2015 POOL C

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

Team A: .868 win percentage / 2-1-1 RvR / .518 SOS
Team B: .656 win percentage / 4-3-1 RvR / .623 SOS
Team C: .614 win percentage / 5-4-1 RvR / .625 SOS
Team D: .694 win percentage / 2-1-0 RvR / .564 SOS
Team E: .842 win percengage / 1-2-0 RvR / .550 SOS
Team F: .750 win percentage / 2-2-2 RvR / .555 SOS

Rank your preference.  Which three would you take?

I would take Teams D, F, and A or B...probably B.

For me Team A SOS is too low...I would like to see a team with .540 or higher...team C winning % is poor. E has a good shot too its a tough choice but I think if you had to pick 1 which is more realistic of how the selection process would work I would take Team F out of those choices.

[Mr.Right]

Camden stands 0 chance of getting in NCAA unless they win the AQ.

NCAA will not allow an 8 loss team or 9 blemish team in the tournament with an at-large bid. It's make or break for Camden in the NJAC final and I think they can win it...but they would be stealing a bid from someone else if they do.

Might want to check the D1 brackets every year especially in the ACC..

I think he means in D3 soccer. UCLA is top 20 this year with an 8-7-1 record...D1 is different than D3 in that regard I guess.

Ahhh my bad..So now we have a different rules for different divisions in the NCAA. They use a better RPI system than the shabby D3 version but even that has its own issues. I also have not read in any of those manuals that you cannot more than a certain # of losses. It's unlikely but it also is very possible otherwise they would not have ranked them to begin with. Oswald is on the committee so maybe he got the vibe going. Notice how the more and more we talk about it it can for some people begin to look more and more like a reality than a possibility. SO with all these different resumes with each team having 1-2 solid primary criteria and a couple shaky primary criteria then it will come down to yes you guessed it HUMANS. Only teams that are well represented by their league representative on the committee will win out IMO. The best salesman for their own league will win out.

[lastguyoffthebench]

I don't know if HUMANS or computers selected this team last year, but:

2014:   Rochester #4 in East Region for 3rd Regional Ranking.    And I'm not so certain they were the last team in

8-5-3 (.595 winning percentage / 3-2-1 RvR (.583) / .628   

13-8-1 (.614 winning percentage / 5-4-1 RvR (.555) / .625 (estimate on SOS).
If Camden were to have earned ONE more win, they'd be at .659 winning percentage (same as Team B):

TUFTS: .656 win percentage / 4-3-1 RvR / .623 SOS
They got wins from the bottom feeders of the NESCAC and mid-tier NE teams, with one strong win vs Middlebury and wins vs Wesleyan and Williams... Don't want to hear that Endicott and Gordon are "strong" wins.   Why is everyone so quick to lay the carpet out for the reigning champions...

Rutgers-Camden went 5-2 this season so far vs the top 6 of the NJAC and tied an underachieving CNU squad...


The problem with playing more games I guess, is that you see the ugly loss column figure inflated.  I am a Camden supporter, but last year I was also adamant about K-zoo making it with as many blemishes that they had.   Rutgers-Camden is surely deserving of a bid.  Let the committee match em' up vs the Jumbos... Scarlet Raptors would love to head to the NE Region for a chance at the NESCAC schools!

[Mr.Right]

Well you are correct and if you institute my plan of cutting the FAT out of these regional rankings and drop 3 teams across the board in the Eastern US. Tufts RvR and others (hello: Calvin) and SOS would be weaker.  We will call Gordon and Endicott up and coming programs but Wins v Ranked should be more elite IMO. New England should have 8 ranked teams, East only 6, South Atlantic 6, Mid-Atlantic 6, etc, etc. Then if Endicott and Gordon cracked that and had their own wins v ranked that would be considered legit in my mind. The idea of these sides picking up extra "ranked wins" bothers me as it cheapens it.

[lastguyoffthebench]

The benefit of the NE Region is the fact that there are 77 teams.  It looks like the NCAA Regional Rankings allot the top 15%.

[Mr.Right]

Ok cut the fat to 10%.

[lastguyoffthebench]

Have you ever met Coach Oz, Mr.Right?  I didn't know he was on the committee...

[Ryan Harmanis]

One thing to keep in mind that I was just able to confirm - my understanding is that they use the exact same criteria for all sports - soccer, basketball, baseball, etc. all have the same formula.  So that makes things even more difficult to change - because we'd need to either change SOS and/or other metrics for all sports, or else make them individualized, which makes it that much more difficult to manage.

[Mr.Right]

Have you ever met Coach Oz, Mr.Right?  I didn't know he was on the committee...

Never met him. Any word on the live stream and gametime for tomorrow's NJAC final?

[Mr.Right]

One thing to keep in mind that I was just able to confirm - my understanding is that they use the exact same criteria for all sports - soccer, basketball, baseball, etc. all have the same formula.  So that makes things even more difficult to change - because we'd need to either change SOS and/or other metrics for all sports, or else make them individualized, which makes it that much more difficult to manage.

I do not understand why the men switched to this in 2013 and the women are waiting until 2016.

[lastguyoffthebench]

Have you ever met Coach Oz, Mr.Right?  I didn't know he was on the committee...

Never met him. Any word on the live stream and gametime for tomorrow's NJAC final?

I've heard live stream only.   These conferences should Atleast offer to set up a live feed for big games...  Pathetic that it's only live stats

[Mr.Right]

That is ridiculous. 2015. I was looking forward to that game because I figured it would be a late start under the lights.

[Mr.Right]

Kickoff 6pm and looks like MSU added the all encouraging Video option.

[lastguyoffthebench]

TMC and E-town will have two restless nights.   A shame that neither will make it.   RPI also will be sweating it out

Camden would not have made the cut.

[PaulNewman]

OK, Mr.Right, here ya go....


1)   Amherst
2)   Montclair St

3)   Haverford/Dickinson
4)   Trinity (TX)/Colorado Coll

5)     Franklin & Marshall

6)    Wheaton (Ill)
7)   Macalester
8)   Rowan
9)   Elizabethtown
10)   OWU
11)   CMU
12)   Wash U
13)   Plattsburgh
14)   Brockport

15 thru 18) – Pick 3-4 based on MIT outcome today and presumes UW-W Pool B – Middlebury, Stockton, Bowdoin if loses, Tufts, DePauw, Thomas More, Chicago, RPI

Others – Pacific Lutheran, Messiah, UW-Oshkosh, St Johns, North Park, W&L if loses, Christopher Newport,  Johns Hopkins, Rutgers-Newark, Texas-Dallas/Texas-Tyler loser, Concordia (WIS)/Dominican, Case Western, Kean, Conn College, Luther, King's, Greensboro, Hobart, Endicott, La Verne, Union, Randolph if loses, ECSU, Denison, Cortland, TCNJ, Mary Washington, Oglethorpe, Skidmore

UW-W – Pool B