NJAC

[Mr.Right]

Stockton registered 1 shot on goal! And 5 shots attempted in 110 minutes. Shots where 26 to 5 and 10-1 SOG. Stockton came in hoping for pk's And almost got there. But let's not act like they came to play. Funny how you say how physical Stockton was but then say Rowan gets away with fouls. It's always tough to beat conference opponents twice but more so when they sit in. The post and a few great saves by Stockton's GK almost where enough. Not sure what happened after the game but I hate to see kids lose their cool. Now RUN comes back to Glassboro looking for the AQ. If Rowan gets the AQ could it be only one team from the NJAC? I don't think so! I think the winner on Saturday will host the first round.

I am not saying the NJAC does not deserve more than 1 team and I have seen RUN play on the stream and they are an NCAA team BUT their RESUME is lacking...1 ranked win and a below .560 SOS is bubble material and the wrong side of it. Just look at other regions..The Mid-Atlantic has a Haverford team that just got bounced 5-0 in their tourney and are ranked #7 BUT have a 4-5-0 RvR. That is 9 games against ranked opponents and 4 wins and their SOS is very high..Personally, after seeing these things play out for years I would rather have Haverfords resume than RUN. To many of these bottom NJAC teams play extremely weak non-conferene schedules that drag the whole conference down. Also, I HAVE to think that if Emory defeats UR at Home this weekend which is very possible than they will jump RUN easily if RUN loses to Rowan. I would not be able to ignore Emory's 3 ranked wins and .636 SOS. I think a win this weekend and Emory is in.

[Go2Goal]

ill be the first person here to call this. Rowan season will be over in the first weekend of NCAAs.

Loser how does Camden look for the ECAC's?

[Shooter McGavin]

ill be the first person here to call this. Rowan season will be over in the first weekend of NCAAs.

You will be the second person to say it  See my post from a few weeks back.

Men's soccer / Re: 2017 Season - National Perspective
« on: October 16, 2017, 09:16:45 am »
Personally I think Rowan has more hype than they should. I have watched them play a couple times so far this season. Are they a good team? Of course they are. Do they have Final 4 caliber talent? Most certainly. But are they disciplined enough to mentally make a run of 6 straight games to a final? I don't think they are. They have 3 solid wins and 2 tough losses. I don't know if they have challenged themselves enough this year to prepare them for the treacherous journey of the NCAA tournament.

We saw it last year with a disappointing second round exit at home with all the national title hype. We saw it the previous year (2015) with a disappointing first round exit to Dickinson. I firmly believe last year's Rowan team was better than this year's Rowan team despite the lack of depth last year compared to this year. That would worry me if I were a Prof fan.

I am still not sure why they didn't challenge themselves more in the non-conference. Messiah, Lycomimg, and CNU are all great tests (1-2-0) but other than that they played 6 legit cupcakes and an under-performing F&M side. The NJAC is way down this year and that will hurt them come tournament time.

A lot depends on the draw, match-ups, health, and most importantly luck! We will see what happens for the Profs but I wouldn't be surprised to be talking about another 1st or 2nd round exit this year in about a month.

[Shooter McGavin]

The youtube video (linked above) is the view from the stream last evening (correct?). I still think the goal was late--there's less than one second left when the shot is taken. But, it's so close that I could be mistaken.

Messiah recently got a GW with virtually no time left, but it wasn't a close call like this one. Rare to see it once, let alone twice, in the space of a couple of weeks, involving top teams. Probably never see it again.

When I loaded that video, the next one in line was this, called "Ring Chasing," apparently coming from the university: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATDI3l79P8M

There's been some talk here (not involving me) about Rowan promoting their chances to win it all this year. Someone asked for evidence of that. Well, here it is--but this is just 5 days old, after that conversation was over. I suppose this was done for recruiting purposes?

I told ya so....

[Pat Coleman]

I was there, no way that ball made it into the net before the clock was at zero!

I was watching the stream, which was pretty good quality, and I wanted to see a replay--they do that routinely on the Messiah stream with scoring plays and some near misses. If I were in the witness box, my testimony would be that the goal didn't count. Time ran out before it crossed the line.

they are trying to "claim" that the clock wasn't the official clock ... every college game i ever played was kept by the score board clock.. BUT also what in the world was the goalie doing?!?!?!

Bottom line: The clock you see on a broadcast stream isn't guaranteed to be the scoreboard clock. Sometimes the clock is kept manually for purposes of the scoreboard graphic. If you're not seeing something that is clearly a camera shot of the clock cut into the broadcast, then you can't know for sure, really.

[firstplaceloser]

ill be the first person here to call this. Rowan season will be over in the first weekend of NCAAs.

Loser how does Camden look for the ECAC's?

Camden will be just fine. they had one "bad" year in the last 8-9. check out what camden and montclair did to the NJAC from 2006-this year. completely and utterly owned by them both. each having multiple years in a row. rowan on the other hand has 1 championship since 2003.  don't let one bad season determine the fate of a team that was a national powerhouse in the worst city in America. i can spit facts all day to back that up as well. Camden has top 10 win streak of 37 games i believe without losing. like i said before you try recruiting to camden.. oz is a tactical genius and he proved it at every level

[blooter442]

Camden will be just fine. they had one "bad" year in the last 8-9. check out what camden and montclair did to the NJAC from 2006-this year. completely and utterly owned by them both. each having multiple years in a row. rowan on the other hand has 1 championship since 2003.  don't let one bad season determine the fate of a team that was a national powerhouse in the worst city in America. i can spit facts all day to back that up as well. Camden has top 10 win streak of 56 games i believe without losing. like i said before you try recruiting to camden.. oz is a tactical genius and he proved it at every level

Don't sweat it, firstplaceloser. When a team's assistant is on the boards talking trash at you, you've gotten in his head.

[firstplaceloser]

what kills me is the fact that if Camden made a "ring chasing" video before even winning their conference tournament some of you would have had a field day. there is absolutely no way this Rowan team would've beaten the 2013 Camden team. Rowan's cockiness is seen as okay but once i try to say something it's automatically not true. Camden did more than enough to earn the respect of
the nation the last 8 years. anything to the contrary is a load of crap. i look for consistency

[firstplaceloser]

you have to watch the video on their instagram to see the actual game clock. the other video isn't correct. and i am a ref, the ball must cross the line before time expires. but i really don't know what i would have done there

Thanks for clarification on the ball crossing the line before time expires.  I did not know that rule. Do you ref college and high school?  In our state for HS games the clock does not even run for the last 2 minutes so players have no idea when the clock will expire.  NCAA soccer (at least D3..I never noticed for D1/D2) does show the time and it counts down to 0 at which point play stops.  I have seen a college game once where the ref allowed corner kick to be taken with time winding down..and the team scored off the corner but ref waved the goal off due to time expiring.   The coach went crazy..but if the rule is the ball has to go over the line before the clock hits 0 then it was the correct call.   I found it a strange call at the time. Tough call..without the benefit of instant replay it is hard to hold the Ref responsible for making a call that tight in the Rowan game.  Stockton should have pressured that player and not given him the opportunity to get the shot off...can't blame the ref for that.

sorry i took so long to respond had problems with account yesterday. but yes i do ref college as wel as high level club/edp. as for the clock the ref is supposed to keep the official time unless he is told something different.

[blooter442]

what kills me is the fact that if Camden made a "ring chasing" video before even winning their conference tournament some of you would have had a field day. there is absolutely no way this Rowan team would've beaten the 2013 Camden team. Rowan's cockiness is seen as okay but once i try to say something it's automatically not true. Camden did more than enough to earn the respect of
the nation the last 8 years. anything to the contrary is a load of crap. i look for consistency

Camden definitely has national respect. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.

[firstplaceloser]

what kills me is the fact that if Camden made a "ring chasing" video before even winning their conference tournament some of you would have had a field day. there is absolutely no way this Rowan team would've beaten the 2013 Camden team. Rowan's cockiness is seen as okay but once i try to say something it's automatically not true. Camden did more than enough to earn the respect of
the nation the last 8 years. anything to the contrary is a load of crap. i look for consistency

Camden definitely has national respect. Anyone who says otherwise

that's bc you also know soccer and aren't bias towards teams. got to show love for everyone

[Go2Goal]

It's awesome to see the Camden fans so passionate about their program. The bottom line is that Kids have better options now. Two years in a row for Camden to miss the NCAA tournament doesn't make recruiting any easier.

[firstplaceloser]

It's awesome to see the Camden fans so passionate about their program. The bottom line is that Kids have better options now. Two years in a row for Camden to miss the NCAA tournament doesn't make recruiting any easier.

It's tough to recover like that after losing so many All americans and all conference players. Camden has a very good defense and their midfielders keep it simple they are just missing that forward that changes the game. ex. Mike Ryan. top 5 forwards in D3 history without a doubt. kid scored at will and for fun sometimes. there isn't many teams that are willing to play anyone anywhere and i think you see that a lot not just in camden but the entire NJAC. give it 2 more years and you will see camden come back on top. Maybe they wanted to give someone else a chance to win it this year. i think rowan will have their hands full tomorrow and i know i will not be missing this one. kind of pulling for a Rowan W though so they can host a round of NCAAs

[luckylefty]

Camden had an absolutely incredible run, and they won't just disappear, but the reason they had the run they did is because if you were a kid in South Jersey you went to Camden if they recruited you. Once Stockton and Rowan came back on the scene life got harder for Camden. Now they have to share the best players in the area with those two programs.

Again, I'm not swiping Camden, but kids like Keegan Balle, Mike Ryan, Grotti and many others are now divided up between Rowan Stockton and Camden. Their talent level isn't even close to what it was a few years ago, and as long as Stockton and Rowan stay in the mix they will not come close to reaching the Apex they have reached.


Edit: their apex being national championship runs, not just winning the NJAC which they could certainly do again soon

[firstplaceloser]

Camden had an absolutely incredible run, and they won't just disappear, but the reason they had the run they did is because if you were a kid in South Jersey you went to Camden if they recruited you. Once Stockton and Rowan came back on the scene life got harder for Camden. Now they have to share the best players in the area with those two programs.

Again, I'm not swiping Camden, but kids like Keegan Balle, Mike Ryan, Grotti and many others are now divided up between Rowan Stockton and Camden. Their talent level isn't even close to what it was a few years ago, and as long as Stockton and Rowan stay in the mix they will not come close to reaching the Apex they have reached.


Edit: their apex being national championship runs, not just winning the NJAC which they could certainly do again soon

yeah you're exactly right. BTW Keegan Balle was a complete accident haha we were VERY lucky to get him that season but he came 3 weeks into the season. he was supposed to transfer to Syracuse but it got messed up last second and ended up in dirty Jersey. just imagine if Rutgers wasn't in the worst city in the nation... i'm not claiming we were the best team ever but we deserve a little more respect than some of these people on here give. i will say it again, bring whoever you want to play us and it will be a battle.

By the way who is going to the NJAC final tonight