2018 Season - National Perspective

[Mr.Right]

Cortland advances past Oneonta in PK's.....After watching that I would not want to face Cortland in PK's as they went 4/5 but the miss was just off the post. The other 4 were perfectly hit...The Cortland GK saved 2 and is athletic...They got a good team this year for sure and they will be home for at least one weekend...Oneonta 10-4-5 and not sure even with the Draw how they get in...Although you have to figure that the East teams will quickly be taken off the board...Cortland,UR,SLU should easily go and then maybe a little back and forth on NYU. I assume New Paltz drops a spot and possibly Oneonta takes it. So they would be next in line to get "discussed" for a Pool C.....610 SOS and 2-3-2 RvR is not bad....I think 2 SUNYAC teams probably get in....Both teams looked like NCAA teams to me...

[PaulNewman]

Gustavus loses to Augsburg.  Shakes up the North a bit.

[TheGreenKnight920]

What do you all make of teams like St. Joes (ME), Salve and SNC, who are undefeated, but not highly ranked regionally? Does a conference tourney loss bump them out of a Pool C bid?

[Gregory Sager]

POOL C is filling up quick...

NESCAC (3):  Tufts, Conn, Wiliams/Amherst/Midd
UAA (4/5):  Rochester, Chicago/CWRU, CMU, NYU with WashU on the bubble
Centennial (2):  Definitely two with Dickinson on the outside of the bubble.
NJAC (1/2):  Finalist and a potential third on the outside looking in...
SUNYAC: two-bid league
CCIW:  two-bid league
OAC: could be a two-bid league with JC and Capital vying for AQ

CCIW a two-bid league?  Even if North Park wins the CCIW tournament/AQ?  I'm not seeing Carthage getting in without the AQ even with a win tonight.  Wheaton is a little tougher to call if they win tonight to reach the final because it would be another win and another win vs. a ranked opponent.  I'd have to look over the full Pool C picture to really form an opinion, but I guess a fourth win vs. ranked could be enough.

I can't imagine Carthage getting a Pool C berth under any circumstances.

Wheaton will only have three RRO wins, not four, if it beats Carthage tonight and loses to North Park on Saturday. And that's even if Carthage holds on to the seventh and final Central Region slot, in spite of losing at home tonight, when the committee fashions the final ranking. That is by no means guaranteed. One of Wheaton's three current RRO wins was over Millikin, which is no longer ranked and will not re-enter the final rankings, either. My read, and I don't claim to be an expert on how this current iteration of the national committee operates with regard to weighing criteria, is that Wheaton would be a longshot for a Pool C berth if it won tonight and lost on Saturday at NPU.

[rudy]

What do you all make of teams like St. Joes (ME), Salve and SNC, who are undefeated, but not highly ranked regionally? Does a conference tourney loss bump them out of a Pool C bid?t

Others with more knowledge will chime in but it's team is not at lest in the upper half of the regional ranking they have no shot at pool C.  So a team like St Joe's toward bottom of 12 team region playing remaining games against non ranked teams isn't going to suddenly jump to the top half. They have to get the AQ

[Flying Weasel]

POOL C is filling up quick...

NESCAC (3):  Tufts, Conn, Wiliams/Amherst/Midd
UAA (4/5):  Rochester, Chicago/CWRU, CMU, NYU with WashU on the bubble
Centennial (2):  Definitely two with Dickinson on the outside of the bubble.
NJAC (1/2):  Finalist and a potential third on the outside looking in...
SUNYAC: two-bid league
CCIW:  two-bid league
OAC: could be a two-bid league with JC and Capital vying for AQ

CCIW a two-bid league?  Even if North Park wins the CCIW tournament/AQ?  I'm not seeing Carthage getting in without the AQ even with a win tonight.  Wheaton is a little tougher to call if they win tonight to reach the final because it would be another win and another win vs. a ranked opponent.  I'd have to look over the full Pool C picture to really form an opinion, but I guess a fourth win vs. ranked could be enough.

I can't imagine Carthage getting a Pool C berth under any circumstances.

Wheaton will only have three RRO wins, not four, if it beats Carthage tonight and loses to North Park on Saturday. And that's even if Carthage holds on to the seventh and final Central Region slot, in spite of losing at home tonight, when the committee fashions the final ranking. That is by no means guaranteed. One of Wheaton's three current RRO wins was over Millikin, which is no longer ranked and will not re-enter the final rankings, either. My read, and I don't claim to be an expert on how this current iteration of the national committee operates with regard to weighing criteria, is that Wheaton would be a longshot for a Pool C berth if it won tonight and lost on Saturday at NPU.

Yes, you are absolutely correct that Wheaton loses the win versus ranked with Millikin dropping out this week. So they'll only have 3. However, any result against teams ranked in today's rankings is there to stay regardless if those opponents would drop out of the final rankings.  That was the new definition of results versus ranked that was implemented last season.  It's results against teams ranked in the  final ranking and the ranking preceding the final ranking.  Today's ranking is the one preceding the final ranking.

[Flying Weasel]

What do you all make of teams like St. Joes (ME), Salve and SNC, who are undefeated, but not highly ranked regionally? Does a conference tourney loss bump them out of a Pool C bid?t

Others with more knowledge will chime in but it's team is not at lest in the upper half of the regional ranking they have no shot at pool C.  So a team like St Joe's toward bottom of 12 team region playing remaining games against non ranked teams isn't going to suddenly jump to the top half. They have to get the AQ

Well, it's not quite that strict.  Some regions will go deeper than others and a smaller region with a bunch of strong teams (e.g. South Atlantic) can easily see more than just the top half get in.  It's probably safer to say that a team usually needs to be in the top half to two-thirds of the regional rankings, depending on the strength/depth of the region, to have a shot.  And upsets in the conference tournament affect this some as well.  As the number of conference champions that are unranked increases, the higher up the rankings a team is going o need to be to get in.

[D3bandwagon]

Speaking as a novice to the forum, is there a certain amount of at large bids that each region receives? Size matters as some are ranked to lower number but did not know if there is any history showing at large bids per region(s)?

[Gregory Sager]

Yes, you are absolutely correct that Wheaton loses the win versus ranked with Millikin dropping out this week. So they'll only have 3. However, any result against teams ranked in today's rankings is there to stay regardless if those opponents would drop out of the final rankings.  That was the new definition of results versus ranked that was implemented last season.  It's results against teams ranked in the  final ranking and the ranking preceding the final ranking.  Today's ranking is the one preceding the final ranking.

Good point. I'd forgotten about that rule change.

Speaking as a novice to the forum, is there a certain amount of at large bids that each region receives? Size matters as some are ranked to lower number but did not know if there is any history showing at large bids per region(s)?

I don't know as to whether or not someone's compiled the history you're seeking, but I can tell you that there are no region-based limitations on Pool C (at-large) berths. A single region could theoretically gobble up every available Pool C bid (although the odds of that happening are astronomical), or it could garner zero Pool C bids.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Not getting a bid in a region is pretty common in a lot of sports... but as Sager said, there are no limits or numbers given to how many can be selected from a region. We left that system (which is similar to DII, who have no AQs though [I believe; I know there are none in basketball]) a very long time ago (sad... it's a long time ago ... and I remember it).

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

An unusual goal is an unusual goal in any language.

What the F--- was that goalie thinking?! JEEZ!

As a former goalie (though, always at heart) ... I would have been more than embarrassed to give that one up. Not to take anything away from the strike. That was a beaut for a shot... but COME ON MAN!

[Gregory Sager]

Words to that effect were some of the first words out of my mouth on the air, Dave: "What in the world was Cammarano thinking? What was he doing out at the edge of the box while there was a loose ball at midfield?"

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Words to that effect were some of the first words out of my mouth on the air, Dave: "What in the world was Cammarano thinking? What was he doing out at the edge of the box while there was a loose ball at midfield?"

How many pauses were there for you to self-censor yourself?

[Gregory Sager]

The only pause was to catch my breath after screaming about the improbable goal that Ulrik Lund had just sent into the back of the net from 55 yards out. Then I started in on Cammarano.

I did cut myself off after a couple of moments of calling out Cammarano on his gaffe, though, because I was starting to feel sorry for him.

Me, feeling sorry for a Wheatie. I am definitely losing my edge.

[Mr.Right]

Is Live Stats correct that Stevenson is holding Messiah 0-0 almost midway 2nd Half?


This is the school that I swear took Messiah to OT a couple years ago and busted their ass all game only to give up the losing goal in OT...Maybe 2016 or 2015.