WBB: Coast-To-Coast Athletic Conference

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

Copying and pasting from Darryl Nester for Mid-Atlantic Region, so I can keep track of this region more easily.  Thanks for posting this morning!

Region#   D3Hoops#   Pts
#1   #28     29   Messiah           19-4      won at Stevenson, 65-49
#2   #22     92   Gettysburg   20-2      def. McDaniel, 71-57; 02/15 at Washington College
#3   #16   251   Scranton           19-3      def. Moravian, 64-57; 02/15 at Juniata
#4   #38      4   Chris Newport   19-4      def. St. Mary's (Md.), 89-49; 02/15 vs. Salisbury
#5   #26     30   Albright           19-3      LOST at Widener, 68-69; 02/15 vs. Lycoming
#6    NR            Widener            18-4    def. Albright, 69-68; 02/15 vs Albernia

     

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Remember ... week to week results certainly get put into the data for the next rankings, but where teams are ranked is scrubbed and the RACs and national committee start over.

So just because a team is #2 doesn't mean that's where they start and whether they move is discussed.

Everyone is off the table and they start from scratch each week.

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

class act by Salisbury WBB allowing injured senior K. Kirkland to score first 2 points of game!!

[CNU85]

class act by Salisbury WBB allowing injured senior K. Kirkland to score first 2 points of game!!

I missed it! Dang it! I was changing out of my suit to enjoy the games in comfort! That is indeed a class act! Nicely done Seagulls!

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

multiple players' teary eye during beginning of game.  also, "jaz" wore #5 for game in honor of Kiana

[CNU85]

and in the men's game since there were 6 seniors, when the starting lineups were announced, they introduced #10 Luther Gibbs but #4 Dalon McHugh made his way to center court.

[Swish3]

I think CNU has a decent shot at being #3 in today's regional rankings...we'll see soon enough.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The second week Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-second

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

Widener gets #3 over CNU?   CNU NCAA SOS & Record % > Widener SOS & Record %.
I guess we will have to see how MAC tourney shakes out with Messiah, Widener & Albright

[Swish3]

Widener jumps from #6 to #3, while CNU remains at #4...looks like Widener is getting the nod over CNU for their results versus all division ranked opponents.   

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The differences in WL% (one win) and SOS (.010) between CNU and Widener are very close ... the committees could be washing those out and looking elsewhere. The fact Widener is 4-3 in vRRO compared to CNU's 2-3 is noticeable, though I would have to dive into see what teams those are wins and losses against for both teams.

Edit: Widener's win over Messiah is a significant win. Yes, they have a loss as well, but the win is helping.

There are also comparable opponents and head to head ... while h2h isn't a factor, common opponents could also be playing a role.

Remember, there are five primary criteria ... plus items like non-conference SOS in the secondary criteria that can play a role in all of this. Not just WL%, SOS, or vRRO.

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

i get NCAA has their methodology and criteria but all polls (d3hoops, WBCA and Massey) ranked them outside #37. Widener did not get single point in either D3hoops or WBCA polls; Massey had them at rating=58 and power=78.  albright is ahead of widener in their conference.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

i get NCAA has their methodology and criteria but all polls (d3hoops, WBCA and Massey) ranked them outside #37. Widener did not get single point in either D3hoops or WBCA polls; Massey had them at rating=58 and power=78.  albright is ahead of widener in their conference.

NCAA criteria is what all committees in all sports in DIII use. The criteria is approved and modified by Division III itself. There are several committees that look at these things and they are manned by DIII coaches and administrators.

But the NCAA on the whole works this way because that's how they, the membership, have determined they will do things. The DI men's tournament has nothing do with Massey or the Associated Press Top 25 either.

This is how this has worked for eons ... not sure why this is a surprise.

NCAA criteria is spelled out. We have an FAQ section that has answers and we talk about it on Hoopsville. Happy to help explain it ... but trying to use massey, D3hoops or WBCA polls as some way to compare is where you will lose the argument ... it doesn't matter other than the criteria we all know is being used and all know how it's used.

[CNU85]

i get NCAA has their methodology and criteria but all polls (d3hoops, WBCA and Massey) ranked them outside #37. Widener did not get single point in either D3hoops or WBCA polls; Massey had them at rating=58 and power=78.  albright is ahead of widener in their conference.

NCAA criteria is what all committees in all sports in DIII use. The criteria is approved and modified by Division III itself. There are several committees that look at these things and they are manned by DIII coaches and administrators.

But the NCAA on the whole works this way because that's how they, the membership, have determined they will do things. The DI men's tournament has nothing do with Massey or the Associated Press Top 25 either.

This is how this has worked for eons ... not sure why this is a surprise.

NCAA criteria is spelled out. We have an FAQ section that has answers and we talk about it on Hoopsville. Happy to help explain it ... but trying to use massey, D3hoops or WBCA polls as some way to compare is where you will lose the argument ... it doesn't matter other than the criteria we all know is being used and all know how it's used.

haha....heck if I know how it's used! I don't even know the criteria. Never really paid attention to it. I just read the rankings and say, "Huh. Interesting". Then I go about my business. Open a beer. Take out the trash. 

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

The differences in WL% (one win) and SOS (.010) between CNU and Widener are very close ... the committees could be washing those out and looking elsewhere. The fact Widener is 4-3 in vRRO compared to CNU's 2-3 is noticeable, though I would have to dive into see what teams those are wins and losses against for both teams.

Edit: Widener's win over Messiah is a significant win. Yes, they have a loss as well, but the win is helping.

There are also comparable opponents and head to head ... while h2h isn't a factor, common opponents could also be playing a role.

Remember, there are five primary criteria ... plus items like non-conference SOS in the secondary criteria that can play a role in all of this. Not just WL%, SOS, or vRRO.

by my count, common opponents CNU (6-1) v Widener (5-2).  so it must be vRRO difference (0.571 > 0.4) that got the nod.