2017 Season - National Perspective

[Flying Weasel]

Only 2 teams have finished the year in the D3 Top 25 every season since 2010.  Name them...
Since 2010, only 2 teams have finished the year in the D3 Top 25 having lost 7 games in the season. Name them...
Since 2010, one team has finished the season ranked 3rd 3x.  Name them...

Are we talking the USC/NSCAA Top 25 or the D3soccer.com Top 25? 

And for the third question, are you saying exactly 3rd three times or third or better?

Assuming we're talking the D3soccer.com Top 25 (which makes sense if you're starting from 2010),  I'm surprised it's only two teams that made it each year.  Of course, Loras missed this year, Messiah missed two years ago.  I think Calvin missed the first year after the coaching change following their 2011 finals appearance.  Oneonta State probably wasn't ranked in 2010 before their 2011 Final Four run.  Montclair State wasn't ranked this year and probably not last year, come to think of it.  That leaves Trinity (Tx.) and Amherst and I guess just those two if your question is accurate.

No idea about teams with 7 losses without looking.  5 and even 6 losses is fairly common, but 7 is rare.  Won't venture a guess.

As to finishing 3rd three times it's gotta be Loras or Oneonta State--two teams that made the Final Four a few times but never won it.  I'm almost positive that when Loras lost in OT to Messiah in the 2012 semifinal and then Messiah trounced Ohio Northern in the final, Loras got 2nd.  Ohh, and they certainly got 2nd two years ago when they lost to Amherst in the final.  So it's gotta be Oneonta.

[Ejay]

Only 2 teams have finished the year in the D3 Top 25 every season since 2010.  Name them...
Since 2010, only 2 teams have finished the year in the D3 Top 25 having lost 7 games in the season. Name them...
Since 2010, one team has finished the season ranked 3rd 3x.  Name them...

Are we talking the USC/NSCAA Top 25 or the D3soccer.com Top 25? 

And for the third question, are you saying exactly 3rd three times or third or better?

Assuming we're talking the D3soccer.com Top 25 (which makes sense if you're starting from 2010),  I'm surprised it's only two teams that made it each year.  Of course, Loras missed this year, Messiah missed two years ago.  I think Calvin missed the first year after the coaching change following their 2011 finals appearance.  Oneonta State probably wasn't ranked in 2010 before their 2011 Final Four run.  Montclair State wasn't ranked this year and probably not last year, come to think of it.  That leaves Trinity (Tx.) and Amherst and I guess just those two if your question is accurate.

No idea about teams with 7 losses without looking.  5 and even 6 losses is fairly common, but 7 is rare.  Won't venture a guess.

As to finishing 3rd three times it's gotta be Loras or Oneonta State--two teams that made the Final Four a few times but never won it.  I'm almost positive that when Loras lost in OT to Messiah in the 2012 semifinal and then Messiah trounced Ohio Northern in the final, Loras got 2nd.  Ohh, and they certainly got 2nd two years ago when they lost to Amherst in the final.  So it's gotta be Oneonta.

Yes, D3Soccer Top 25.

• Yes, Amherst and Trinity are the only teams to be ranked in the top 25 every year since 2010.

• Yes, 7 losses is rare. Out of 200 teams ranked, it's only happened 2x. Loras was 16-7-1 in 2010 and ranked 21st. Williams was 15-7 and ranked 8th in 2013. Interesting how a good tournament run can move you from unranked to 8th, while a bad tournament loss can push you from #1 to #9 (OWU 19-1-3). I'm not sure I'd agree that 15-7 Williams was better than 19-1-3 OWU regardless of tournament results.

• Yes, Oneonta is correct (3rd in 2011, 2014, 2105). Interestingly, they've only been ranked one other time - 16th this year.

[1970s NESCAC Player]

Only 2 teams have finished the year in the D3 Top 25 every season since 2010.  Name them...
Since 2010, only 2 teams have finished the year in the D3 Top 25 having lost 7 games in the season. Name them...
Since 2010, one team has finished the season ranked 3rd 3x.  Name them...

Are we talking the USC/NSCAA Top 25 or the D3soccer.com Top 25? 

And for the third question, are you saying exactly 3rd three times or third or better?

Assuming we're talking the D3soccer.com Top 25 (which makes sense if you're starting from 2010),  I'm surprised it's only two teams that made it each year.  Of course, Loras missed this year, Messiah missed two years ago.  I think Calvin missed the first year after the coaching change following their 2011 finals appearance.  Oneonta State probably wasn't ranked in 2010 before their 2011 Final Four run.  Montclair State wasn't ranked this year and probably not last year, come to think of it.  That leaves Trinity (Tx.) and Amherst and I guess just those two if your question is accurate.

No idea about teams with 7 losses without looking.  5 and even 6 losses is fairly common, but 7 is rare.  Won't venture a guess.

As to finishing 3rd three times it's gotta be Loras or Oneonta State--two teams that made the Final Four a few times but never won it.  I'm almost positive that when Loras lost in OT to Messiah in the 2012 semifinal and then Messiah trounced Ohio Northern in the final, Loras got 2nd.  Ohh, and they certainly got 2nd two years ago when they lost to Amherst in the final.  So it's gotta be Oneonta.

Yes, D3Soccer Top 25.

• Yes, Amherst and Trinity are the only teams to be ranked in the top 25 every year since 2010.

• Yes, 7 losses is rare. Out of 200 teams ranked, it's only happened 2x. Loras was 16-7-1 in 2010 and ranked 21st. Williams was 15-7 and ranked 8th in 2013. Interesting how a good tournament run can move you from unranked to 8th, while a bad tournament loss can push you from #1 to #9 (OWU 19-1-3). I'm not sure I'd agree that 15-7 Williams was better than 19-1-3 OWU regardless of tournament results.

• Yes, Oneonta is correct (3rd in 2011, 2014, 2105). Interestingly, they've only been ranked one other time - 16th this year.

Oneonta hasn't been a D3 soccer school for very long -- switched from D1 in 2006 and didn't become full D3 member until 2008, I believe --  so not being ranked prior to 2010 is consistent.

[Flying Weasel]

• Yes, 7 losses is rare. Out of 200 teams ranked, it's only happened 2x. Loras was 16-7-1 in 2010 and ranked 21st. Williams was 15-7 and ranked 8th in 2013. Interesting how a good tournament run can move you from unranked to 8th, while a bad tournament loss can push you from #1 to #9 (OWU 19-1-3). I'm not sure I'd agree that 15-7 Williams was better than 19-1-3 OWU regardless of tournament results.

Well, if the national champion HAS TO BE ranked No. 1, than the same logic would require that all Final Four teams be ranked at least _________ (those who ascribe to this philosophy can fill in the blank.).  Tufts went from unranked to No.1 last year carrying five losses and two ties while Messiah, Chicago and Amherst only suffered one loss with 2 or 3 ties playing high SOS while a handful of other teams also had better final records and arguably better overall campaigns from start to finish than Tufts (Kenyon, Calvin, Trinity, etc.).  And in 2014, Tufts went from No. 20 to No. 1 based on their tournament run to the title. In 2010, Lynchburg went from unranked to No. 2 after their surprise run to the title game (that they lost after the non-call on Messiah's tying goal--otherwise I'm sure they would have been voted No. 1). In 2011, runner-up Calvin (with 6 losses and 2 ties) went from unranked to No. 2, ahead of three teams with just one loss and one tie each, but having one of those blemishes come at the wrong time.  For many, tournament finish is king when it comes to an end-of-season rating of teams, and, in that case, 15-7-0 Williams ahead of 19-1-3 Ohio Wesleyan makes perfect sense.

• Yes, Oneonta is correct (3rd in 2011, 2014, 2105). Interestingly, they've only been ranked one other time - 16th this year.

I would have swore Oneonta was ranked in another year so I had to check your work (I assumed you were correct but had to see for myself), and Oneonta was the second highest "Receiving Votes" in 2012 and 2016 but not ranked.

[Hopkins92]

This story goes back 20+ years at this point, so calling it stale is being generous. However, in my senior class in h.s. the number 15 student, a close friend with a bunch of non-athletic extra-curriculars and a ridiculous SAT score, was denied a spot at Johns Hopkins. The number 65 student in our class, an all-conference football player, was offered and accepted a slot at JHU. He was a good student, a nice guy, a friend, but he wasn't her caliber academically and didn't have her test scores.

Huge schools like the UAA schools and, in this case JHU, can slide an athlete through that way. It doesn't hurt their stats at all to stretch on some athletes in a 1500+ person class. The sub 500 per class schools can't do that so easily, or at least not at the same volume, without hurting their rankings.

I had no business getting into Hopkins.

(And, fwiw, when I applied undergrad enrollment was somewhere around 4,000... I know it's up these days, but can't be more than 6 or 7k.)

[Hopkins92]

Paul Newman despite the Kenyon-Tufts rivalry you have been one of my favorite posters so I'll give it a shot.  First off, I do know of some other players that post more anonymously than I have, so they are out there.  In terms of choice...

I think you are right about the shift towards mid sized schools.  Most of the other NESCACs, Haverford, Swarthmore schools are smaller than my high school which I thought would be odd.  Second, I think Tufts being located right next to Boston is a huge advantage over the other NESCACs in terms of recruiting. Tufts is also kind of an anomaly in your LAC vs UAA type argument because the school advertises itself as a liberal arts university.  We are still part of the NESCAC and the majority of the school is in a liberal arts program.  But it also offers engineering and the hard science classes that attracted a couple guys on the team each year who would not have considered other NESCACs.
For me, I think soccer played a bigger factor than what other poster speculated.  I only was looking at "good" academic schools and knew that I would be able to fit in/take the classes I specifically wanted at any of the schools.  So while there was some small difference in the reputation of the schools I was considering, it was small enough to not play a significant role.  That meant the biggest thing was relationship with the coach, playing style, and potential to play right away, as well as potential for success.  But the final and most important factor was something less tangible or quantifiable, my experience on my official visit.  At certain schools the team dynamic or vibe was off, but at Tufts I instantly knew I wanted to be a part of that group of guys.  And I think that type of culture has remained the schools biggest selling point. 

The other big factor this post doesn't consider and is huge for the elite d3 schools is the d1 vs d3 debate.  But thats a whole other argument.

d4_Pace, you have catapulted yourself right to the top of my Tufts All-Time Faves Players List, even though I have no clue who you are.  While I am not happy about the lack of Final Four appearances and titles from 2014 thru 2016 for the Lords I think the Tufts-Kenyon rivalry is just the kind of intersectional deal that many of us crave and that is great for D3 soccer (and that many have said we'd like to see more often in the early season and not just very randomly in the tournament).  Kenyon could easily make a trip to New England at least every 2nd or 3rd year or so in that first week or two, especially when New England kids are on the roster, just as Kenyon and other schools should take advantage of the overseas allowance (and Kenyon hasn't done that either...and I'm not clear if NESCAC schools can or can't).  Recruiting at the top I'm sure is pretty fierce, so some small things and perks can be big, and for example I wonder if some coaches are hoping their teams do something similar to what you guys did in the cinematic realm.

I think most of the UAA schools would consider themselves within the "liberal arts" genre or at least having a major liberal arts component so when I refer to LACs, I am referring to the US News category of LACs where in general the high end of enrollment is 2800-3200 (Wesleyan, Oberlin come to mind).  Tufts might not be quite as pre-med heavy as Wash U and Hopkins (I know, Centennial) or maybe even Emory but I think of Tufts and Emory as very, very similar.  Carnegie is sort of its own deal.  Chicago is super-intellectual.  Rochester and Case are sort of hybrids with everything, and Brandeis is sort of its own deal.  Anyway, culturally as a New England school and athletically Tufts obviously fits well in the NESCAC but I could Tufts fitting just as well as a UAA school.

You guys probably know this, but Hopkins was in the UAA for basketball and some other sports all the way through 2001.

I've said this before on one of the threads, but I find the UAA to be a very strange conference in terms of logistics and cost. I'm certainly glad that when I was at Hopkins we weren't traveling all over the damn place playing games in Chicago, Atlanta, Boston, etc.

[Gregory Sager]

Oneonta hasn't been a D3 soccer school for very long -- switched from D1 in 2006 and didn't become full D3 member until 2008, I believe --  so not being ranked prior to 2010 is consistent.

Oneonta State men's soccer was one of the programs that was grandfathered in when the NCAA rule was made that restricted schools to only competing in one division, unless the sport in question was not offered in that division. Oneonta State has been a D3 member since the inception of the division back in 1973, but, as noted, it had an exception within the athletics department by competing in D1 in men's soccer until '06.

[Buck O.]

Paul Newman despite the Kenyon-Tufts rivalry you have been one of my favorite posters so I'll give it a shot.  First off, I do know of some other players that post more anonymously than I have, so they are out there.  In terms of choice...

I think you are right about the shift towards mid sized schools.  Most of the other NESCACs, Haverford, Swarthmore schools are smaller than my high school which I thought would be odd.  Second, I think Tufts being located right next to Boston is a huge advantage over the other NESCACs in terms of recruiting. Tufts is also kind of an anomaly in your LAC vs UAA type argument because the school advertises itself as a liberal arts university.  We are still part of the NESCAC and the majority of the school is in a liberal arts program.  But it also offers engineering and the hard science classes that attracted a couple guys on the team each year who would not have considered other NESCACs.
For me, I think soccer played a bigger factor than what other poster speculated.  I only was looking at "good" academic schools and knew that I would be able to fit in/take the classes I specifically wanted at any of the schools.  So while there was some small difference in the reputation of the schools I was considering, it was small enough to not play a significant role.  That meant the biggest thing was relationship with the coach, playing style, and potential to play right away, as well as potential for success.  But the final and most important factor was something less tangible or quantifiable, my experience on my official visit.  At certain schools the team dynamic or vibe was off, but at Tufts I instantly knew I wanted to be a part of that group of guys.  And I think that type of culture has remained the schools biggest selling point. 

The other big factor this post doesn't consider and is huge for the elite d3 schools is the d1 vs d3 debate.  But thats a whole other argument.

d4_Pace, you have catapulted yourself right to the top of my Tufts All-Time Faves Players List, even though I have no clue who you are.  While I am not happy about the lack of Final Four appearances and titles from 2014 thru 2016 for the Lords I think the Tufts-Kenyon rivalry is just the kind of intersectional deal that many of us crave and that is great for D3 soccer (and that many have said we'd like to see more often in the early season and not just very randomly in the tournament).  Kenyon could easily make a trip to New England at least every 2nd or 3rd year or so in that first week or two, especially when New England kids are on the roster, just as Kenyon and other schools should take advantage of the overseas allowance (and Kenyon hasn't done that either...and I'm not clear if NESCAC schools can or can't).  Recruiting at the top I'm sure is pretty fierce, so some small things and perks can be big, and for example I wonder if some coaches are hoping their teams do something similar to what you guys did in the cinematic realm.

I think most of the UAA schools would consider themselves within the "liberal arts" genre or at least having a major liberal arts component so when I refer to LACs, I am referring to the US News category of LACs where in general the high end of enrollment is 2800-3200 (Wesleyan, Oberlin come to mind).  Tufts might not be quite as pre-med heavy as Wash U and Hopkins (I know, Centennial) or maybe even Emory but I think of Tufts and Emory as very, very similar.  Carnegie is sort of its own deal.  Chicago is super-intellectual.  Rochester and Case are sort of hybrids with everything, and Brandeis is sort of its own deal.  Anyway, culturally as a New England school and athletically Tufts obviously fits well in the NESCAC but I could Tufts fitting just as well as a UAA school.

You guys probably know this, but Hopkins was in the UAA for basketball and some other sports all the way through 2001.

I've said this before on one of the threads, but I find the UAA to be a very strange conference in terms of logistics and cost. I'm certainly glad that when I was at Hopkins we weren't traveling all over the damn place playing games in Chicago, Atlanta, Boston, etc.

It's not as though they're doing it every week.  It's two weekends per year, and they're all in major cities with reasonably large airports.  For example, Brandeis went to Cleveland to play a game one Sunday, and went to Rochester and Atlanta another weekend for a Friday/Sunday pair of games.  Personally, I think I'd prefer that to the long bus rides that are typical in many other conferences.

[Hopkins92]

Paul Newman despite the Kenyon-Tufts rivalry you have been one of my favorite posters so I'll give it a shot.  First off, I do know of some other players that post more anonymously than I have, so they are out there.  In terms of choice...

I think you are right about the shift towards mid sized schools.  Most of the other NESCACs, Haverford, Swarthmore schools are smaller than my high school which I thought would be odd.  Second, I think Tufts being located right next to Boston is a huge advantage over the other NESCACs in terms of recruiting. Tufts is also kind of an anomaly in your LAC vs UAA type argument because the school advertises itself as a liberal arts university.  We are still part of the NESCAC and the majority of the school is in a liberal arts program.  But it also offers engineering and the hard science classes that attracted a couple guys on the team each year who would not have considered other NESCACs.
For me, I think soccer played a bigger factor than what other poster speculated.  I only was looking at "good" academic schools and knew that I would be able to fit in/take the classes I specifically wanted at any of the schools.  So while there was some small difference in the reputation of the schools I was considering, it was small enough to not play a significant role.  That meant the biggest thing was relationship with the coach, playing style, and potential to play right away, as well as potential for success.  But the final and most important factor was something less tangible or quantifiable, my experience on my official visit.  At certain schools the team dynamic or vibe was off, but at Tufts I instantly knew I wanted to be a part of that group of guys.  And I think that type of culture has remained the schools biggest selling point. 

The other big factor this post doesn't consider and is huge for the elite d3 schools is the d1 vs d3 debate.  But thats a whole other argument.

d4_Pace, you have catapulted yourself right to the top of my Tufts All-Time Faves Players List, even though I have no clue who you are.  While I am not happy about the lack of Final Four appearances and titles from 2014 thru 2016 for the Lords I think the Tufts-Kenyon rivalry is just the kind of intersectional deal that many of us crave and that is great for D3 soccer (and that many have said we'd like to see more often in the early season and not just very randomly in the tournament).  Kenyon could easily make a trip to New England at least every 2nd or 3rd year or so in that first week or two, especially when New England kids are on the roster, just as Kenyon and other schools should take advantage of the overseas allowance (and Kenyon hasn't done that either...and I'm not clear if NESCAC schools can or can't).  Recruiting at the top I'm sure is pretty fierce, so some small things and perks can be big, and for example I wonder if some coaches are hoping their teams do something similar to what you guys did in the cinematic realm.

I think most of the UAA schools would consider themselves within the "liberal arts" genre or at least having a major liberal arts component so when I refer to LACs, I am referring to the US News category of LACs where in general the high end of enrollment is 2800-3200 (Wesleyan, Oberlin come to mind).  Tufts might not be quite as pre-med heavy as Wash U and Hopkins (I know, Centennial) or maybe even Emory but I think of Tufts and Emory as very, very similar.  Carnegie is sort of its own deal.  Chicago is super-intellectual.  Rochester and Case are sort of hybrids with everything, and Brandeis is sort of its own deal.  Anyway, culturally as a New England school and athletically Tufts obviously fits well in the NESCAC but I could Tufts fitting just as well as a UAA school.

You guys probably know this, but Hopkins was in the UAA for basketball and some other sports all the way through 2001.

I've said this before on one of the threads, but I find the UAA to be a very strange conference in terms of logistics and cost. I'm certainly glad that when I was at Hopkins we weren't traveling all over the damn place playing games in Chicago, Atlanta, Boston, etc.

It's not as though they're doing it every week.  It's two weekends per year, and they're all in major cities with reasonably large airports.  For example, Brandeis went to Cleveland to play a game one Sunday, and went to Rochester and Atlanta another weekend for a Friday/Sunday pair of games.  Personally, I think I'd prefer that to the long bus rides that are typical in many other conferences.

That's a fair point. I hadn't ever really looked at their schedules closely.

[rolldeisroll]

Paul Newman despite the Kenyon-Tufts rivalry you have been one of my favorite posters so I'll give it a shot.  First off, I do know of some other players that post more anonymously than I have, so they are out there.  In terms of choice...

I think you are right about the shift towards mid sized schools.  Most of the other NESCACs, Haverford, Swarthmore schools are smaller than my high school which I thought would be odd.  Second, I think Tufts being located right next to Boston is a huge advantage over the other NESCACs in terms of recruiting. Tufts is also kind of an anomaly in your LAC vs UAA type argument because the school advertises itself as a liberal arts university.  We are still part of the NESCAC and the majority of the school is in a liberal arts program.  But it also offers engineering and the hard science classes that attracted a couple guys on the team each year who would not have considered other NESCACs.
For me, I think soccer played a bigger factor than what other poster speculated.  I only was looking at "good" academic schools and knew that I would be able to fit in/take the classes I specifically wanted at any of the schools.  So while there was some small difference in the reputation of the schools I was considering, it was small enough to not play a significant role.  That meant the biggest thing was relationship with the coach, playing style, and potential to play right away, as well as potential for success.  But the final and most important factor was something less tangible or quantifiable, my experience on my official visit.  At certain schools the team dynamic or vibe was off, but at Tufts I instantly knew I wanted to be a part of that group of guys.  And I think that type of culture has remained the schools biggest selling point. 

The other big factor this post doesn't consider and is huge for the elite d3 schools is the d1 vs d3 debate.  But thats a whole other argument.

d4_Pace, you have catapulted yourself right to the top of my Tufts All-Time Faves Players List, even though I have no clue who you are.  While I am not happy about the lack of Final Four appearances and titles from 2014 thru 2016 for the Lords I think the Tufts-Kenyon rivalry is just the kind of intersectional deal that many of us crave and that is great for D3 soccer (and that many have said we'd like to see more often in the early season and not just very randomly in the tournament).  Kenyon could easily make a trip to New England at least every 2nd or 3rd year or so in that first week or two, especially when New England kids are on the roster, just as Kenyon and other schools should take advantage of the overseas allowance (and Kenyon hasn't done that either...and I'm not clear if NESCAC schools can or can't).  Recruiting at the top I'm sure is pretty fierce, so some small things and perks can be big, and for example I wonder if some coaches are hoping their teams do something similar to what you guys did in the cinematic realm.

I think most of the UAA schools would consider themselves within the "liberal arts" genre or at least having a major liberal arts component so when I refer to LACs, I am referring to the US News category of LACs where in general the high end of enrollment is 2800-3200 (Wesleyan, Oberlin come to mind).  Tufts might not be quite as pre-med heavy as Wash U and Hopkins (I know, Centennial) or maybe even Emory but I think of Tufts and Emory as very, very similar.  Carnegie is sort of its own deal.  Chicago is super-intellectual.  Rochester and Case are sort of hybrids with everything, and Brandeis is sort of its own deal.  Anyway, culturally as a New England school and athletically Tufts obviously fits well in the NESCAC but I could Tufts fitting just as well as a UAA school.

You guys probably know this, but Hopkins was in the UAA for basketball and some other sports all the way through 2001.

I've said this before on one of the threads, but I find the UAA to be a very strange conference in terms of logistics and cost. I'm certainly glad that when I was at Hopkins we weren't traveling all over the damn place playing games in Chicago, Atlanta, Boston, etc.

It's not as though they're doing it every week.  It's two weekends per year, and they're all in major cities with reasonably large airports.  For example, Brandeis went to Cleveland to play a game one Sunday, and went to Rochester and Atlanta another weekend for a Friday/Sunday pair of games.  Personally, I think I'd prefer that to the long bus rides that are typical in many other conferences.

That's a fair point. I hadn't ever really looked at their schedules closely.

Yeah its all done quite well. At most, 3 travel weekends the whole year, and it really makes you feel like a pro player I bet. St. Louis on Thursday/Friday, Chicago on Saturday/Sunday, fly home Sunday Night. Thats usually how a UAA weekend goes,

[Mr.Right]

Thank you for being completely honest about how and why you voted like you did. Also, I would of voted the same exact way as yourself and given basically the same explanation for doing so. A little more clarity and transparency in who and why they vote on this site would be much appreciated. Instead of the site proclaiming that they have an eclectic and diverse voting body it would be nice to see who the voters actually are? Kind of like the NCAA giving us who is on each Committee that they have.

You won't get from the D3sports network the list of voters on any poll and I doubt D3soccer will do the same. The premise is simple: we don't want the voters being harassed or cajoled about how they vote or who they should be voting for by fans, colleagues (coaches, media members, the like), or others. They don't need to have that to deal with when paying attention to their Top 25 work. So at least for the D3sports network ... you won't get voter's names unless they reveal them like myself.

As for the NCAA... they give us who is on each committee for a heck of a lot of other reasons. However, the simple thing is this: they are the NCAA and not a media organization. Now, the AP certainly releases their voters... but they are all media members, so there are difference expectations. We aren't going to throw coaches or SIDs or others under the bus. Not fair to them especially since many rather not have their names out there for the reasons described.

I seriously doubt they would be harassed. You might get one or two cantankerous parents or whatever but it is what it is I guess. For the sake of transparency I think at the very least we could get a list of the schools they are affiliated with. For D3Soccer contributors they could just list D3Soccer.com and maybe the town they are from. I would think the site would want to do this so us posters and especially those that care about rankings that we are getting fair representation from each region.

Your words basically prove my point. "at the very least we could get the list of schools they are affiliated with." Why? "Maybe the town they are from." Why?

If D3soccer is like the D3sports network it was once affiliated with, they are making sure their poll is fairly balanced how they deem it should be... not to you or any body else's parameters. They don't answer to you ultimately. You already point out more than a few times how you think voters are wrong... you are the kind of person we wouldn't want knowing who the voters are in the D3sports network because I suspect you would call them out. You haven't shown otherwise.

This makes me laugh...You are way to sensitive. You are getting aggressive with me for one reason and one reason only because I criticized your call of the NCAA Semi Final and Final games. All I said was that is was obvious you were not fully prepared and I was not the only one to comment on it. It is not a big deal but at the time I thought it was a disservice to the players and teams involved. Anyway, I would never harass a voter on why and how they voted. I just really do not care about rankings that much and in my 3000 or so posts I bet I have talked about rankings maybe 20 times. Now though I will certainly follow it much more closely. If D3Soccer.com cannot give us a list of where or what region the voters are from than these rankings should be monitored and scrutinized much more closely. I will be sure to start next season.

[Flying Weasel]

If D3soccer.com not revealing anything about their Top 25 voter demographics means you will be following the rankings more closely and talking about them on the message board, then I think you have just ensured that the website will not reveal anything!  What more could the website ask for than to have the most active poster on this message board driving conversation and interest in their Top 25?!?   

[firstplaceloser]

Mr Righr has a point though, Dmac was triggered bc we didn't agree with their votes. get over it, opinions are exactly that. and we all have one. Mr Right is probably one of the most dedicated on this forum so he should be allowed to say whatever he wants about the voters. I can bet that he watches more D3 soccer than some of those voters.

[D3soccerwatcher]

When does the NPOY award(s) come out (if the announcement has been made already)?

[rolldeisroll]

And was there an announcement who was on the all-tournament team?