Mid-Atlantic Region

[Convict charlie]

New to the Board and to D-3 soccer. Can someone briefly explain the importance of the Regional Rankings? I realize they are important, but do they determine what schools will host the first weekend? Do they determine who hosts the 2nd weekend? Thanks!

Ncaa regional rankings are the only ones that matter. Others are just fluff. It's the committee who decides who gets the at large bids to the ncaa tourney if they don't receive the automatic bid.

Hosting has to go the ncaa d3 championship manual. It's also determined on a number of factors with travel/cost being a big part of it. It also has to do with preference of a school who gets to host if it's men/women. It switches every year the first year men may get preference for first weekend, and women the next weekend (sectionals or sweet 16/ elite 8).

[Hopkins92]

Landmark kicks off tonight at 7.

Scranton @ Catholic
Goucher @ E-town

[Hopkins92]

https://www.centennial.org/sports/msoc/2022-23/releases/Preseason-Poll-8-30

Interesting. I feel like Dickinson is a bit under-rated, and I feel like Washington is going to be an extremely difficult out. That coach really impressed me in the Simple Coach interview.

Huh... I didn't make an actual firm prediction, but I did kind of pull out two teams that the coaches got a bit wrong in the preseason.

[paclassic89]

Hopkins 2nd in the latest regional rankings.  So, in order or priority it seems to be:

RvR
SoS
H2H


Some interesting ranking decisions this week

[Shooter McGavin]

Hopkins 2nd in the latest regional rankings.  So, in order or priority it seems to be:

RvR
SoS
H2H


Some interesting ranking decisions this week

It's a combo but SOS usually trumps RvR (most times). They both have similar SOS so the next category to look into is RvR and that can't be ignored for JHU despite the H2H result.

With that said they are to be looked at in equal fashion--just stating what I have observed in the past and present.

[paclassic89]

I guess haha.  F&M also has the better win %. It's splitting hairs at this point and if I had to pick the better team based on watching them both i'd still choose Hopkins.  It just seems like there is so much unnecessary subjectivity in these rankings.  At least we aren't in Region 1 

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

MAF 3rd Regional Ranking Predictions

Region 4
1. Stevens (14-0-2 and RvR 5-0-0)
2. Montclair (13-1-4 and RvR 2-1-1)
3. NYU (8-4-3 and RvR 2-4-2)
4. Lycoming (10-4-5 and RvR 0-4-3)
5. Rowan (10-5-4 and RvR 1-3-1)
6. Misericordia (11-3-4 and RvR 1-1-0)
7. Lancaster Bible (12-3-3 and RvR 1-0-2)

Region 5
1. Messiah (17-0-1 and RvR 5-0-1)
2. Hopkins (11-1-5 and RvR  4-1-1)
3. F&M (12-1-4 and RvR 1-1-2)
4. Catholic (11-2-4 and RvR 1-1-2)
5. Alvernia (11-3-5 and RvR 2-2-0)
6. Gettysburg (9-3-5 and RvR  0-2-3)
7. Drew (12-2-4 and RvR 1-1-0)

Region 4
I flip flopped Lyco and Rowan. I had the RvR wrong and it makes sense that Rowan is ahead with H2H and 3 ranked wins. I am unsure how I missed Rowan getting to 3 wins in the RvR category. I'm actually still uncertain, as I still get 1-3-1 when looking at the last rankings. Can someone help me out here-what am I missing?

I also flip flopped Misericordia and LBC. I think the RvR for LBC kept them just ahead of Misericordia as the rest of their resumes are similar. 

Overall not too far off!

Region 5
I had the top 4 accurate but missed on the order of 5 through 7. Alvernia's SOS looks too low and not hasn't impressed the committee, even with 2 ranked wins. Drew SOS keeps them in 5th, but I don't think that will be enough to get them in with a Pool C bid.

Overall not too far off for this region either!

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

Landmark kicks off tonight at 7.

Scranton @ Catholic
Goucher @ E-town

A must win for Catholic as they look to be flirting with the Pool C bubble.

[Christan Shirk]

I flip flopped Lyco and Rowan. I had the RvR wrong and it makes sense that Rowan is ahead with H2H and 3 ranked wins. I am unsure how I missed Rowan getting to 3 wins in the RvR category. I'm actually still uncertain, as I still get 1-3-1 when looking at the last rankings. Can someone help me out here-what am I missing?

I think you have caught a mistake in the NCAA's data sheets (which begs the question about how many other errors there might be).

Rowan versus Week 2 ranked teams:
Wins (1):  Lycoming
Losses (3): Johns Hopkins, Cortland State, Montclair State
Ties (1): Trinity (Texas)

Rowan may still have been ranked ahead on the basis of head-to-head as everything else would seem rather even, but given Lycoming was ahead last week it's hard to see what would have changed the order for this week.

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

I flip flopped Lyco and Rowan. I had the RvR wrong and it makes sense that Rowan is ahead with H2H and 3 ranked wins. I am unsure how I missed Rowan getting to 3 wins in the RvR category. I'm actually still uncertain, as I still get 1-3-1 when looking at the last rankings. Can someone help me out here-what am I missing?

I think you have caught a mistake in the NCAA's data sheets (which begs the question about how many other errors there might be).

Rowan versus Week 2 ranked teams:
Wins (1):  Lycoming
Losses (3): Johns Hopkins, Cortland State, Montclair State
Ties (1): Trinity (Texas)

Rowan may still have been ranked ahead on the basis of head-to-head as everything else would seem rather even, but given Lycoming was ahead last week it's hard to see what would have changed the order for this week.

Thanks for double checking this. I was a bit confused 

If the committee was viewing the resume with 3-3-1 instead of 1-3-1 that would make a big difference for them.

As I mentioned earlier, I did not have Rowan jumping Lyco based on the previous week's rankings (Lyco ahead by a spot) and both team's next few games didn't sway my personal opinion to move Rowan over Lyco. But that was all based on the 1-3-1 RvR. I also mentioned earlier in the thread that I caught most of the Gettysburg vs Lyco game and was really impressed by both teams. This was another reason why I didn't feel the need to bump Lyco down compared to Rowan, even with the H2H advantage from earlier in the year. I have seen Rowan play a few times and they have not looked the best. I watched them vs Ramapo the other night and was still not impressed.

While I think we can all agree that Gettysburg is done and no chance for a Pool C this year, I'd still fancy them over Rowan from what I have seen this year. 

[Hopkins92]

Spicy game up in E-town... Goucher holding their own. I've mentioned before, but this is easily the best season for the Gophers since 2014 (and it's objectively better than that one).

They are 9-4-4... This is a program that is routinely sub-500. Kind of pulling for them to pull the upset here.

Man, there are no announcers but the atmosphere for this game is great. Animated coaches/benches, but nothing obnoxious going on. Just passion.

BTW, in a remarkable feat of synchronicity, the two games on tap in the Landmark kicked off 10 seconds apart.

The Blue Jay field is objectively nice, but the actual playing surface is... kind of gross? I've said it many time, it's REALLY hard to keep a grass field anywhere above the Mason-Dixon line into November. Almost impossible, really.

Wow... BEAUTIFUL save from the G goalie... parried a rocket that was headed to the upper far corner. Mark down that moment.

This ref loves calling advantage... Too much. It's worked negatively for both teams, but it's just annoying.

Goucher has 5 goalies. That seems... excessive.

I'm not sure if it's just the positioning of the mic, but... E-town seems really flat on the sideline. They are playing OK, but Goucher just seems to be more energized. Obviously an extremely subjective take.

Honestly, just listening to both coaches/benches is almost more interesting than having announcers. You get a very good sense of what they're up to tactically.

Ok, I want to reset a little... E'town has had the MUCH more dangerous chances in the first half. Lots of nice plays to open up Goucher and they've come close to scoring at least 4 times this half. Don't want the energy of Goucher to be overplayed. Blue Jays are more clinical going forward.

Half-time 0-0

This is a very entertaining game.

[paclassic89]

Upset alert!  Brockport takes the 3-2 lead over Cortland with 17 secs left.  Brockport wins.  There's 1 Pool C down.  Not a lot of margin for error so each conference upset hurts some of the Pool C hopefuls in Region IV and V

[stlawus]

Cortland and Oneonta were pretty much guaranteed bids as it is.  Unless Brockport beats Oneonta it doesn't change much.

[paclassic89]

Cortland and Oneonta were pretty much guaranteed bids as it is.  Unless Brockport beats Oneonta it doesn't change much.

Better hope that doesn't happen.  I know St. Lawrence is on the bubble too

[Hopkins92]

Still tied in both Landmark games, 10 minutes into the 2nd halves.

I must say, Goucher traveled well for this game... About 20+ fans and they are LOUD. Adding a great piece to the atmosphere.

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This is turning into a game where Goucher appears to want to just weather the storm and hope/pray for a counter or set piece. E-town just hammered a shot at the goalie that he knocked over the bar. Field is tilting in E'town's favor right now.

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SCRANTON... Great individual skill on the flank leads to a cross that is then headed in by the striker. Seems like it's against the run of play (announcers) but it is what it is... 36 minutes left... Lots of time. Would be surprised that game stays on this score line.

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Game in Etown is very choppy at this point. Not chippy, but just not a lot of tactics involved anymore.

Gopher keeper is having "a game." Just incredibly solid, and he's save at least 2, probably 3, that lesser goalies would've let in. Very impressed with this kid.