fact that those two teams - Tufts and Wesleyan - both played the NESCAC finalists (who were both in the top 10 if I remember correctly) to close games in the conference tourney. Wesleyan lost to the undefeated Amherst side 1-0 in the semis, while Tufts took Williams to PKs before losing. And I think Williams was undefeated then, too, so that might have explained it.

I had to edit the post....I meant last time two teams lost in the QUARTERS and both got bids.

[blooter442]

I had to edit the post....I meant last time two teams lost in the QUARTERS and both got bids.

That would be a question for the record books. 

But to answer your original question - that year, three NESCACs got Pool Cs. That was the year that same year that the UAA got five, largely due to the four-way tie for first between Brandeis, Carnegie, Emory, and WashU, and then Rochester was #5. If my math is correct, the NESCAC and UAA alone took almost half of the Pool Cs!

[PaulNewman]

And if the theory that RPI is still very much alive has merit then you'd have to assume Denison also is still very much alive.

[Part_Bart]

Hobart loses 1:0 to Skidmore in semifinal.
Skidmore even weaker SOS and record than Hobart but RvR v. ranked just got better.

[Scoring Machine]

I had to edit the post....I meant last time two teams lost in the QUARTERS and both got bids.

That would be a question for the record books. 

But to answer your original question - that year, three NESCACs got Pool Cs. That was the year that same year that the UAA got five, largely due to the four-way tie for first between Brandeis, Carnegie, Emory, and WashU, and then Rochester was #5. If my math is correct, the NESCAC and UAA alone took almost half of the Pool Cs!

In the UAA's defense, unlike most leagues around the country, they are so spread out regionally, that for the most part they are hardly competing amongst themselves for Pool C's.

[lastguyoffthebench]

With Skidmore winning I like RPI even more now.   We cannot wrote off Denison or RPI until we how far they fall in the rankings tomorrow...

NCAC I think gets Kenyon AQ, OWU, DePauw (if they beat OWU)

[PaulNewman]

With Skidmore winning I like RPI even more now.   We cannot wrote off Denison or RPI until we how far they fall in the rankings tomorrow...

NCAC I think gets Kenyon AQ, OWU, DePauw (if they beat OWU)

So are you projecting that RPI is going to in, or are you also maintaining that you believe they should get in?

And if DePauw beats OWU, you think Great Lakes will have TMC, Kenyon, OWU, DePauw and CMU?

[PaulNewman]

With Skidmore winning I like RPI even more now.   We cannot wrote off Denison or RPI until we how far they fall in the rankings tomorrow...

NCAC I think gets Kenyon AQ, OWU, DePauw (if they beat OWU)

BTW, I think you're right that Skidmore winning helps RPI, but I still don't see RPI getting in, and certainly not if Skidmore beats SLU.

[lastguyoffthebench]

RPI should be in

Yes to list of GL schools.   

[PaulNewman]

I'm guessing they won't get one if they lose but Endicott is 15-1-3 now and deserves a bid.

[TheSwayzeTrain]

If RPI gets in its solely because their coach is on te NCAA rankings committee. Although the Liberty League has quite a few good teams, this isn't a UAA, NJAC or NESCAC that get 3 or 4 teams every year to the tournament. I know it's not criteria, but if you aren't good enough to play in your conference tournament, what makes you good enough for the NCAA tournament? They finished 7th in the league, that fact that people believe they should be in the tournament is laughable. You can say SoS all you want but the best teams should be the ones ranked and RPI is not the #4 team in the East. How does it make sense that they are 7th in their conference but 4th in region?

[blooter442]

In the UAA's defense, unlike most leagues around the country, they are so spread out regionally, that for the most part they are hardly competing amongst themselves for Pool C's.

Good point. I'm a supporter of a UAA team, and I'm usually more concerned with how we stand in-region than against the other UAA teams. The only thing is that if you're last or second-last in the conference it would be a bit of a head-scratcher if you received a bid but teams with better conference records didn't. Then again, there can always be anomalies that can skew a team's conference record from its record and/or perceived ability - e.g. Chicago going 6-5 out of conference last year yet 5-0-2 in conference.

[lastguyoffthebench]

Herosports has LL as 4th best Conf... Behind NESCAC UAA NJAC.  ahead of the centennial...

They are this years Dickinson, and it's just my hunch they get in.  If Oneonta St and Stockton win the AQs, their OOWP will continue to improve.   

I'll stop beating Barbaro now...

Looking forward to the rankings tomorrow

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

Herosports has LL as 4th best Conf... Behind NESCAC UAA NJAC.  ahead of the centennial...

They are this years Dickinson, and it's just my hunch they get in.  If Oneonta St and Stockton win the AQs, their OOWP will continue to improve.   

I'll stop beating Barbaro now...

Looking forward to the rankings tomorrow

But Dickinson made Centennial playoffs last year...so they are not like Dickinson. And the Hero Sports ranking means very little.