Pool C in 2016

[HansenRatings]

So we're all rooting for Husson and Huntingdon to take flights to UMHB/Linfield in the second round?

[wally_wabash]

Do the committees factor in possible RRO from other regions before the first ranking (e.g. Franklin's win over Thomas More) or do they wait until after the first rankings to know for sure then factor it in on the 2nd rankings?

It's the great annual unanswered question.  I have no idea and I don't believe we've ever received an answer from anybody who knows.  While the North committee may not know where Thomas More is ranked in the South, surely they could pretty safely assume that Thomas More was going to be ranked and evaluate accordingly, right? 

I would agree with Hansen. I wonder if the order went uwo, sju, hsu, Wheaton, case (if they stay undefeated), then the six round would get interesting if JCU, uwp, muhl, and Hobart are on the board. Would like to see what JCU sos would go to if they loss to mount. Since we know that a loss is a loss does not matter to who or how close

I think there's a chance that John Carroll could stay put as the second in line from the North region if they play a close game and lose to Mount Union.  That feels like the way this is set up at this point.  JCU's SOS is bad, they have no good wins, and their lone result against a ranked opponent is a noncompetitive 19-point loss to Oshkosh.  The more I dig into this JCU business, the more I think the North committee really got this wrong.  Are they cashing in benefit of the doubt capital by being the second place OAC team?  St. John's is kind of doing the same thing in the MIAC, but the OAC and the MIAC are two completely different things this year (this has been the case for a number of years now, but especially this year).  Are they getting actual credit just for having shown up to a game against Oshkosh?  That seems odd given that they weren't competitive in that game.  I'm having a hard time figuring out the JCU ranking tonight.

Are we sure the RACs are even considering possible RROs from their own region in the first ranking?  It's not the 2nd loss that will keep JCU out, it's the lack of a third OAC team in the rankings.  I wouldn't be surprised to see them get passed next week.

That's an interesting thought.  Just seems weird that these first set of rankings are being released without considering all of the criteria.  Do the second week's rankings reference the previous week's rankings to identify RROs? 

I'm still not sure why it's hard to have each regional committee create a list of 10 teams, share them with the other groups, make appropriate adjustments, then publish.  There really aren't going to be a whole lot of instances where the other regional rankings have impact, and most that do are obvious (UMHB/Linfield, Franklin/Thomas More, SJF/Olivet). 

[Ralph Turner]

Not going to break it down as nicely as you have but same thing for the NWC in the past 5 years Linfield has rematches a conference foe in the first round of the playoffs 3 times and rematched their SCIAC preseason foe the other two years.  It gets old...no?

Yes, Cat, it does get monotonous.

I think that the more insidious aspect is when you look at the outcomes in a tabulated form like  total conference wins.

IMHO, the NWC vs SCIAC games have been pairings of a #1, 2, or 3 seed versus a #5,6, or 7 seed in the West.

When the ASC teams have gone against one another, it has been a #1, 2 or 3 seed going against a #3,4 or 5 seed in the South region.

When NWC and ASC teams (essentially Linfield versus UMHB) have met, IMHO, it has clearly been the toughest draw at that round of the playoffs. 

[MonroviaCat]

Not going to break it down as nicely as you have but same thing for the NWC in the past 5 years Linfield has rematches a conference foe in the first round of the playoffs 3 times and rematched their SCIAC preseason foe the other two years.  It gets old...no?

Yes, Cat, it does get monotonous.

I think that the more insidious aspect is when you look at the outcomes in a tabulated form like  total conference wins.

IMHO, the NWC vs SCIAC games have been pairings of a #1, 2, or 3 seed versus a #5,6, or 7 seed in the West.

When the ASC teams have gone against one another, it has been a #1, 2 or 3 seed going against a #3,4 or 5 seed in the South region.

When NWC and ASC teams (essentially Linfield versus UMHB) have met, IMHO, it has clearly been the toughest draw at that round of the playoffs.

Yep----life on the Islands---it's not all sun and umbrella drinks 

[USee]

So it's on record, here are the committee members for each RAC (nationally commitee is made up of the chair and co-chair of  each RAC)


EAST REGION
Erick Hart, co-chair Brockport Empire 8
Jack McKiernan, co-chair Kean NJAC (also chair of national committee)
Tony Volpone, Castleton, ECFC
Blaise Faggioano, Utica, Empire 8
Chris Robertson, Worcester Polytechnic, Liberty League
Jim Seavey, Mass-Maritime, MASCAC
Dan Garrett, Kean, NJAC
Chris Colvin, Nichols, New England Football
Ed Hottle, Stevenson, Middle Atlantic

NORTH REGION
Kris Diaz, co-chair, Baldwin Wallace, OAC
Chris Martin, co-chair, CCIW commisioner, CCIW
Michael Yeager, Carthage, CCIW
Denny Dorrel, Bluffton, Heartland
Greg Pscodna, Alma, Michigan Intercol.
Jack Hatem, Denison, North Coast
Dennis Miller, Wisconsin Lutheran, Northern Athletics
Tim Doup, Otterbein, OAC

SOUTH REGION
Darla Kirby, co-chair, Mary Hardin-Baylor, American Southwest
Jack Leipheimer, co-chair, Thiel, USA South
Jesse Burleson, Hardin-Simmons, American Southwest
Mike Donnelly, Muhlenberg, Centennial
JJ Nekoloff, Old Dominion commisioner, Old Dominion
Danny Padron Texas Lutheran Pool B (Southern Collegiate)
Mike Sirianni, Wash. & Jefferson, Presidents' AC
Tony Kunczewski, Berry, Southern Athletic
Cleive Adams, Averett, USA South

WEST REGION
James Catanzaro, co-chair, Lake Forest, Midwest
Rod Sandberg, co-chair, Whitworth, Northwest
Jay Anderson, Buena Vista, Iowa Intercollegiate
Glen Caruso, St. Thomas (MN), Minnesota Intercol.
Damon Tomeo, Knox, Midwest
Chris Casey, George Fox, Northwest
Jaime Hoffman, Occidental, SCIAC
Clayt Birmingham, Wisconsin-Stout, Wisconsin Intercollegiate
John Auer, Crown Upper, Midwest

[art76]

Yep----life on the Islands---it's not all sun and umbrella drinks 

Made me chuckle - thanx!

[art76]

You can see everything on a map here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1aKFzFXOJRlE-df4cJuW6b2JBDIw&usp=sharing

Thanx for this link - very well done! I'm guessing you plan to keep it updated as teams are eliminated - I'm hoping so.

[E.115]

You can see everything on a map here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1aKFzFXOJRlE-df4cJuW6b2JBDIw&usp=sharing

Thanx for this link - very well done! I'm guessing you plan to keep it updated as teams are eliminated - I'm hoping so.

WOW, thanks for creating!  Very cool.

[wesleydad]

With Bridgewater St winning the MASCAC there are now 2 teams within 500 miles of Husson.  It will be interesting to see which team, Bridgewater St or WNEW gets to play them.  I also hope like most Texas folk do that they do not have UMHB and HSU play in the first round.

[AUKaz00]

And if St. Lawrence gets a Pool C, then that would make 3 within 500 miles of Bangor.

[HansenRatings]

Another potential island team is Huntingdon. If Wash U clinches the SAA Pool A bid, Huntindon will have NO ONE within 500 miles:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1aKFzFXOJRlE-df4cJuW6b2JBDIw&usp=sharing

If this happens, and with the NWC and SCIAC both completely isolated also, maybe the committee switches things up a bit and doesn't send Redlands to Linfield in the first round.

[MonroviaCat]

Another potential island team is Huntingdon. If Wash U clinches the SAA Pool A bid, Huntindon will have NO ONE within 500 miles:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1aKFzFXOJRlE-df4cJuW6b2JBDIw&usp=sharing

If this happens, and with the NWC and SCIAC both completely isolated also, maybe the committee switches things up a bit and doesn't send Redlands to Linfield in the first round.

probably not thought---the winner of the NWC/SCIAC match will have to fly in the 2nd round now matter what....but they could send Huntington somewhere that, if they lost, the second round matchup could be done without a flight...maybe?

[HansenRatings]

If Wash U wins the SAA, every team in the field would be more than 500 miles from Huntingdon

[wally_wabash]

Another potential island team is Huntingdon. If Wash U clinches the SAA Pool A bid, Huntindon will have NO ONE within 500 miles:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1aKFzFXOJRlE-df4cJuW6b2JBDIw&usp=sharing

If this happens, and with the NWC and SCIAC both completely isolated also, maybe the committee switches things up a bit and doesn't send Redlands to Linfield in the first round.

They definitely could do that.  Sadly, it won't prevent the ASC rematch though. 

[MonroviaCat]

If Wash U wins the SAA, every team in the field would be more than 500 miles from Huntingdon

What I was saying was that they could fly Huntington somewhere that, if Huntington lost, the next round matchup would not require a flight.  The case would not be the same if they Sent Huntington to Linfield for example---either way--the winner would require a flight to/from them.