2017 Season - National Perspective

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blooter442

To all who celebrate Christmas and/or enjoy the EPL, enjoy this belated gift. 😂🤣 (Probably belongs under the World/Euro forum, but I'm on my phone and am too lazy to go back.) https://youtu.be/SpKUEJOkWMg

Mr.Right

Quote from: blooter442 on December 30, 2017, 06:00:17 PM
To all who celebrate Christmas and/or enjoy the EPL, enjoy this belated gift. 😂🤣 (Probably belongs under the World/Euro forum, but I'm on my phone and am too lazy to go back.) https://youtu.be/SpKUEJOkWMg

This is hilarious. The Stevie Bruce one was the best...

blooter442

Quote from: Mr.Right on January 03, 2018, 01:48:26 PM
This is hilarious. The Stevie Bruce one was the best...

That was a good one, I think the Harry Redknapp was my favorite -- he is such a character.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: Mr.Right on December 23, 2017, 02:09:42 PM
This makes me laugh...You are way to sensitive. You are getting aggressive with me for one reason and one reason only because I criticized your call of the NCAA Semi Final and Final games. All I said was that is was obvious you were not fully prepared and I was not the only one to comment on it. It is not a big deal but at the time I thought it was a disservice to the players and teams involved. Anyway, I would never harass a voter on why and how they voted. I just really do not care about rankings that much and in my 3000 or so posts I bet I have talked about rankings maybe 20 times. Now though I will certainly follow it much more closely. If D3Soccer.com cannot give us a list of where or what region the voters are from than these rankings should be monitored and scrutinized much more closely. I will be sure to start next season.

Welp... took me awhile to get back here due to my schedule, but sadly I did.

Honestly, I never saw you criticize my preparations for the final four. In fact, this is the first time I have read those comments and I both laugh and am a little irked.

First off, I over prepare for broadcasts. You can ask anyone who works with me or seems me prep. I probably do too much work. I am not going to waste my time explaining my prep work, but you can certainly ask the SIDs and others at the schools involved if I prepared or not and you are welcome to ask my colleague who saw the work in front of me.

Did I screw up some names. Damn right I did. Pisses me off to no end and it will be something that sticks with me for years to come. I am my own worst critic and when I make the smallest of mistakes that many don't even notice, I rip myself a part for it.

I am sorry you think I did a disservice to the players and teams involved, but I assure you that is not the comments I received from those and many others involved.

As for your scrutiny of the polls, sad to hear you think they need to be monitored and scrutinized more closely. I know people do their best to vote accordingly and to have someone feel they need to call out mistakes is disappointing. Is it perfect? Heck, no. It never is even at the top levels of DI. I, for one, post my ballot publicly in basketball because I felt it necessary due to the amount of time I dedicate to talking about the top teams and the number of questions I receive. However, I am a much more public face than others and I wouldn't want them feeling they were being unfairly monitored in their voting. That's for the editors of the websites to do.

That said, those voters probably don't really care what you think. I have to keep that in mind.

And with that... back to basketball.
Host of Hoopsville. USBWA Executive Board member. Broadcast Director for D3sports.com. Broadcaster for NCAA.com & several colleges. PA Announcer for Gophers & Brigade. Follow me on Twitter: @davemchugh or @d3hoopsville.

irapthor

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2018, 10:51:00 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 23, 2017, 02:09:42 PM
This makes me laugh...You are way to sensitive. You are getting aggressive with me for one reason and one reason only because I criticized your call of the NCAA Semi Final and Final games. All I said was that is was obvious you were not fully prepared and I was not the only one to comment on it. It is not a big deal but at the time I thought it was a disservice to the players and teams involved. Anyway, I would never harass a voter on why and how they voted. I just really do not care about rankings that much and in my 3000 or so posts I bet I have talked about rankings maybe 20 times. Now though I will certainly follow it much more closely. If D3Soccer.com cannot give us a list of where or what region the voters are from than these rankings should be monitored and scrutinized much more closely. I will be sure to start next season.

Welp... took me awhile to get back here due to my schedule, but sadly I did.

Honestly, I never saw you criticize my preparations for the final four. In fact, this is the first time I have read those comments and I both laugh and am a little irked.

First off, I over prepare for broadcasts. You can ask anyone who works with me or seems me prep. I probably do too much work. I am not going to waste my time explaining my prep work, but you can certainly ask the SIDs and others at the schools involved if I prepared or not and you are welcome to ask my colleague who saw the work in front of me.

Did I screw up some names. Damn right I did. Pisses me off to no end and it will be something that sticks with me for years to come. I am my own worst critic and when I make the smallest of mistakes that many don't even notice, I rip myself a part for it.

I am sorry you think I did a disservice to the players and teams involved, but I assure you that is not the comments I received from those and many others involved.

As for your scrutiny of the polls, sad to hear you think they need to be monitored and scrutinized more closely. I know people do their best to vote accordingly and to have someone feel they need to call out mistakes is disappointing. Is it perfect? Heck, no. It never is even at the top levels of DI. I, for one, post my ballot publicly in basketball because I felt it necessary due to the amount of time I dedicate to talking about the top teams and the number of questions I receive. However, I am a much more public face than others and I wouldn't want them feeling they were being unfairly monitored in their voting. That's for the editors of the websites to do.

That said, those voters probably don't really care what you think. I have to keep that in mind.

And with that... back to basketball.

Mr. Right, can you explain in what way Dave was not prepared?

I can tell you, from working with him at the last two championships, he's extremely prepared. I have copies of the broadcast cards to prove it.

We do a ton behind the scenes to prepare. In the week before the championship, I spent hours on the phone with more than half the coaches in the semifinals (not every coach was available so I couldn't get everyone).

Every broadcaster prepares differently, but I thought Dave was very prepared. And he knows DIII better than almost anyone, which goes a long way.
Ira Thor
Award-winning former 20-year SID and Assistant AD at New Jersey City University. Current Chief Communications Officer. NY/NJ and national professional and collegiate PA announcer, PBP announcer and commentator. D3hoops.com Top voter since 2002......Howell Township (NJ) Board of Education...Husband/father of 3. Hasbeen soccer goalkeeper.

blooter442

2017 D3soccer.com Men's All-Americans

FIRST TEAM
Pos.   Player   Year   School
F   Max Lopez *   Jr.   Chicago
F   Fabio De Sousa   So.   Rutgers-Newark
F   Matthew Koh   Jr.   Chicago
M   Shae Bottum   Sr.   St. Thomas
M   Jesse Marinaro   Sr.   John Carroll
M   Josh Ocel **   Sr.   Brandeis
M   Tyler Kulcsar   Sr.   Tufts
D   Trent Vegter *   Jr.   Calvin
D   Conor Coleman   Sr.   Tufts
D   Dakota Rosenberg *   Sr.   Messiah
GK   Bryan See   Sr.   Johns Hopkins

SECOND TEAM
Pos.   Player   Year   School
F   Patrick Santini   Sr.   Gettysburg
F   Colby Thomas   Sr.   Messiah
M   Jacob Witte   Jr.   Calvin
M   Dayo Adeosun   So.   Chicago
M   Matias Warp   So.   North Park
M   Alberto Carmona   Jr.   Kenyon
D   Mike Swiercz   Sr.   Johns Hopkins
D   Bret Lowry   Jr.   Kenyon
D   Sainclair Tueno   Jr.   Lycoming
D   Riley Bubb   Sr.   Bowdoin
GK   Blake Mullen   Jr.   St. Joseph's (Maine)

THIRD TEAM
Pos.   Player   Year   School
F   Nick West   Jr.   Messiah
F   Shane Doherty   Jr.   Rowan
M   Jimmy Grace   Sr.   Chris. Newport
M   Cory Santangelo   Sr.   Oneonta State
M   Nicco Capotosto *   Jr.   Chicago
D   Dalton Gaumer   Jr.   St. Joseph's (Maine)
D   Matt Hinds   Sr.   Calvin
D   Jaden Lunger   Sr.   Otterbein
D   Caleb Vandergriff   Jr.   Mary Hardin-Baylor
D   Devonte Black   Sr.   Buffalo State
GK   Ben Woodhouse   Sr.   Brandeis

* previous D3soccer.com All-America honors

Forward of the Year: Lopez
Midfielder of the Year: Bottum
Defender of the Year: Vegter
Goalkeeper of the Year: See

2017 MEN'S COACH OF THE YEAR
John Born (20-2-0) - North Park - 2017 National Runner-up

Gregory Sager

Congrats to Matias Warp, and especially to COY John Born, of NPU! Well deserved!
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

Mr.Right

Quote from: irapthor on January 12, 2018, 10:48:28 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2018, 10:51:00 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 23, 2017, 02:09:42 PM
This makes me laugh...You are way to sensitive. You are getting aggressive with me for one reason and one reason only because I criticized your call of the NCAA Semi Final and Final games. All I said was that is was obvious you were not fully prepared and I was not the only one to comment on it. It is not a big deal but at the time I thought it was a disservice to the players and teams involved. Anyway, I would never harass a voter on why and how they voted. I just really do not care about rankings that much and in my 3000 or so posts I bet I have talked about rankings maybe 20 times. Now though I will certainly follow it much more closely. If D3Soccer.com cannot give us a list of where or what region the voters are from than these rankings should be monitored and scrutinized much more closely. I will be sure to start next season.

Welp... took me awhile to get back here due to my schedule, but sadly I did.

Honestly, I never saw you criticize my preparations for the final four. In fact, this is the first time I have read those comments and I both laugh and am a little irked.

First off, I over prepare for broadcasts. You can ask anyone who works with me or seems me prep. I probably do too much work. I am not going to waste my time explaining my prep work, but you can certainly ask the SIDs and others at the schools involved if I prepared or not and you are welcome to ask my colleague who saw the work in front of me.

Did I screw up some names. Damn right I did. Pisses me off to no end and it will be something that sticks with me for years to come. I am my own worst critic and when I make the smallest of mistakes that many don't even notice, I rip myself a part for it.

I am sorry you think I did a disservice to the players and teams involved, but I assure you that is not the comments I received from those and many others involved.

As for your scrutiny of the polls, sad to hear you think they need to be monitored and scrutinized more closely. I know people do their best to vote accordingly and to have someone feel they need to call out mistakes is disappointing. Is it perfect? Heck, no. It never is even at the top levels of DI. I, for one, post my ballot publicly in basketball because I felt it necessary due to the amount of time I dedicate to talking about the top teams and the number of questions I receive. However, I am a much more public face than others and I wouldn't want them feeling they were being unfairly monitored in their voting. That's for the editors of the websites to do.

That said, those voters probably don't really care what you think. I have to keep that in mind.

And with that... back to basketball.

Mr. Right, can you explain in what way Dave was not prepared?

I can tell you, from working with him at the last two championships, he's extremely prepared. I have copies of the broadcast cards to prove it.

We do a ton behind the scenes to prepare. In the week before the championship, I spent hours on the phone with more than half the coaches in the semifinals (not every coach was available so I couldn't get everyone).

Every broadcaster prepares differently, but I thought Dave was very prepared. And he knows DIII better than almost anyone, which goes a long way.



Well I did not go to the Newhouse School of Broadcasting up at Syracuse BUT I would think the most important thing for a Play by Play guy would be to get every player that he thinks will start a game or enter a game as a sub into his head with their #.... Memorized...Memorized to the point I could recite it to my uninterested family at Thanksgiving over a fake game in my head. If the family puts up a fight and demands that he stop then maybe they get Tofurky instead of the real bird. That should be prepared beforehand as well. I should be able to spit name and number out before I even arrive at the Final 4. That to me would be the first check off my list if I was preparing for a game. You know the four teams 2 WEEKS IN ADVANCE. It is only 4 teams and maybe 15-16 kids a team. 60 Names and #'s. Not difficult..Just like memorizing Names and Dates in 10th Grade American History. I do not care if he had 50 Note Cards in front of him or 100 if he keeps naming the wrong player for the wrong team and doing it more than once without correcting it most of the time than the number of note cards does not matter. That to me is being unprepared and that is what I meant by it. I am watching 3 Soccer Games over 2 Days so I REALLY do not care if said person knows the most about D3 Sports and Schools. I want 2 things in my Soccer Play by Play Guy....1. Accurate names and #'s and 2. A serious knowledge of soccer. Thats all I ask....Part Time NSN guys do this every weekend very easily..He seems to be ok with the game but was unprepared with the names and #'s. Like I said in my first post it was not really a big deal but kind of like a slap in the face or a disservice was the wording I used to the players and teams involved and their families watching back home or whatever. It kind of felt like ehhhh its D3 Soccer and I am a Basketball guy that knows enough about soccer to wing it and kind of memorize last minute...Kind of like that kid you see in your class 2 hours before a test cramming and complaining to everyone who walks by him in the library that he is going to fail and has his head in his half ass notes. Just came across like that whether accurate or not.

The color guy i really had no complaints but a little more tactical analysis would be nice during the game. If the color guy does not attempt that during a game that tells me he is not completely comfortable with the game at more than a working knowledge. I want him to tell me what Team A is doing and why and what Team B plans on doing to counter it. If he talked to these coaches FOR HOURS in the weeks before the game than certainly he got into what the game plan was besides just getting individual strengths and weaknesses. If he even got that. Now if the Coach will not give him that information I would request at least a copy of a recent game from the SID to get my own feel for what the team might try to do. However, if the analyst is not getting any of this information from the coach than what the hell is he talking to him about for hours? How much Uncle Fred drank at Thanksgiving and the usual insults he flung across the table to every trembling sober family member.

D3soccerwatcher

Mr.Right -
When your alma mater, Westfield State, lets you commentate a game, please give us all a heads-up.  We'll let you know what we think.  In the meantime, taking cheap potshots at the NCAA D3 Soccer Final Four commentators is unbecoming...even for you.  IMO they did a fine job.  Thank you gentlemen for your work that weekend...well done.

Mr.Right

Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on January 14, 2018, 12:08:59 AM
Mr.Right -
When your alma mater, Westfield State, lets you commentate a game, please give us all a heads-up.  We'll let you know what we think.  In the meantime, taking cheap potshots at the NCAA D3 Soccer Final Four commentators is unbecoming...even for you.  IMO they did a fine job.  Thank you gentlemen for your work that weekend...well done.


Hey he asked for my opinion and I gave it. If the other poster was not so supercilious to begin with I would have kept my opinion to myself. Figures it would be you to start the NFL style Blitz that will come my way. I know sometimes you Fundamentalist Christians have a problem with facts so for the record I never went to Westfield State. It is a fine school with beautiful facilities but it is not my alma mater. Just remember my fluff is always better than your stuff

blue_jays

Quote from: Mr.Right on January 14, 2018, 05:02:59 AM
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on January 14, 2018, 12:08:59 AM
Mr.Right -
When your alma mater, Westfield State, lets you commentate a game, please give us all a heads-up.  We'll let you know what we think.  In the meantime, taking cheap potshots at the NCAA D3 Soccer Final Four commentators is unbecoming...even for you.  IMO they did a fine job.  Thank you gentlemen for your work that weekend...well done.


Hey he asked for my opinion and I gave it. If the other poster was not so supercilious to begin with I would have kept my opinion to myself. Figures it would be you to start the NFL style Blitz that will come my way. I know sometimes you Fundamentalist Christians have a problem with facts so for the record I never went to Westfield State. It is a fine school with beautiful facilities but it is not my alma mater. Just remember my fluff is always better than your stuff

Boy, you're a real peach, I bet you're popular at parties...

firstplaceloser

Quote from: blue_jays on January 14, 2018, 10:24:32 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on January 14, 2018, 05:02:59 AM
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on January 14, 2018, 12:08:59 AM
Mr.Right -
When your alma mater, Westfield State, lets you commentate a game, please give us all a heads-up.  We'll let you know what we think.  In the meantime, taking cheap potshots at the NCAA D3 Soccer Final Four commentators is unbecoming...even for you.  IMO they did a fine job.  Thank you gentlemen for your work that weekend...well done.


Hey he asked for my opinion and I gave it. If the other poster was not so supercilious to begin with I would have kept my opinion to myself. Figures it would be you to start the NFL style Blitz that will come my way. I know sometimes you Fundamentalist Christians have a problem with facts so for the record I never went to Westfield State. It is a fine school with beautiful facilities but it is not my alma mater. Just remember my fluff is always better than your stuff

Boy, you're a real peach, I bet you're popular at parties...

how typical... someone tells you explain how someone messed up than you get destroyed for saying it. it is starting to become more noticeable on here every year. I was given a whole bunch of sass few years back for saying how I really felt. get over it. we all have our fair knowledge and experience ma in D3 Soccer. but you must do back it up.

and I would love to attend a party with both of you LOL

blue_jays

Quote from: firstplaceloser on January 14, 2018, 04:57:29 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on January 14, 2018, 10:24:32 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on January 14, 2018, 05:02:59 AM
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on January 14, 2018, 12:08:59 AM
Mr.Right -
When your alma mater, Westfield State, lets you commentate a game, please give us all a heads-up.  We'll let you know what we think.  In the meantime, taking cheap potshots at the NCAA D3 Soccer Final Four commentators is unbecoming...even for you.  IMO they did a fine job.  Thank you gentlemen for your work that weekend...well done.


Hey he asked for my opinion and I gave it. If the other poster was not so supercilious to begin with I would have kept my opinion to myself. Figures it would be you to start the NFL style Blitz that will come my way. I know sometimes you Fundamentalist Christians have a problem with facts so for the record I never went to Westfield State. It is a fine school with beautiful facilities but it is not my alma mater. Just remember my fluff is always better than your stuff

Boy, you're a real peach, I bet you're popular at parties...

how typical... someone tells you explain how someone messed up than you get destroyed for saying it. it is starting to become more noticeable on here every year. I was given a whole bunch of sass few years back for saying how I really felt. get over it. we all have our fair knowledge and experience ma in D3 Soccer. but you must do back it up.

and I would love to attend a party with both of you LOL

It's also possible to have opinions without being an a-hole about it too. That's the issue.

firstplaceloser

Quote from: blue_jays on January 14, 2018, 07:24:14 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on January 14, 2018, 04:57:29 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on January 14, 2018, 10:24:32 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on January 14, 2018, 05:02:59 AM
Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on January 14, 2018, 12:08:59 AM
Mr.Right -
When your alma mater, Westfield State, lets you commentate a game, please give us all a heads-up.  We'll let you know what we think.  In the meantime, taking cheap potshots at the NCAA D3 Soccer Final Four commentators is unbecoming...even for you.  IMO they did a fine job.  Thank you gentlemen for your work that weekend...well done.


Hey he asked for my opinion and I gave it. If the other poster was not so supercilious to begin with I would have kept my opinion to myself. Figures it would be you to start the NFL style Blitz that will come my way. I know sometimes you Fundamentalist Christians have a problem with facts so for the record I never went to Westfield State. It is a fine school with beautiful facilities but it is not my alma mater. Just remember my fluff is always better than your stuff

Boy, you're a real peach, I bet you're popular at parties...

how typical... someone tells you explain how someone messed up than you get destroyed for saying it. it is starting to become more noticeable on here every year. I was given a whole bunch of sass few years back for saying how I really felt. get over it. we all have our fair knowledge and experience ma in D3 Soccer. but you must do back it up.

and I would love to attend a party with both of you LOL

It's also possible to have opinions without being an a-hole about it too. That's the issue.

both are guilty in this scenario for doing that. but i'm just saying don't ask for someone's opinion
then get angry about it. you would rather him lie to you ??