2016 North Region

gbpuckfan · November 07, 2016, 01:33:12 PM

Would be nice of the NCAA to realize SNC changed its logo several years ago...

KICKIN95 · November 07, 2016, 01:40:22 PM

Quote from: Medicated Pete on November 07, 2016, 01:27:07 PM
Quote from: KICKIN95 on November 07, 2016, 01:21:00 PM
Quote from: dontshootthegoose on November 07, 2016, 01:18:44 PM
DUBUQUE OVER LORAS!!!!!

That's a Christmas present if I have ever seen one!
Loras was the default #1 team in the North after AQ's and Pool B bids, how does UD make it?

Time to rethink the Iowa style of kick and run with a team that didn't have the talent that it had in previous years.

Less of an Iowa Style and more of a Loras style. I think you will see them playing a bit different next season with the talents being what they are on the squad.
The 2nd half of Saturday's game against Luther is what Loras is capable of at anytime. They are very young and very talented, but the youth showed itself on the defensive end against a team that is able to possess and pass efficiently.
It's been shown that Loras can Play Soccer..when they want to and when they do good things happen.

Wait till next year

dontshootthegoose · November 07, 2016, 01:57:04 PM

Blind Resume time according to 11/2 regional rankings:

Team 1
SOS: .581
Vs Ranked opponents: 2-4-0
Winning Percentage: .750

Team 2
SOS: .565
Vs Ranked opponents: 1-2-1
Winning Percentage: .684

Team 3
SOS: .536
Vs Ranked Opponents: 1-2-0
Winning Percentage: .765

Team 4
SOS: .524
VS Ranked Opponents: 0-2-2
Winning Percentage: .794

Team 5
SOS: .575
VS Ranked Opponents: 2-2-0
Winning Percentage: .625

gbpuckfan · November 07, 2016, 02:45:25 PM

Quote from: dontshootthegoose on November 07, 2016, 01:57:04 PM
Blind Resume time according to 11/2 regional rankings:

Team 1
SOS: .581
Vs Ranked opponents: 2-4-0
Winning Percentage: .750

Team 2
SOS: .565
Vs Ranked opponents: 1-2-1
Winning Percentage: .684

Team 3
SOS: .536
Vs Ranked Opponents: 1-2-0
Winning Percentage: .765

Team 4
SOS: .524
VS Ranked Opponents: 0-2-2
Winning Percentage: .794

Team 5
SOS: .575
VS Ranked Opponents: 2-2-0
Winning Percentage: .625

I would rank these teams: 1-5-3-2-4

and I have no vested interest...

dontshootthegoose · November 07, 2016, 02:56:51 PM

Dubuque vs Westminster- 3-1 Dubuque, Westminster capitalizes on a very weak conference and may be one of the weakest teams in the tournament.

UWW and Hanover- Don't know much about Hanover due to them not playing in either the North or Central. They did smack Carthage 4-1 at the beginning of the year and won their conference. UWW did align with Rose-Hulman last year and won in PK's. I'm expecting a similar game. Surprised UWW was given this tough off a test with how high they were ranked. 2-1 UWW

St. Thomas and St. Scholastica- St. Thomas will win easily 2-0. I think Scholastica is highly overrated and St. Thomas has a tremendous defense.

Luther and Norberts- I think Luther should steal this one pretty handily. 3-0 Luther.

WarhawkFan · November 07, 2016, 03:28:16 PM

Devil's advocate: If you're deciding between 2 teams (presumably Loras and Dubuque), who have similar resumes (Loras with a higher SOS but worse RvR), you're probably going to go with the team that won during the in season matchup. Head-to-Head sunk Loras, simple as that.

dontshootthegoose · November 07, 2016, 03:51:54 PM

But my question is, having a worse RvR than an other team really a bad thing? So what we are saying is that you lose to more 'good' teams than another team....

Loras' losses: Norbs, at Carthage, at Dubuque, at UWW and Luther (in the conference championship) All national tournament teams!

Dubuque's losses: at North Park, Simpson, Wartburg, Platteville, Luther. 1 National tournament team!

So one head-to-head game on the road with a won goal loss decides a teams fate; meanwhile you have a better SOS (by far), you at least made it to your conference championship, your only losses came to teams in the national tournament, oh and you were in the national championship before (which obviously isn't criteria that you should base your assumptions off of, but still)

Wisco21 · November 07, 2016, 04:45:31 PM

Classic, NCAA committee always keeping us on our toes. Feel for Loras and Macalester, but life goes on. Congrats to Dubuque for the 1st NCAA Tournament appearance in the program's history.

Looking further down the road, which team survives this pod and makes it to the Final 4? Would have to imagine this is the weakest of the four groups, however I have no idea of the caliber of teams outside the North and Central regions. UChicago would be the obvious favorite (even to win the National Championship), but stranger things have happened.

WarhawkFan · November 07, 2016, 06:55:09 PM

Quote from: dontshootthegoose on November 07, 2016, 03:51:54 PM
But my question is, having a worse RvR than an other team really a bad thing? So what we are saying is that you lose to more 'good' teams than another team....

Loras' losses: Norbs, at Carthage, at Dubuque, at UWW and Luther (in the conference championship) All national tournament teams!

Dubuque's losses: at North Park, Simpson, Wartburg, Platteville, Luther. 1 National tournament team!

So one head-to-head game on the road with a won goal loss decides a teams fate; meanwhile you have a better SOS (by far), you at least made it to your conference championship, your only losses came to teams in the national tournament, oh and you were in the national championship before (which obviously isn't criteria that you should base your assumptions off of, but still)

Can't say for sure, but it may be that the committee sees RvR as a signal for whether your team can compete with tournament teams. Unfortunately for Loras it doesn't seem like they take into account the fact that all those were one goal losses.

Either way I'm sure there would have been controversy as Dubuque would be upset if Loras got in over them considering the head-to-head result.

Quote from: Wisco21 on November 07, 2016, 04:45:31 PM
Classic, NCAA committee always keeping us on our toes. Feel for Loras and Macalester, but life goes on. Congrats to Dubuque for the 1st NCAA Tournament appearance in the program's history.

Looking further down the road, which team survives this pod and makes it to the Final 4? Would have to imagine this is the weakest of the four groups, however I have no idea of the caliber of teams outside the North and Central regions. UChicago would be the obvious favorite (even to win the National Championship), but stranger things have happened.

Hard to pick anybody against UChicago out of this pod. I've watched about 5 of their games this year (all against tournament opponents) and they seem like the real deal. I can't remember the last time somebody had their credentials (16-0-2, 8-0-1 RvR, SOS .644) going into the tournament!

With Dubuque struggling down the stretch, and Westminster not even having one of their better years (getting in only because of a weak conference), UChicago should have a cakewalk through the first weekend. If WashU makes it through that could be a good rematch game as they just drew this week.

Carthage had a couple hiccups early (including a 4-1 loss to Hanover), but since have been more consistent than we've seen over the past years. They're a dangerous side, especially on their home turf. If I had to choose I'd say they'll beat Benedictine and pull the double over UWW (who they beat at UWW early this year). UWW is on a roll so I see them taking Hanover in a game reminiscent of last years bout with Rose-Hulman, but they tend to struggle against Carthage.

St. Thomas doesn't give up goals, and after seeing Luther's near meltdown against Loras I find it hard to see them getting/holding onto a lead against the Tommies (assuming they don't get taken down by St. Norbert in the first game). I could see St. Thomas making a deep run riding their defense to close wins.

dontshootthegoose · November 16, 2016, 10:43:23 AM

St. Thomas is the lone survivor of the North.

What does this say to you?

Was the North having a down year, relative to years past?

d3fan1 · November 20, 2016, 06:18:52 PM

St. Thomas in the final four. Congrats. I would love to see a St. Thomas-Calvin final.

TommieFan111 · November 21, 2016, 09:36:45 AM

Quote from: d3fan1 on November 20, 2016, 06:18:52 PM
St. Thomas in the final four. Congrats. I would love to see a St. Thomas-Calvin final.

Thanks! I would too. I may be biased, but I think that's what it'll be. St. Thomas is just not letting anyone put them down, huge come back wins.

d3fan1 · November 21, 2016, 09:59:23 AM

I have a son who played for Calvin in their first National Championship run in 2009 when they lost to Messiah, so I am biased toward Calvin. My other son played at Central College in Iowa though and played against St. Thomas a few times, so I would love to see them do well also. In fact both were recruited by St. Thomas and we made a visit to the campus. It is a beautiful campus!

TommieFan111 · November 21, 2016, 10:13:05 AM

Quote from: d3fan1 on November 21, 2016, 09:59:23 AM
I have a son who played for Calvin in their first National Championship run in 2009 when they lost to Messiah, so I am biased toward Calvin. My other son played at Central College in Iowa though and played against St. Thomas a few times, so I would love to see them do well also. In fact both were recruited by St. Thomas and we made a visit to the campus. It is a beautiful campus!

Thanks! Loving the support for the North region

It is a beautiful campus, and Jon Lowery has done an excellent job improving the men's soccer program. No matter what, should be a great final four.