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[blooter442]

wow at least D2 understand that players need that days rest in between games. you shouldn't have to work your entire season to be thanked with a national championship game the day after the semi finals...

On the one hand, I guess both teams have the same number of days of rest, although the one that plays in the first semi clearly has more. That said, I agree with you -- would be nice to have a day between.

[deiscanton]

Carson-Newman(TN) women win, 2-1, over UC Colorado Springs and advance to Saturday's d2 women's soccer title game.

Great to have Lincoln Rose on the play by play today for NCAA.com.   He has been a friend of d3 in the past.

Next women's semifinal between Mercy (NY) and Central Missouri starts at 2 PM Central/3 PM Eastern on NCAA.com

[deiscanton]

wow at least D2 understand that players need that days rest in between games. you shouldn't have to work your entire season to be thanked with a national championship game the day after the semi finals...

On the one hand, I guess both teams have the same number of days of rest, although the one that plays in the first semi clearly has more. That said, I agree with you -- would be nice to have a day between.

The D3 soccer committees supported adding a day of rest at their February, 2017 meeting, but in June, 2017, the Championships Committee did not approve that request.  The Championships Committee raised various issues as to why they were not ready yet to implement a day of rest in d3 for the national semifinals and championship game for soccer, which are listed on page 7 of the June, 2017 report of the D3 Championships Committee on NCAA.org.  Among those reasons were they felt that it would be more fair if all d3 team sports get the benefit of a day of rest across the board, and they wanted to find out financial budgetary impacts of that change.

[deiscanton]

Central Missouri Jennies are in control at the half, 2-0, over Mercy in the second d2 women's soccer national semifinal from Swope Soccer Village in Kansas City.  The second half coming up on NCAA.com

Interesting trivia note:  While both Colby and Muhlenberg call their men's and women's teams the Mules, Central Missouri only applies the Mules nickname to their men's teams.  Their women's teams are the Jennies.

Update as of 4:54 PM Eastern-- Central Missouri won, 3-0, and will face Carson-Newman in the d2 women's soccer championship game on Saturday.

[deiscanton]

Men's d2 semifinals on NCAA.com starting at 6 PM Eastern--

1.) Lynn vs Rockhurst
2.) Cal Poly Pomona vs Charleston (WV)

[firstplaceloser]

that PK shootout was terrible by Rockhurst

[deiscanton]

that PK shootout was terrible by Rockhurst

I just saw the semifinal recap on NCAA.com, and I have to agree with you on that one.  An own goal by Cal Poly Pomona decided the other game, as Charleston (WV) advances to face Lynn in the d2 men's title game on Saturday.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

wow at least D2 understand that players need that days rest in between games. you shouldn't have to work your entire season to be thanked with a national championship game the day after the semi finals...

DII has plenty of money to burn to pay for the extra hotels, busses, food, etc. They have a healthy budget compared to DIII.

[firstplaceloser]

wow at least D2 understand that players need that days rest in between games. you shouldn't have to work your entire season to be thanked with a national championship game the day after the semi finals...

DII has plenty of money to burn to pay for the extra hotels, busses, food, etc. They have a healthy budget compared to DIII.

the players have the hotel until sunday anyway. what are they paying extra for..?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

No. Teams who lose are traditionally sent home the next day (or that night in some sports/cases). If teams stay, the schools have to foot the bill - ala I wonder if Chicago men will stay to support the women.

Also, if they do stay to Sunday... they can't always go home Sunday night. Furthermore, if you had a Hope, Calvin, Wheaton, etc. here, the games would then be pushed to Monday and that is even more money.

Back to my original point: DII gets 5.0% of the NCAA overall operating budget and they have 1/3 or so the numbers DIII has... whose operating budget is 3.1%. Those are the cards dealt. They aren't going to change. DIII has looked into changing aspects of all their tournaments like adding a day in between - it has been talked about often. The costs have not been favorable to make such a change especially after having just come out of a major budget tightening few years.

[firstplaceloser]

No. Teams who lose are traditionally sent home the next day (or that night in some sports/cases). If teams stay, the schools have to foot the bill - ala I wonder if Chicago men will stay to support the women.

Also, if they do stay to Sunday... they can't always go home Sunday night. Furthermore, if you had a Hope, Calvin, Wheaton, etc. here, the games would then be pushed to Monday and that is even more money.

Back to my original point: DII gets 5.0% of the NCAA overall operating budget and they have 1/3 or so the numbers DIII has... whose operating budget is 3.1%. Those are the cards dealt. They aren't going to change. DIII has looked into changing aspects of all their tournaments like adding a day in between - it has been talked about often. The costs have not been favorable to make such a change especially after having just come out of a major budget tightening few years.

you aren't really proving anything here... yeah losing team goes home when they lose what does that have to do with the winning teams playing on sunday.. in 2013 we played friday night and saturday night. we still had the hotel on sunday and if the game was at 12pm they would be able to leave later that night. I experienced it first hand. it's not fair to the players.

[Mr.Right]

No. Teams who lose are traditionally sent home the next day (or that night in some sports/cases). If teams stay, the schools have to foot the bill - ala I wonder if Chicago men will stay to support the women.

Also, if they do stay to Sunday... they can't always go home Sunday night. Furthermore, if you had a Hope, Calvin, Wheaton, etc. here, the games would then be pushed to Monday and that is even more money.

Back to my original point: DII gets 5.0% of the NCAA overall operating budget and they have 1/3 or so the numbers DIII has... whose operating budget is 3.1%. Those are the cards dealt. They aren't going to change. DIII has looked into changing aspects of all their tournaments like adding a day in between - it has been talked about often. The costs have not been favorable to make such a change especially after having just come out of a major budget tightening few years.

you aren't really proving anything here... yeah losing team goes home when they lose what does that have to do with the winning teams playing on sunday.. in 2013 we played friday night and saturday night. we still had the hotel on sunday and if the game was at 12pm they would be able to leave later that night. I experienced it first hand. it's not fair to the players.

I agree and not only that I am surprised that D2 gets 5% of the overall NCAA budget and D3 only get 3.1% as D2 has WAY less teams and IMO is slowly dying out as more and more programs are leaving D2 and even NAIA to go D3..

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

No. Teams who lose are traditionally sent home the next day (or that night in some sports/cases). If teams stay, the schools have to foot the bill - ala I wonder if Chicago men will stay to support the women.

Also, if they do stay to Sunday... they can't always go home Sunday night. Furthermore, if you had a Hope, Calvin, Wheaton, etc. here, the games would then be pushed to Monday and that is even more money.

Back to my original point: DII gets 5.0% of the NCAA overall operating budget and they have 1/3 or so the numbers DIII has... whose operating budget is 3.1%. Those are the cards dealt. They aren't going to change. DIII has looked into changing aspects of all their tournaments like adding a day in between - it has been talked about often. The costs have not been favorable to make such a change especially after having just come out of a major budget tightening few years.

you aren't really proving anything here... yeah losing team goes home when they lose what does that have to do with the winning teams playing on sunday.. in 2013 we played friday night and saturday night. we still had the hotel on sunday and if the game was at 12pm they would be able to leave later that night. I experienced it first hand. it's not fair to the players.

So who knows what you want for "proof" ... but this is the rules by which Division III has chose to govern themselves. You are trying to compare to another division who governs itself under a different set of numbers budget wise and it's own rules as well. Apples and oranges on many levels.

My point about the losing team going home is that they aren't even in town when the championship game is played. The winning teams only stay one more night. You are asking for the championship teams to possibly stay two more nights. Sure, they could play a noon game, however is that fair either? To play an early game when maybe no one can watch? (I.E. football has chosen to play on Friday nights under the lights to have a better TV crowd than to play on Saturday at noon when less people will see the game.)

As for Sunday, you are ignoring the biggest issue... a lot of good soccer problems have rules about not playing on Sundays. Messiah is about the only Christian-based school I know that has chosen to allow for games to be played on Sunday. Hope, Calvin, Wheaton (both), etc. will do allow it. So... in your scenario, they are playing the games Friday and Sunday... paying for hotel rooms for at least Wednesday-Sunday... and one of the three (four) schools listed get to the title game... and can't play until Monday. That is now another night of rooms and missed class time especially at a time of year where final classes for the semester or finals in general are taking place.

Everything I have just mentioned is what presidents will tell you are reasons they will not allow for a day in between for a day off. Financial, missed class time, chance of a delay, etc.

Many say it is unfair to the student-athlete... I was once a college soccer player myself. I understand the challenges, but it happens in most sports in the NCAA for a lot of very good reasons. They even included rules to keep games from being played too soon after one another (thus why Messiah didn't go Saturday/Sunday a few weeks ago with their schedule).

It has been discussed a number of times, it has been researched and debated... it isn't going to be changed.

I agree and not only that I am surprised that D2 gets 5% of the overall NCAA budget and D3 only get 3.1% as D2 has WAY less teams and IMO is slowly dying out as more and more programs are leaving D2 and even NAIA to go D3..

DII isn't dying as much as people think. Yes, there has been a decline in numbers, but that has plateaued. Also, most of where schools are coming from to DIII is NAIA and otherwise. DII isn't as popular a destinations as it used to be for DIIIs, but it does happen occasionally as well.

And despite numbers going up or down, changing the budget distribution would take an entire NCAA vote - all three divisions. Those numbers are how it was set-up when the three divisions were formed. DI would have to be willing to give up more of it's money and DII willing to lose money or allow DIII to get a bigger piece of the pie. Lot of politics involved in that and highly doubtful it will ever happen. DIII nearly two years ago approved a measure to increase dues. Technically, they should have gotten 3.1% of that increase. However, the NCAA approved that DIII keep all of the increase. That was the solution to try and add more money to the DIII budget because it was well known asking the NCAA to bump up the percentage was basically a non-starter.

[Jim Matson]

Stock-holm. not Stuck-holm

[Mr.Right]

To much chit-chat nonsense between these 2 announcers....Focus on the game boys....You have done well all weekend