2017 NCAA Tournament

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

No live stats/video link for Rochester v Whitman?

It'll be there.  I'm pretty sure Dave is still there to call the game.

I've never added those before, but I tried just now.  I think they're correct.  I know the video one is right.

There will be video and live stats... otherwise, I am here in Marietta, Ohio for absolutely no reason. LOL

Well, if there weren't, you'd still see a great game.

Fair point... tonight's match up has got my brain spinning. Too radically different approaches... though ironically, Rochester coached by a man who played "The System" at Grinnell so is familiar with up-tempo, but uses more of a Princeton offense. Incredible.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

No live stats/video link for Rochester v Whitman?

It'll be there.  I'm pretty sure Dave is still there to call the game.

I've never added those before, but I tried just now.  I think they're correct.  I know the video one is right.

There will be video and live stats... otherwise, I am here in Marietta, Ohio for absolutely no reason. LOL

Well, if there weren't, you'd still see a great game.

Fair point... tonight's match up has got my brain spinning. Too radically different approaches... though ironically, Rochester coached by a man who played "The System" at Grinnell so is familiar with up-tempo, but uses more of a Princeton offense. Incredible.

I see Grinnell all over the Rochester offense.  They don't necessarily do the threes and layups thing, but the cuts and movement is very reminiscent of some of the GC offense.  The System, on offense, is all about getting people open; you don't necessarily have to do it every six seconds, but the principles remain.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Eh... I don't see Grinnell in their system to be honest. Yes, they shoot a lot of threes, but in the flow of the offense with a ton of back-door cuts. They want those Princeton-style items to work from what I have seen. That said, not a lot of mid-range jumpers. I heard VanderWal talk about knowing it was close or deep... nothing else.

Though, gives me something to chat with Luke with prior to the game to make sure I do understand what I am watching. I love picking coaches' brains about this stuff.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Eh... I don't see Grinnell in their system to be honest. Yes, they shoot a lot of threes, but in the flow of the offense with a ton of back-door cuts. They want those Princeton-style items to work from what I have seen. That said, not a lot of mid-range jumpers. I heard VanderWal talk about knowing it was close or deep... nothing else.

Though, gives me something to chat with Luke with prior to the game to make sure I do understand what I am watching. I love picking coaches' brains about this stuff.

I just mean the way they get open - screens and cuts - I suspect he'll tell you some of that is from Grinnell.  The offensive movement works regardless of the speed you're playing.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Eh... I don't see Grinnell in their system to be honest. Yes, they shoot a lot of threes, but in the flow of the offense with a ton of back-door cuts. They want those Princeton-style items to work from what I have seen. That said, not a lot of mid-range jumpers. I heard VanderWal talk about knowing it was close or deep... nothing else.

Though, gives me something to chat with Luke with prior to the game to make sure I do understand what I am watching. I love picking coaches' brains about this stuff.

I just mean the way they get open - screens and cuts - I suspect he'll tell you some of that is from Grinnell.  The offensive movement works regardless of the speed you're playing.

Most coaches I talk to describe it as Princeton-style. Maybe not as slow and methodical, but watching it really feels like Princeton-style with their cuts and back-door cuts.

[Bucket]

Eh... I don't see Grinnell in their system to be honest. Yes, they shoot a lot of threes, but in the flow of the offense with a ton of back-door cuts. They want those Princeton-style items to work from what I have seen. That said, not a lot of mid-range jumpers. I heard VanderWal talk about knowing it was close or deep... nothing else.

Though, gives me something to chat with Luke with prior to the game to make sure I do understand what I am watching. I love picking coaches' brains about this stuff.

I just mean the way they get open - screens and cuts - I suspect he'll tell you some of that is from Grinnell.  The offensive movement works regardless of the speed you're playing.

Most coaches I talk to describe it as Princeton-style. Maybe not as slow and methodical, but watching it really feels like Princeton-style with their cuts and back-door cuts.

That's exactly right; it's a Princeton variant. John Beilien runs it at Michigan, Mike Maker ran it at Williams, and now Kevin App has the Ephs running it to near perfection.

[Gregory Sager]

Massey sez:

Augustana 72, Hanover 69 (AC 62%, HC 38%)
Whitman 81, Rochester 76 (WC 68%, UR 32%)
@ Babson 83, Keene State 73 (BC 84%, KSC 16%)
@ Middlebury 83, Williams 75 (MC 78%, WC 22%)

[Mr. Ypsi]

Williams downs host Middlebury, 79-75.

[Gregory Sager]

Augustana 77, Hanover 64

Williams 79, Middlebury 75

Babson 102, Keene State 79

Whitman 91, Rochester 87

[Mr. Ypsi]

Whitman 91, Rochester 87.

So the national semis are Augie v. Williams, and Babson v. Whitman.

[7express]

I know its a 1 game playoff, so any of the 4 left can win it, but it looks like to me Babson/Whitman is the defacto "National Championship" game.

Maybe Babson/Whitman beat each other up in double OT while the other game is a 20 point rout that can take it easy (and that will likely be the earlier game on Friday meaning more rest too), but that's about the only way I can see Williams/Augie winning it.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I know its a 1 game playoff, so any of the 4 left can win it, but it looks like to me Babson/Whitman is the defacto "National Championship" game.

Maybe Babson/Whitman beat each other up in double OT while the other game is a 20 point rout that can take it easy (and that will likely be the earlier game on Friday meaning more rest too), but that's about the only way I can see Williams/Augie winning it.

Whitman - Babson at 5pm on Friday; Williams - Augustana at 7:30.

[nescac1]

7express, I'm sure Eph and Augie fans will happily encourage those sentiments.  Always better to be underrated than overrated!

[Gregory Sager]

I don't see a de facto anything in this Final Four. I think it's wide open.

[Mr. Ypsi]

7express, I'm sure Eph and Augie fans will happily encourage those sentiments.  Always better to be underrated than overrated!

And considering 7express's 'success' in the national pickems contest this season, I'd say this is a good omen for the winner of the 7:30 game!

I'd have to agree with 7 that the 5:00 game appears on paper to have the two stronger teams, but the cliche that games aren't played on paper still applies.