2018 Season - National Perspective

[Flying Weasel]

It's final: Millikin 3, North Park 0.  No red cards in this one.  Shots: NPU 28, MU 7.  SOG: NPU 9, MU 4. Corners: NPU 11, MU 0.  Fouls: NPU 11, MU 22.

[Flying Weasel]

Staten Island 16, York (N.Y.) 1

Who the hell let's their team score 16 goals.  Show some class.

21 minutes in and already trailing 3-0, York picked up a red card on a foul in the box to go down 4-0 and down to 10 men.  All eight second half goals were scored by three substitutes.

[Ejay]

Staten Island 16, York (N.Y.) 1

Who the hell let's their team score 16 goals.  Show some class.

21 minutes in and already trailing 3-0, York picked up a red card on a foul in the box to go down 4-0 and down to 10 men.  All eight second half goals were scored by three substitutes.

And?

[Flying Weasel]

Primarily, just to give a little more info on the game.

Secondly, just to mention that it wasn't starters running up the score and that York did themselves no favors by picking up a red card halfway through 1st half and playing a man down for 69 minutes.

We have this discussion about high, lopsided scores every couple years. I won't run down all the arguments from both sides, but one worthwhile question to grapple with is: What is more demeaning and disrespectful? An increasingly lopsided score or playing keep-away to avoid running up the score?

[Shooter McGavin]

Another week down and another shot at the poll. Lots of changes this time!

Shooter's 25
1. Chicago (10-0-1)
2. Messiah (8-0-1)
3. Tufts (9-0-0)
4. St. Joe's Maine (10-0-0)
5. Calvin (8-1-0)
6. Lynchburg (7-0-1)
7. CMU (7-0-2)
8. F&M (8-0-2)
9. Trinity (6-1-1)
10. MW (7-0-2)
11. Rochester (7-1-0)
12. Emory (8-1-0)
13. Kenyon (8-1-1)
14. Montclair (10-1-1)
15. Hope (9-0-0)
16. Stevens (9-1-1)
17. CT College (8-0-0)
18. Roger Williams (11-0-0)
19. CMS (9-1-0)
20. Cortland St (8-1-2)
21. St. Norbert (8-0-1)
22. CWRU (8-1-1)
23. Lycoming (8-1-1)
24. Ithaca (6-0-3)
25. Mount Union (8-0-0)

RV (No order): Luther, North Park, PSU Harrisburg, MHB, Drew, Salisbury, Oneonta St, Brockport St, St. Lawrence, Williams, Ramapo, St. Mary's, Wabash, Babson, NYU, Skidmore, Grove City, DePauw, OWU, ONU, Webster, MSOE, UWP, St. Thomas, Cornell, Loras, Gustavus Adolphus, St. John's, Tx Tyler, Willamette, Tx Dallas

[D3soccerwatcher]

Hope College quickly emerging as a national level team, after posting losing records in their last three seasons.  They just completed an east coast swing with wins over Marymount (6-0) and Wesley (3-1).  Hope College now stands at 9-0 (their best start in over two decades).  Hope is one of only six teams in the country who remain undefeated and untied.

[rudy]

Hope College quickly emerging as a national level team, after posting losing records in their last three seasons.  They just completed an east coast swing with wins over Marymount (6-0) and Wesley (3-1).  Hope College now stands at 9-0 (their best start in over two decades).  Hope is one of only six teams in the country who remain undefeated and untied.

Impressive start for coach Brandt team. We will know next game against Calvin if they are a national level team. A win would be huge for the program

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

MAF Top 25
1. Chicago
2. Messiah
3. Tufts
4. Calvin
5. St. Joe's Me
6. F&M
7. Lynchburg
8. CMU
9. Trinity
10. Emory
11. Rochester
12. Kenyon
13. MW
14. Montclair St
15. CT College
16. Stevens
17. Hope
18. Cortland St
19. Case Western
20. Lycoming
21. Loras
22. UW-Platteville
23. North Park
24. Ithaca
25. Oneonta St

[Mr.Right]

Staten Island 16, York (N.Y.) 1

Who the hell let's their team score 16 goals.  Show some class.

21 minutes in and already trailing 3-0, York picked up a red card on a foul in the box to go down 4-0 and down to 10 men.  All eight second half goals were scored by three substitutes.

Also, says that a kid got a Hat Trick in 8 minutes during the 2nd Half. Having seen teams in this league in the NCAA's in the past I am guessing York stopped playing completely after the Red Card and basically stopped working at all. I think Staten Island WENT way to far though as it is much more disrespectful to net 16 Goals against an opponent instead of just knocking the ball around the park. Staten Island has had a couple respectable losses against 2 NJAC sides and have hammered everyone in their league. They go up to Amherst in a week so I wonder of they can give them a game. Amherst beating Staten Island could be a better Win than it looks as it will give Amherst a Win against a NCAA team that Wins its Conference. The committee puts to much emphasis on that stuff IMO but it is what it is.

[NESCAC43]

D3soccer.com Men's Top 25, Week 5
Through games of Sunday, September 30, 2018

#   School (1st Pl. Votes)   Record   Pts.   Prev.
1   Chicago (17)   10-0-1   985   1
2   Messiah (2)   8-0-1   954   2
3   Calvin   8-1-0   895   4
4   Tufts   9-0-0   872   5
5   Lynchburg (1)   7-0-1   834   7
6   St. Joseph's (Me.) (1)   10-0-0   758   9
7   Emory   8-1-0   730   3
8   Carnegie Mellon   7-0-2   653   13
9   Trinity (Texas)   8-1-1   650   6
10   Franklin & Marshall   8-0-2   611   10
11   Mary Washington   7-0-2   533   12
12   Rochester   7-1-0   501   14
13   Connecticut Col.   8-0-0   487   21
14   Hope   9-0-0   477   19
15   Kenyon   8-1-1   463   8
16   Case Western Res.   8-1-1   406   23
17   North Park   7-2-0   359   11
18   Ithaca   6-0-3   282   20
19   Stevens   9-1-1   260   24
20   St. Lawrence   5-1-2   208   25
21   Lycoming   8-1-1   202   —
22   UW-Platteville   7-0-1   198   —
23   Claremont-M-S   9-1-0   197   15
24   Cortland State   8-1-2   185   16
25   Luther   9-2-0   94   18
Dropped out: No. 17 St. Thomas, No. 22 Ramapo

Receiving Votes: Ramapo 70, Montclair State 63, Roger Williams 61, Drew 61, St. Thomas 55, St. Norbert 27, Williams 23, Mount Union 21, Loras 17, Ohio Northern 17, Colorado College 15, Illinois Wesleyan 13, Johns Hopkins 13, Penn State-Harrisburg 11, Chapman 11, Occidental 8, Ohio Wesleyan 8, New Paltz State 6, Macalester 6, Salisbury 6, Norwich 6, Eastern Connecticut 2, Brockport State 2, Willamette 2, Cornell 2


NESCAC is down this year with only two in the top 25. They used to perennially have 4-6 in the top 25. 5 UAA teams in the top 16 is crazy.

[Bobcat1]

NESCAC43 you are only looking at the D3Soccer.com Poll. Let's look at some others:
1) Bennett Rankings: NESCAC with 5 teams in top 20 with Conn #1, Tufts #4, Amherst #14, Williams #16, Midd #18 (Hamilton #25)
2) Massey Ratings: NESCAC with 5 teams in top 20 with Conn #2, Tufts #3, Williams #18, Amherst #19, Hamilton #20 (Midd #28, Bates #29)

I'm not sure I agree the conference is down. Scoring is down. As Mr. Right has pointed out many times, its a defense first mentality in the conference games.

[Flying Weasel]

The NESCAC has always been one of the strongest/deepest conferences, top three if not top every year.  Nevertheless, I'd challenge you to find a Top 25 that had more than four NESCAC teams.  You couldn't have more than four in the coaches (formerly NSCAA, now USC) Top 25 during the regular season because of how they take the regional #1's, than the #2's and #3's and finally one regional #4.  So the most teams the NESCAC could have ranked nationally by the coaches is four.  That artificial limit doesn't exist with the D3soccer.com Top 25 (which started in 2009), but I still know that IF it happened, it was a rare occurrence and nothing regular.  I wouldn't say it never happened, but I'm doubtful. 

[Christan Shirk]

If I'm not mistaken, in the 10-year history of the D3soccer.com Top 25, only once has the NESCAC had five teams ranked.  That occurred in the 2011 week 2 poll (the first poll of the season).  By week 5, only two NESCAC teams were ranked.  Even having four NESCAC teams ranked has been very rare, only happening several times in all those years.  And most of those occurrences came in four straight weeks (weeks 6 thru 9) in 2009, the inaugural year of our Top 25. The fact is, having two NESCAC teams ranked is most typical, occurring well more than 50% of the time--I'd guess at least two-thirds of the time. I didn't do a count, but surprisingly having one NESCAC team ranked seemed to happen a little more often than having three teams ranked.

Our Top 25 archives can be found and reviewed here: http://www.d3soccer.com/top25/men/archive  The 2009 year is still missing--that was before our current website was launched--but adding the 2009 rankings it's on my list of things to do in my "retirement" from day-to-day involvement in the website.

[Brother Flounder]

I'd be interested to hear what readers think the best conference has been over the past 5 years or past 10 years.    The same with the best program over the past 5 or 10 years.  I have my thoughts and will weigh in later but wifey is calling!!!

[blooter442]

I have my thoughts and will weigh in later but wifey is calling!!!