Best teams from the past

[Saint of Old]

I think we are going back to 1974.

[Shooter McGavin]

Cannot help but Chime in.

From what I have heard from D3 soccer's most successful coach (6 rings) the Bethany 1994 Championship team was very legit with a whole lot of technical ability all though the squad.
I thing they get less respect than perhaps deserved because the pipeline/tradition/excellence did not continue after that team.

I also have to say that the 1998 Williams team was very Legit with some technical Jamaicans and came at a time when Williams was enjoying Camelot.
1999 Messiah team  was also a very good team.

The 1997 Wheaton Championship team was historic as well.

Teams that never won the whole thing are still very impactful and should still be mentioned in my view (1982 Brazil).
The Richard Stockton Final 4 team of 1999 laid the groundwork for the 01  team's championship.
Ditto for Messiah's 1999 team.
The 1993 Williams team did the same for the Championship team in 1995.

It does take about a decade or so to really judge an alltime team in my view.
Trinity's 2003 squad is also worthy of much praise.

I think we will all look back in time and realize that Tuffts did something very special last season.

The Elite 8 Messiah team that lost to Tufts last year is better than the Camden team that lost in the final in 2013.

messiah had the same exact squad in 2014 as they did In 2013 so that's not really saying much

Quote from: firstplaceloser on Today at 01:44:20 pm
and I have to disagree anyway. that 2013 Camden squad would've won everything in 2014. especially with messiah getting beat in the elite 8.


Commenting on the bold sections above...
It wasn't the exact same? They didn't have Josh Wood. And that Messiah team would have won the title if they didn't run into Tufts...so yes they would have beaten Camden...especially if, according to your logic, that Messiah team in 2014 was the same as 2013....which then leads me to say that the 2013 Messiah BEAT 2013 Camden and if 2014 Messiah is the same as 2013 Messiah then one would assume 2014 Messiah would also beat 2013 Camden....by your logic of course. My logic is that both 2013 and 2014 Messiah's were better than 2013 Camden.

[KnightFalcon]

Cannot help but Chime in.

From what I have heard from D3 soccer's most successful coach (6 rings) the Bethany 1994 Championship team was very legit with a whole lot of technical ability all though the squad.
I thing they get less respect than perhaps deserved because the pipeline/tradition/excellence did not continue after that team.

I also have to say that the 1998 Williams team was very Legit with some technical Jamaicans and came at a time when Williams was enjoying Camelot.
1999 Messiah team  was also a very good team.

The 1997 Wheaton Championship team was historic as well.

Teams that never won the whole thing are still very impactful and should still be mentioned in my view (1982 Brazil).
The Richard Stockton Final 4 team of 1999 laid the groundwork for the 01  team's championship.
Ditto for Messiah's 1999 team.
The 1993 Williams team did the same for the Championship team in 1995.

It does take about a decade or so to really judge an alltime team in my view.
Trinity's 2003 squad is also worthy of much praise.

I think we will all look back in time and realize that Tuffts did something very special last season.

The Elite 8 Messiah team that lost to Tufts last year is better than the Camden team that lost in the final in 2013.

messiah had the same exact squad in 2014 as they did In 2013 so that's not really saying much

Actually, Messiah lost 4 key senior starters from that 2013 team which made a big impact on that 2014 team.

[Shooter McGavin]

Cannot help but Chime in.

From what I have heard from D3 soccer's most successful coach (6 rings) the Bethany 1994 Championship team was very legit with a whole lot of technical ability all though the squad.
I thing they get less respect than perhaps deserved because the pipeline/tradition/excellence did not continue after that team.

I also have to say that the 1998 Williams team was very Legit with some technical Jamaicans and came at a time when Williams was enjoying Camelot.
1999 Messiah team  was also a very good team.

The 1997 Wheaton Championship team was historic as well.

Teams that never won the whole thing are still very impactful and should still be mentioned in my view (1982 Brazil).
The Richard Stockton Final 4 team of 1999 laid the groundwork for the 01  team's championship.
Ditto for Messiah's 1999 team.
The 1993 Williams team did the same for the Championship team in 1995.

It does take about a decade or so to really judge an alltime team in my view.
Trinity's 2003 squad is also worthy of much praise.

I think we will all look back in time and realize that Tuffts did something very special last season.

The Elite 8 Messiah team that lost to Tufts last year is better than the Camden team that lost in the final in 2013.

Wood, Meyer, and the 2 OB's correct?

messiah had the same exact squad in 2014 as they did In 2013 so that's not really saying much

Actually, Messiah lost 4 key senior starters from that 2013 team which made a big impact on that 2014 team.

[firstplaceloser]

your logic only makes sense if tufts never beat messiah. what I said was that Camden would've won the title in 2014 with messiah losing. that's my logic so go back and read what I said.

[Shooter McGavin]

your logic only makes sense if tufts never beat messiah. what I said was that Camden would've won the title in 2014 with messiah losing. that's my logic so go back and read what I said.

Right, but you can't justify that because if Messiah played Camden say in the Sweet 16 to get to Tufts then Camden wouldn't have won. And since Messiah would have beaten Camden that also means Tufts would have beaten Camden as well since they beat Messiah. I know, I know, words are hard. Must be that NJ education.

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

2014 and 2013 were both better than the 2013 Camden team. One cannot say Camden would have won since Messiah lost because we don't know where they would have fell in the bracket. I watch the mid-atlantic teams a lot...as you can tell by my name hopefully  ...and I am not a Messiah fan personally, but you have to respect the fact that they were the best team in the country the last 2 years and probably even more than the last two. This takes nothing away from Camden as they were also a phenomenal team that year. 

[firstplaceloser]

taking shots about a NJ education is just stupid. what does that have to do with soccer. Anyway, all of our arguments involve a lot of IFs. I know messiah had amazing teams in 2013 and 2014. who knew so many people ride messiah now a days.

[PaulNewman]

2014 and 2013 were both better than the 2013 Camden team. One cannot say Camden would have won since Messiah lost because we don't know where they would have fell in the bracket. I watch the mid-atlantic teams a lot...as you can tell by my name hopefully  ...and I am not a Messiah fan personally, but you have to respect the fact that they were the best team in the country the last 2 years and probably even more than the last two. This takes nothing away from Camden as they were also a phenomenal team that year.

I will always be partial to the 2013 Messiah team because of the Kenyon game (after which some Messiah players supposedly told some Kenyon kids that Kenyon would have won the title if they had gotten by Messiah).  As noted, the 2013 team also had some players like Wood, Kremers, etc that were not around for 2014.  And when talking about Camden you can't forget how good Loras was that year, and if I recall Loras was in pretty good control late, gave up a late goal, and that gave up somewhat of a fluke 60 yard free kick goal in OT.  I don't know the deep history like some of you but I would guess that 2013 Messiah was right up there with the best ever.

[Shooter McGavin]

taking shots about a NJ education is just stupid. what does that have to do with soccer. Anyway, all of our arguments involve a lot of IFs. I know messiah had amazing teams in 2013 and 2014. who knew so many people ride messiah now a days.

Doesn't have anything to do with soccer...it has to do with you not understanding anything that anyone posts to you. And you didn't know Messiah had a big following now a days? Really? They are the greatest program in D3 soccer history. Of course they will have a loyal following. I am not a Messiah fan but I am also not stupid...Messiah was better both years plain and simple. And you my intelligent NJ friend are throwing out the IFs which lead to more IFs from other people responding.

[firstplaceloser]

Messiah in 2013 was the best team but not by far. and just because they told Kenyon they would've won doesn't mean anything. I forgot messiah knows everything and whatever they say goes. and messiah in 2014 was not the best team b/c they did not win the title. and loras were a very good squad actually they always have a good squad but they can't seem to catch any luck in the final four. Loras might have beaten messiah in the final with their depth but Messiah was well rested and had no injuries. like I said before messiah in 13 was amazing I never seen a front 5:6 as good as them. but Camden was right there with them all game. and it's not Camdens fault for the "fluke" goal going in. Loras goalie may have been drunk or something because that was terrible. I believe the game would've went to PKs if that goal didn't happen and who knows what would've happened. Shooter, my brain hurts after typing all these hard words. stupid NJ education

[Shooter McGavin]

Messiah in 2013 was the best team but not by far. and just because they told Kenyon they would've won doesn't mean anything. I forgot messiah knows everything and whatever they say goes. and messiah in 2014 was not the best team b/c they did not win the title. and loras were a very good squad actually they always have a good squad but they can't seem to catch any luck in the final four. Loras might have beaten messiah in the final with their depth but Messiah was well rested and had no injuries. like I said before messiah in 13 was amazing I never seen a front 5:6 as good as them. but Camden was right there with them all game. and it's not Camdens fault for the "fluke" goal going in. Loras goalie may have been drunk or something because that was terrible. I believe the game would've went to PKs if that goal didn't happen and who knows what would've happened. Shooter, my brain hurts after typing all these hard words. stupid NJ education

LOL. Well Messiah didn't win their conference that year due to a PK shootout so edge might have gone to Camden if they would have went to PKs.

[firstplaceloser]

Shooter I meant the semi final against loras would've went to PKs if the fluke goal never went in. I think whoever made the final Camden/loras would've given messiah a run for their money and went to OT either way.

[firstplaceloser]

and shooter where exactly did you get your education from?

[Shooter McGavin]

and shooter where exactly did you get your education from?

Rowan