WBB: Coast-To-Coast Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

The differences in WL% (one win) and SOS (.010) between CNU and Widener are very close ... the committees could be washing those out and looking elsewhere. The fact Widener is 4-3 in vRRO compared to CNU's 2-3 is noticeable, though I would have to dive into see what teams those are wins and losses against for both teams.

Edit: Widener's win over Messiah is a significant win. Yes, they have a loss as well, but the win is helping.

There are also comparable opponents and head to head ... while h2h isn't a factor, common opponents could also be playing a role.

Remember, there are five primary criteria ... plus items like non-conference SOS in the secondary criteria that can play a role in all of this. Not just WL%, SOS, or vRRO.

by my count, common opponents CNU (6-1) v Widener (5-2).  so it must be vRRO difference (0.571 > 0.4) that got the nod.

Results vRRO typically isn't considered on a percentage basis like that. It would be:

Widener
1-1 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 1
1-0 vs. Atlantic No. 2
0-1 vs. Northeast No. 2
1-1 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 5
1-0 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 7

Christopher Newport
0-1 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 1
0-1 vs. Northeast No. 1
0-1 vs. South No. 3
2-0 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 7

I believe I captured all this correctly. This is definitely a factor which favors Widener.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

What Pat said ... that's how it really is interrupted. It isn't "WL% versus Regionally Ranked Opponents."

It's "Results versus Regionally Ranked Opponents."

"Results" is key ... the committees look at: who they played; how they did against them; how many games were there; how many at the top of rankings, middle, or bottom of rankings; and other items other than "what is the percentage of games won or lost."

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

The differences in WL% (one win) and SOS (.010) between CNU and Widener are very close ... the committees could be washing those out and looking elsewhere. The fact Widener is 4-3 in vRRO compared to CNU's 2-3 is noticeable, though I would have to dive into see what teams those are wins and losses against for both teams.

Edit: Widener's win over Messiah is a significant win. Yes, they have a loss as well, but the win is helping.

There are also comparable opponents and head to head ... while h2h isn't a factor, common opponents could also be playing a role.

Remember, there are five primary criteria ... plus items like non-conference SOS in the secondary criteria that can play a role in all of this. Not just WL%, SOS, or vRRO.

by my count, common opponents CNU (6-1) v Widener (5-2).  so it must be vRRO difference (0.571 > 0.4) that got the nod.

Results vRRO typically isn't considered on a percentage basis like that. It would be:

Widener
1-1 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 1
1-0 vs. Atlantic No. 2
0-1 vs. Northeast No. 2
1-1 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 5
1-0 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 7

Christopher Newport
0-1 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 1
0-1 vs. Northeast No. 1
0-1 vs. South No. 3
2-0 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 7

I believe I captured all this correctly. This is definitely a factor which favors Widener.

for common opponents, gap favors CNU +0.161 while vRRO CNU is -0.171
so this favors CNU (but not enough?)

the breakdown does not matter but here is what i captured.  caveat CAC #2 and #4 were decided by coin flip on Wed

Widener (0.714)
1-0 vs CAC #2
1-0 vs CAC #4
1-0 vs CAC #6

1-1 vs MAC #1
1-1 vs MAC #6

CNU (0.875)
6-0 vs CAC #2,#4,#6
0-1 vs MAC #1
1-0 vs MAC #6

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The breakdown actually does matter ... there is only ONE thing the committee looks at basically as a percentage: win-loss percentage in the primary criteria (overall win-loss percentage in the secondary if it is different).

Almost nothing else is a percentage in terms of wins/losses... they look at the body of work. Results and everything. Not a straight percentage.

You are trying to simplicize something that is far more complicated and it is causing you to go in the wrong direction.

[Pat Coleman]

Results against common opponents is definitely part of the criteria. I have never heard of them breaking it down that way with results against common opponents, but I don't think they would read it the same way you did.

You ascribe an advantage to CNU because they played the CAC teams twice. I'm not sure the committee would. I would look at it this way:

CNU and Widener each went undefeated against the CAC 2, 4 and 6. That's a wash. And they combined to go .500 against the MAC 1 and the MAC 6. That could be considered a wash -- not as easily, but potentially.

And again, Widener beat a regional No. 1 and a regional No. 2. That's a big advantage that will catch the eye of any committee when compared with a team whose best regionally ranked win is against a regional No. 7.

[Swish3]

Congratulations to Sondra Fan, Natalie Terwilliger and Anaya Simmons who were voted All-CAC 1st Team, All-CAC 2nd Team and CAC Rookie of the Year respectively...well done, ladies!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Women's third regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-third

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

looking forward to both York squads coming down to a packed Freeman Center for CAC Championship Showdown on Saturday.  Both should be close games but looking forward to seeing 2 more CAC Championship banners!!

[Swish3]

looking forward to both York squads coming down to a packed Freeman Center for CAC Championship Showdown on Saturday.  Both should be close games but looking forward to seeing 2 more CAC Championship banners!!

Me too!

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

Congrats to CNU WBB for 2nd consecutive CAC regular and tournament championships.  Perfect CAC season does not come around often

[CNU85]

Congrats to CNU WBB for 2nd consecutive CAC regular and tournament championships.  Perfect CAC season does not come around often

Nope. The last time was 2008. the team finished 30-1. I have a basketball in my office from that season. Signed by the team that featured Chelsea Schweers. She was at the game Saturday. I chatted with her briefly about Australia where she is playing professionally. Since my daughter just married an Aussie there might be a road trip to see Chelsea play! I mentioned that if she looked into the stands and saw CNU gear, it was me. She laughed and said "Do it! That would be sick!" Hmmm.....road trip anyone? 

[CNU85]

Had to laugh...Selection show....the host said when the CNU senior class were freshman......

you mean the one senior, who is injured?

At least he mentioned Captains Chaos!

[ronk]

Had to laugh...Selection show....the host said when the CNU senior class were freshman......

you mean the one senior, who is injured?

At least he mentioned Captains Chaos!

At least they know the way to Scranton.   

[CNU85]

Had to laugh...Selection show....the host said when the CNU senior class were freshman......

you mean the one senior, who is injured?

At least he mentioned Captains Chaos!

At least they know the way to Scranton.   

That was an awesome game!

[ronk]

Had to laugh...Selection show....the host said when the CNU senior class were freshman......

you mean the one senior, who is injured?

At least he mentioned Captains Chaos!

At least they know the way to Scranton.   

That was an awesome game!

Probability is that we'll get to do it again in the 2nd round.