2017-18 All American Predictions

[Smitty Oom]

If you haven't already seen the all-region lists...

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2017-18/index


Leads me to the question of who will be the National POY, using the Region POY as the 8 candidates:

Northeast: Jake Ross, Springfield   
East: Jonathan Patron, Plattsburgh State   
Atlantic: Tyheim Monroe, Cabrini   
Middle Atlantic: Brandon Federici, Franklin and Marshall   
South: James Contreras Jr., Averett   
Great Lakes: Nate Axelrod, Ohio Wesleyan   
Central: Aston Francis, Wheaton (Ill.)   
West: Collin Olmscheid, Augsburg

I think that it really comes down to 3 'finalists' for me. Ross, Patron and Monroe. Axelrod had a great career but his team didn't make the NCAA so although he is probably a first team AA, I'll leave him off of the National POY top three. Of these three you are really splitting hairs as all of them led their team to the NCAA tourney and at least one NCAA win. I might lean Ross since he has led his team to the Final Four, but Tyheim Monroe is a Senior and giving him the award would be a great way to recognize him for being unstoppable for 4 years (I get its a 2017-2018 season award but you have to go to tiebreakers when they are as close as these 3 are, at least in my eyes).

[mailsy]

When Monroe was a freshman. I remember one of the assistant coaches said Monroe was going to break every record at Cabrini. I kinda thought at the time it's not about records it's about winning as a team. Well he exceeded all my expectations. Not only did he break records, he brought that winning as a team thing to fruition. He's a leader and a winner and as such should be considered as Player of the Year. At least in my book! 

[nescac1]

I think the first-team will end up being Ross, Patron, Monroe, Francis, and Axelrod.  Very close call for player of the year among those five, a good case could be made for any of them.  None of them had a season like, say, Flannery last year, where there ends up being a no-brainer choice, but all have very impressive resumes. 

[spwood]

I would think that Patron not playing the first semester would make him a long-shot to win POY.  But, he's only a junior so he'll be back next year!

[Greek Tragedy]

Francis put up huge numbers, but I think part of AA is winning. Wheaton didn't win anything or come close to it.

[Smitty Oom]

I would think that Patron not playing the first semester would make him a long-shot to win POY.  But, he's only a junior so he'll be back next year!

I agree, still should be 1st team AA in my eyes, like nescac1 said.

Francis put up huge numbers, but I think part of AA is winning. Wheaton didn't win anything or come close to it.

Greek I agree, but in one of the very best d3 conferences Francis led the Thunder to a 17-9 record and a 10-6 conference record. Up until ending the season on a 3 game losing streak they were in the Pool C discussion. I would say Francis was the major cog of a very above average D3 team, and his monster numbers paired with this makes him an AA in my books, and probably a 1st teamer at that.

[Greek Tragedy]

He's an AA, just not a 1st teamer, imo. We agree to disagree.

[Titan Q]

He's an AA, just not a 1st teamer, imo. We agree to disagree.

27.4 ppg
4.8 rpg
4.4 apg

Against a very tough schedule.  Those are 1st Team All-American numbers as I see it.

[Gregory Sager]

I agree with Bob. Aston Francis is a pretty clear-cut first-teamer.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Just announced  - http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/men/2018 - Please criticize at will.

[Gregory Sager]

I'd flip Francis and Roach, but otherwise no complaints. Nice job, guys.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I'd flip Francis and Roach, but otherwise no complaints. Nice job, guys.

That was heartily debated.

[Greek Tragedy]

In case anyone is interested, I conducted an All-American pool in the fantasy leagues board at the beginning of the year. We could not pick any players that were listed on D3hoops' preseason AA list. Some of us actually did fairly well if we used the All-Region teams as well. Only two of us got 3 players on the AA teams and only two of us got the Player of the Year correct. None predicted Levi winning the Rookie of the Year.  I'll be doing this pool again, but we'll use the All-Region teams for points as well as adding AA teams for bonus points.

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/men/2018

Not a lot of excitement or correct picks for All-Americans. I think to give us more opportunities, we'll be able to use All-Region teams for points and then All-American teams as bonus points.

Some of us actually did pretty well if we included the All-Region teams.

To be clear, I just counted All-American teams but listed the All-Region team results as well.

For example, in the All-Region team column, if there is a 1, they got 1st team, 2 they got 2nd team etc.

In the Pts column, if there's a 5, they got 1st team, 4-2nd team, 3-3rd team, 2-4th team and 1-honorable mention. If there's a 10, that means they got the POTY correct.

POSTER	PLAYER	TEAM	Pts	REGION
7express	Federici	F&M	1	1
7express	Kenny	Misericordia	x	1
7express	Roach	Whitworth	5	1
7express	Sanders	Wash U	5	1
7express	Walters-POTY	Alb Mag	x	1
7express	Nichols	Keene St	x	2
7express	Rose	IWU	x	2
7express	Pace	Tufts	x	4
7express	Preston-ROOKIE	Pomona-Pitzer	x	x
7express	Scadlock	Williams	x	x
7express	Simonds	Bowdoin	x	x
7express	Traub	Susquehanna	x	x
.	.	TOTAL	11	x
POSTER	PLAYER	TEAM	Pts	REGION
Greek	Axelrod-POTY	OWU	10	1
Greek	Ekekeugbor	Baruch	x	1
Greek	Kenny	Misericordia	x	1
Greek	Sanders	Wash U	5	1
Greek	Feehan	Eureka	x	2
Greek	Cooper	Cortland	x	3
Greek	Pace	Tufts	x	4
Greek	Carter	CNU	x	x
Greek	Colhoff	LeTourneau	x	x
Greek	McCarthy	Amherst	x	x
Greek	Perkins-ROOKIE	Alb Mag	x	x
Greek	Smith	Hilbert	x	x
.	.	TOTAL	15	x
POSTER	PLAYER	TEAM	Pts	REGION
Grizzlies	Ekekeugbor	Baruch	x	1
Grizzlies	Kenny	Misericordia	x	1
Grizzlies	Monroe-POTY	Cabrini	x	1
Grizzlies	Sanders	Wash U	5	1
Grizzlies	Thomasson	SRS	x	1
Grizzlies	Feehan	Eureka	x	2
Grizzlies	Jomard	MIT	x	2
Grizzlies	Rapoza	Anna Maria	x	4
Grizzlies	Davis	Morrisville	x	x
Grizzlies	Jones	Hiram	x	x
Grizzlies	Moore	NC Wes	x	x
Grizzlies	Gutierrez-ROOKIE	Franklin	x	x
.	.	TOTAL	5	x
POSTER	PLAYER	TEAM	Pts	REGION
magicman	Daly	Middlebury	2	1
magicman	Ekekeugbor	Baruch	x	1
magicman	Sanders	Wash U	5	1
magicman	Stenglein	Nazareth	x	1
magicman	Howell-POTY	Whitman	x	2
magicman	Pace	Tufts	x	4
magicman	Carter	CNU	x	x
magicman	McCarthy	Amherst	x	x
magicman	Neal	Con Tex	x	x
magicman	Scadlock	Williams	x	x
magicman	Scibelli	Haverford	x	x
magicman	Williams-ROOKIE	Emory	x	x
.	.	TOTAL	7	x
POSTER	PLAYER	TEAM	Pts	REGION
NCF	Ekekeugbor	Baruch	x	1
NCF	Fails	Hanover	3	1
NCF	Sorenson-POTY	NCC	x	1
NCF	Rose	IWU	x	2
NCF	Hewitt	Whitman	x	3
NCF	Weiss	St John's	x	3
NCF	Meinholz	La Crosse	x	x
NCF	Scadlock	Williams	x	x
NCF	Simonds	Bowdoin	x	x
NCF	Sortillo	Augustana	x	x
NCF	Uzorh-ROOKIE	Trinity	x	x
NCF	Wind	Nazareth	x	x
.	.	TOTAL	3	x
POSTER	PLAYER	TEAM	Pts	REGION
nescac1	Axelrod-POTY	OWU	10	1
nescac1	Federici	F&M	1	1
nescac1	Roach	Whitworth	5	1
nescac1	Sanders	Wash U	5	1
nescac1	Murdock	TCNJ	x	2
nescac1	Nichols	Keene St	x	2
nescac1	Pace	Tufts	x	4
nescac1	Hawkins	Hope	x	x
nescac1	Jordan-ROOKIE	Nichols	x	x
nescac1	Long	Guilford	x	x
nescac1	Scadlock	Williams	x	x
nescac1	Traub	Susquehanna	x	x
.	.	TOTAL	21	x
POSTER	PLAYER	TEAM	Pts	REGION
Osprey	Daly	Middlebury	2	1
Osprey	Roach	Whitworth	5	1
Osprey	Bonacum-POTY	Ramapo	x	2
Osprey	Nichols	Keene St	x	2
Osprey	Cooper	Cortland	x	3
Osprey	Pace	Tufts	x	4
Osprey	Long	Guilford	x	x
Osprey	McCarthy	Amherst	x	x
Osprey	Perkins-ROOKIE	Alb Mag	x	x
Osprey	Sortillo	Augustana	x	x
Osprey	Traub	Susquehanna	x	x
Osprey	Tyler	Whitewater	x	x
.	.	TOTAL	7	x
POSTER	PLAYER	TEAM	Pts	REGION
ronk	Light	Leb Valley	x	1
ronk	Rupkus-POTY	Skidmore	x	1
ronk	Brown	E Conn	x	2
ronk	Murdock	TCNJ	x	2
ronk	Nichols	Keene St	x	2
ronk	Orr	Leb Valley	x	2
ronk	Rose	IWU	x	2
ronk	Schimonitz	Neb Wes	x	3
ronk	Pace	Tufts	x	4
ronk	McCarthy	Amherst	x	x
ronk	Neal	Con Tex	x	x
ronk	Robinson-ROOKIE	Amherst	x	x
.	.	TOTAL	0	x
POSTER	PLAYER	TEAM	Pts	REGION
Smitty	Kenny	Misericordia	x	1
Smitty	Sanders	Wash U	5	1
Smitty	Howell-POTY	Whitman	x	2
Smitty	Nichols	Keene St	x	2
Smitty	Rose	IWU	x	2
Smitty	Schimonitz	Neb Wes	x	3
Smitty	Pace	Tufts	x	4
Smitty	Boll	St Thomas	x	x
Smitty	Bruton	Nichols	x	x
Smitty	Moore	NC Wes	x	x
Smitty	Neal	Con Tex	x	x
Smitty	Williams-ROOKIE	Emory	x	x
.	.	TOTAL	5	x
POSTER	PLAYER	TEAM	Pts	REGION
WUPHF	Roach	Whitworth	5	1
WUPHF	Sanders	Wash U	5	1
WUPHF	Howell-POTY	Whitman	x	2
WUPHF	Nichols	Keene St	x	2
WUPHF	Rose	IWU	x	2
WUPHF	Schimonitz	Neb Wes	x	3
WUPHF	Pace	Tufts	x	4
WUPHF	Hawkins	Hope	x	x
WUPHF	Highsmith	Wash U	x	x
WUPHF	Scadlock	Williams	x	x
WUPHF	Sortillo	Augustana	x	x
WUPHF	Williams-ROOKIE	Emory	x	x
.	.	TOTAL	10	x

So, nescac1 and I got Axelrod correct for POTY, so we each got 10 points for that. No one picked Levi for ROTY. Roach and Sanders were 1st team AA and Federici was HM, so nescac1 wins by a big amount with 21. Greek came in 2nd by picking the POTY correct and Sanders making 1st team, finishing with 15. 7express did really well, tying nescac1 with 3 players on AA teams, but failed to pick up the ROTY or POTY...thus finishing with 11.

[Greek Tragedy]

He's an AA, just not a 1st teamer, imo. We agree to disagree.

27.4 ppg
4.8 rpg
4.4 apg

Against a very tough schedule.  Those are 1st Team All-American numbers as I see it.

I'm not debating his talent. Just so we're clear. But, he averaged those points by shooting over 500 times, twice as many as the next player on his team. He also only shot just over 41%. Vinny Curta, who plays in Grinnell's system shot less than Francis, shot at a 48.9% clip, took less 3s and averaged 32.7 a game. Now, is it THAT impressive to scored 27.4 points a game when you're shooting it 20.7 times a game?  Ironically, I just used Curta's stats since they were similar. Funny how I just checked and they both averaged 20.7 shots a game.

[Gregory Sager]

How come NCF didn't get any points for Sorenson? He made third team.

He's an AA, just not a 1st teamer, imo. We agree to disagree.

27.4 ppg
4.8 rpg
4.4 apg

Against a very tough schedule.  Those are 1st Team All-American numbers as I see it.

I'm not debating his talent. Just so we're clear. But, he averaged those points by shooting over 500 times, twice as many as the next player on his team. He also only shot just over 41%. Vinny Curta, who plays in Grinnell's system shot less than Francis, shot at a 48.9% clip, took less 3s and averaged 32.7 a game. Now, is it THAT impressive to scored 27.4 points a game when you're shooting it 20.7 times a game?  Ironically, I just used Curta's stats since they were similar. Funny how I just checked and they both averaged 20.7 shots a game.

Francis shot 37% from distance, while Curta only shot 30%. That's a very big discrepancy. Francis also grabbed a rebound and a half more per game than did Curta, and had more than half again as many steals as Curta had -- and he did all of this against significantly tougher competition than Curta faced.