FB: New York State Bowl

[ITH radio]

Hobart has a "policy" against participating in ECACs, kind of unofficial, but it's a "since we can't do it for all sports, we can't just do it for football" kind of deal. Last time they participated was in 2003 I think. Not sure if Union has the same situation, but they certainly could file given the school's overall resources.

If IC wins the LL, you can almost guarantee they'll be shipped to Alliance. If RPI does, they are just beyond the 500 mile limit to MU, so a trip down to Doylestown would be much more likely.

[AUPepBand]

It's easy. After Union beats RPI this Saturday the Ithaca Bombers will be heading to New England to play WNE or Springfield, Union will be hosting Cortland in the NYS Bowl and RPI will play an ECAC game in the"Football Fest"in Delaware against the Salisbury/Frostburg loser.

As much as I love your prediction I'm scared of the RPI- Union game and even if Union were to win I fear that the Bombers would end up at Mount Union or Delaware Valley. As a 7-3/6-4 team (depending on Cortaca results) I would think the NCAA would make bombers play the #1 seed. I would love for you to be correct.

I think heading to Mount Union would be awesome. IDK, there's something about a game where everyone "knows" you're going to lose, and even if you do, you just throw everything you can at them. I loved, loved, loved, that Mount's first-string defense in 2007 went the whole regular season not allowing a TD, and then Ithaca hit them up for three. The loss wasn't even that big a deal to me. I know that team was better than this team, but there's something fun about those types of games

Pep understands that the 2016 Mount Union team, according to Raider fans, was sub-par; but it sure was fun, despite digging a big hole, to see the Saxons (or should Pep say Tyler Johnson) hang 45 points on the Mount!! SO what if the Raiders scored 212!!!

[D3MAFAN]

It's easy. After Union beats RPI this Saturday the Ithaca Bombers will be heading to New England to play WNE or Springfield, Union will be hosting Cortland in the NYS Bowl and RPI will play an ECAC game in the"Football Fest"in Delaware against the Salisbury/Frostburg loser.

As much as I love your prediction I'm scared of the RPI- Union game and even if Union were to win I fear that the Bombers would end up at Mount Union or Delaware Valley. As a 7-3/6-4 team (depending on Cortaca results) I would think the NCAA would make bombers play the #1 seed. I would love for you to be correct.

I think heading to Mount Union would be awesome. IDK, there's something about a game where everyone "knows" you're going to lose, and even if you do, you just throw everything you can at them. I loved, loved, loved, that Mount's first-string defense in 2007 went the whole regular season not allowing a TD, and then Ithaca hit them up for three. The loss wasn't even that big a deal to me. I know that team was better than this team, but there's something fun about those types of games

Pep understands that the 2016 Mount Union team, according to Raider fans, was sub-par; but it sure was fun, despite digging a big hole, to see the Saxons (or should Pep say Tyler Johnson) hang 45 points on the Mount!! SO what if the Raiders scored 212!!!

I would assume according to their standards, it's championship or bust. However, I agree with you, that was the most points given up since their drubbing to UWW some year's ago.

[Bartman]

All right, I have never started a topic before...so I hope I am doing this right....Before the 11/4 weekend there are 4 teams from the Liberty League(Union, Ithaca,RPI and Hobart ) and 6 teams from the E8 (Brockport, Alfred,Cortland,Hartwick,Utica and St.John Fisher) that can finish in second place , or tied for second place in their respective leagues and represent themselves in the Inaugural New York State Bowl(not totally sure on tie breakers)....there are 2 very interesting scenarios in each league where I think it is possible if Union and Brockport win out, that second place could be a three way tie at 3-2 in the LL and a 5 way tie in the E8 at 4-3, and tie breaker hell unfolds ....in any event, my question is who do you think will be in the NYS Bowl, played at the LL participant's home field?

  My guess is Alfred(5-2 in E8) vs. Hobart(3-2 in LL) at the Boz ( I need Union to win out)

So I need to revise my forecast...it looks like Cortland is in the NYS Bowl no matter what the outcome of Cortcaca ...and they will play either Ithaca(again) or Union if Union wins the Shoes....my thinking is RPI wins the Shoes(the good Engineers have to play,though) and gets the NCAA Pool A, and Ithaca gets a back to back with the Red Dragons....hmm not sure that's what the Bowl planners had in mind....might Ithaca and/or Cortland pass on such a game now that there is a 50/50 chance for a do over game? Union winning the Shoes solves everything(except for the Engineers)....ECAC game for the non NCAA/NYS Bowl LL member ?

[UfanBill]

Quote from Bartman..."ECAC game for the non NCAA/NYS Bowl LL member?"...If Union loses the shoes game they will be 7-3/3-2 LL in 3rd place. I certainly hope they would participate in the ECAC Football Fest in Delaware. To my knowledge they still have not declared interest in selection for one of these games. I tried to contact the AD to get his comment but I have not been contacted back. If Union wins the shoes RPI has declared for the ECAC. That would be the best case scenario, three LL teams in the post season. That's what the league should strive for every year. It would be a mistake in my opinion if Liberty League teams Union, Hobart, whoever, opt out of the Football Fest. It would certainly torpedo my suggestion that the LL/E8 might host the Football Fest, possibly at the Carrier Dome(that might prove impossible because of the high school playoffs) or maybe Cornell's Schoelkopt Field.

[Bombers798891]

I have a feeling Union is going to be in the NYS Bowl game.

Read the tea leaves. You have a new head coach at Ithaca who wants to build this program back up into something big. A rematch game—even with Cortland—is not going to help that. You've got a chance every year to beat Cortland.

I've bagged on the ECAC games before, but this football fest is different. I'm guessing it's something that high school players and coaches in the area are going to check out. It's a chance to expose your program to kids who you might only get a few touchpoints with. IC has declared for the ECACs. Yes, they did it when 3rd place in the LL was a possibility, but I think that's telling.

[ITH radio]

Union vs. Cortland would be a good game IMO. I do think some folks are under-estimating the Dutchmen a little bit, but we'll find out Saturday. RPI has been a bit jekyl and hyde at times, but this new FY QB is the real deal and their defense can do a lot of the same things we saw the Bombers D successfully do last wkd.

[Bombers798891]

Union vs. Cortland would be a good game IMO. I do think some folks are under-estimating the Dutchmen a little bit, but we'll find out Saturday. RPI has been a bit jekyl and hyde at times, but this new FY QB is the real deal and their defense can do a lot of the same things we saw the Bombers D successfully do last wkd.

I just don't know what to think about RPI. Their two losses make no sense to me.

Buff State has lost against the four best teams in the E8 by 18, 22, 26, and 33 points. How did RPI just no-show in the 2nd half against them? And the Hobart game. Union jumped all over them. Ithaca played them back and forth. RPI never really even threatened.

[ITH radio]

It probably had something to do with a QB injury / transition.

Trimpert had 3 INTs and passed for about 40% in the BSC and HOB losses. Marinopolous starts the IC game and has passed for 7 TDs and 1 INT since.

[dlippiel]

It probably had something to do with a QB injury / transition.

Trimpert had 3 INTs and passed for about 40% in the BSC and HOB losses. Marinopolous starts the IC game and has passed for 7 TDs and 1 INT since.

Yeah, dlip thinks this is a great point ITH. Marinopolus is a very good player and dlip is really looking forward to seeing him in person on Saturday. dlip is really happy for him (being a local kid and all) and will be a fan for his for years in Troylet. Dlip repeats his earlier setiments that he hopes the entire Engineer team falls on their asses come Saturday. NCAA spoiler and NYS Bowl or bust for the Dutchmen!!!!!

With that being said and in all seriousness, win or lose this has been an incredible year and turnaround for the Dutchmen. Coaches Behrman, Sanders, and Martin have people believing that this program has really turned around, and not for one year. There is so much to be proud of as a Dutchmen fan here in 2017!

[Bartman]

NYS Bowl is Official:

    Cortland St. Red Dragons  vs. The Dutchmen of Union

Liberty League to Crush the E8 , record between leagues is 7-8 so far...a Dutchmen win evens it to 8-8    and next year we get Buff State and will dominate in 2018

[Bombers798891]

Yep. The Bombers did not want to play in a rematch game (any rematch game, not just Cortaca II)

I said at the beginning of the season when this was announced that they were going to run into issues with rematches—though I didn't know at the time you could decline the game.  For Ithaca especially, it's absurd to think they'd derive value in playing two games in one season against teams they've been playing annually for a long time.

So, we'll see what this game brings. Two teams, both coming off rivalry game losses, I'm interested in seeing the energy level

[Bartman]

Yep. The Bombers did not want to play in a rematch game (any rematch game, not just Cortaca II)

I said at the beginning of the season when this was announced that they were going to run into issues with rematches—though I didn't know at the time you could decline the game.  For Ithaca especially, it's absurd to think they'd derive value in playing two games in one season against teams they've been playing annually for a long time.

So, we'll see what this game brings. Two teams, both coming off rivalry game losses, I'm interested in seeing the energy level

Bombers,
     Are you saying  the T-shirt concession may not run out of  500 t-shirts? I would think the Union crowd will be pumped....not so much the red dragons....I think you may be right that this bowl could be awkward if LL/E8 keep scheduling convenient OOC games....but I ,for one, wish Hobart was playing in it and I had the inaugural t-shirt    PS, good luck to the Bombers on their  ECAC match

[fisheralum91]

Bartman,
If its T-shirt selling you want.....
Im sure there are plenty of Cuck Fortland ts still floating around.
It gets harder to reproduce some of the LL teams tho...
Union wont work----Funion?

Now Hobart on the other hand.....
Fobart?   

[Caz Bombers]

NYS Bowl is Official:

    Cortland St. Red Dragons  vs. The Dutchmen of Union

Liberty League to Crush the E8 , record between leagues is 7-8 so far...a Dutchmen win evens it to 8-8    and next year we get Buff State and will dominate in 2018

Buffalo State isn't coming on board until 2019.