2019 D3 Men's Soccer National Perspective

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Mid-Atlantic Fan

MAF Top 25
1. Tufts
2. Calvin
3. Amherst
4. Kenyon
5. F&M
6. Loras
7. Middlebury
8. Hardin Simmons
9. Hopkins
10. Oneonta St
11. John Carroll
12. RPI
13. Ithaca
14. W&L
15. Hobart
16. PSU Behrend
17. Conn College
18. Rochester
19. Messiah
20. Mary Wash
21. Cortland St
22. UW-Whitewater
23. Roanoke
24. Rowan
25. W. New England
RV: Western Conn, Eastern Conn, St. Joe's (Me), Bowdoin, Mass Boston, MIT, Wesleyan, Buff St, Union, Gettysburg, Catholic, Stevens, Swarthmore, Muhlenberg, Stockton, Salisbury, Camden, TCNJ, Ramapo, Centre, CNU, Mount Union, ONU, Capital, Chicago, North Park, Adrian, Kalamazoo, Wheaton, Central, Simpson, Carleton, Gustavus Adolphus, Luther, Dubuque, Tx Dallas, Southwestern, CMS

Buck O.

Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on September 30, 2019, 01:16:00 PM
MAF Top 25
1. Tufts
2. Calvin
3. Amherst
4. Kenyon
5. F&M
6. Loras
7. Middlebury
8. Hardin Simmons
9. Hopkins
10. Oneonta St
11. John Carroll
12. RPI
13. Ithaca
14. W&L
15. Hobart
16. PSU Behrend
17. Conn College
18. Rochester
19. Messiah
20. Mary Wash
21. Cortland St
22. UW-Whitewater
23. Roanoke
24. Rowan
25. W. New England
RV: Western Conn, Eastern Conn, St. Joe's (Me), Bowdoin, Mass Boston, MIT, Wesleyan, Buff St, Union, Gettysburg, Catholic, Stevens, Swarthmore, Muhlenberg, Stockton, Salisbury, Camden, TCNJ, Ramapo, Centre, CNU, Mount Union, ONU, Capital, Chicago, North Park, Adrian, Kalamazoo, Wheaton, Central, Simpson, Carleton, Gustavus Adolphus, Luther, Dubuque, Tx Dallas, Southwestern, CMS

I was wondering what you see in WNEC.  All seven of their wins are against teams that aren't in Massey's top 250.  They have a close loss to Babson and a tie against Brandeis, which might be good results for a team ranked in the 100s but not for a #25.

Shooter McGavin

#137
Shooter's Power Rankings
1. Tufts
2. Amherst
3. Calvin
4. Kenyon
5. F&M
6. Oneonta St
7. Hopkins
8. Chicago
9. Messiah
10. John Carroll
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11. Hobart
12. Ithaca
13. Loras
14. Rochester
15. W&L
16. Middlebury
17. Cortland St
18. Rowan
19. Conn College
20. Mary Wash
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21. Hardin-Simmons
22. PSU Behrend
23. Catholic
24. St. Joe's (Me)
T25. RPI/Roanoke/Eastern Conn

NE: 6 teams
East 6 teams
MA: 4 teams
SA: 4 teams
GL: 3 teams
Cent: 2 teams
North: 1 team
West: 1 team
27 total with 3 coming in at T25

I view it in 3 tiers. The first tier are the title contenders, the second tier the competitors, and the third tier is everchanging and can make a run at it but unlikely.

discnerd

Discnerd's Top 25


RankingTeamRatingConference
1Mary Washington7.464111CAC
2Amherst7.172172NESCAC
3Tufts6.804878NESCAC
4Washington and Lee6.46249ODAC
5Johns Hopkins6.303254CC
6Roanoke6.280562ODAC
7Covenant5.790168USAC
8Calvin4.774913MIAA
9Christopher Newport4.746544CAC
10Hardin-Simmons4.704277ASC
11Catholic4.607719LAND
12Loras4.53231ARC
13Connecticut College4.529007NESCAC
14Eastern Connecticut4.34873LEC
15Gustavus Adolphus4.082904MIAC
16Middlebury4.080217NESCAC
17Gettysburg4.028624CC
18Franklin and Marshall4.027184CC
19Messiah3.986144MACC
20Oglethorpe3.818965SAA
21Oneonta State3.630584SUNYAC
22Rutgers-Camden3.443313NJAC
23Hobart3.373135LL
24Ithaca3.359468LL
25RPI3.355243LL

Rating is found by having a large number of voters voting for their first place team.  Have each voter look at the outcome of a randomly chosen game their team has played.  They switch to the other team with a probability related to the margin of victory of the game.  Do that several thousand times for all voters and the distribution of voters settles to a steady state.  Rating is normalized so that each team starts with one voter.


Full rankings are linked to from the post that is linked in the title.

Ejay

Looks like Christopher Newport is officially back.  Big 2-0 win over #11 UMW to push them to 6-1-3 on the year - which really should be 7-0-2 if not for some horrible officiating in Texas.

rudy

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 01, 2019, 12:51:39 PM
Shooter's Power Rankings
1. Tufts
2. Amherst
3. Calvin
4. Kenyon
5. F&M
6. Oneonta St
7. Hopkins
8. Chicago
9. Messiah
10. John Carroll
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11. Hobart
12. Ithaca
13. Loras
14. Rochester
15. W&L
16. Middlebury
17. Cortland St
18. Rowan
19. Conn College
20. Mary Wash
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21. Hardin-Simmons
22. PSU Behrend
23. Catholic
24. St. Joe's (Me)
T25. RPI/Roanoke/Eastern Conn

NE: 6 teams
East 6 teams
MA: 4 teams
SA: 4 teams
GL: 3 teams
Cent: 2 teams
North: 1 team
West: 1 team
27 total with 3 coming in at T25

I view it in 3 tiers. The first tier are the title contenders, the second tier the competitors, and the third tier is everchanging and can make a run at it but unlikely.


Based on the results since 2004 you are a pretty safe bet if you include Messiah and top of NESCAC in the top tier. Only in 2011 did a team outside that group win the national championship. Calvin and Chicago have  been knocking on the door so maybe this is their year.  But I wouldn't be surprised if recent history repeats itself. Should be an  entertaining tournament.

Shooter McGavin

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 01, 2019, 12:51:39 PM
Shooter's Power Rankings
1. Tufts
2. Amherst
3. Calvin
4. Kenyon
5. F&M
6. Oneonta St
7. Hopkins
8. Chicago
9. Messiah
10. John Carroll
-------------------------
11. Hobart
12. Ithaca
13. Loras
14. Rochester
15. W&L
16. Middlebury
17. Cortland St
18. Rowan
19. Conn College
20. Mary Wash
--------------------------
21. Hardin-Simmons
22. PSU Behrend
23. Catholic
24. St. Joe's (Me)
T25. RPI/Roanoke/Eastern Conn

NE: 6 teams
East 6 teams
MA: 4 teams
SA: 4 teams
GL: 3 teams
Cent: 2 teams
North: 1 team
West: 1 team
27 total with 3 coming in at T25

I view it in 3 tiers. The first tier are the title contenders, the second tier the competitors, and the third tier is everchanging and can make a run at it but unlikely.

Shooter's Power Rankings 10/7
1. Tufts
2. Amherst
3. Calvin
4. Kenyon
5. F&M
6. Oneonta St
7. Hopkins
8. Chicago
9. Messiah
10. Ithaca
-------------------------
11. RPI
12. W&L
13. John Carroll
14. PSU Behrend
15. Roanoke
16. Middlebury
17. Rochester
18. Catholic
19. Conn College
20. Loras
--------------------------
21. Hardin-Simmons
22. Hobart
23. Cortland
24. St. Joe's (Me)
T25. Rowan/Mary Wash

NE: 5 teams
East 6 teams
MA: 4 teams
SA: 4 teams
GL: 3 teams
Cent: 2 teams
North: 1 team
West: 1 team
26 total with 2 coming in at T25


discnerd

Discnerd's top 25 (No blog post yet)


RankingTeamRatingConference
1Amherst8.36372NESCAC
2Johns Hopkins6.43538CC
3Tufts5.77251NESCAC
4Mary Washington5.70079CAC
5Calvin5.56714MIAA
6Christopher Newport5.54331CAC
7Washington and Lee5.41844ODAC
8Covenant5.21568USAC
9Roanoke5.19344ODAC
10Franklin and Marshall4.37823CC
11Connecticut College4.26196NESCAC
12Middlebury4.2084NESCAC
13Oneonta State3.98324SUNYAC
14Catholic3.88338LAND
15Gettysburg3.87416CC
16Chicago3.67177UAA
17Ithaca3.64101LL
18Hardin-Simmons3.58038ASC
19Rowan3.53541NJAC
20Oglethorpe3.5039SAA
21Bates3.46997NESCAC
22RPI3.46353LL
23Claremont-Mudd-Scripps3.31492SCIAC
24Messiah3.30124MACC
25Ohio Wesleyan3.18641NCAC

Mr.Right

Upset special for tonight....Keene State travels to Troy,NY and gives RPI its 2nd loss of the season...

Mr.Right

Upset Special in games I have absolutely no insight on.........St.Mary's(MD) will travel to Christopher Newport and defeat the Captains for the first time in over a decade...

Mid-Atlantic Fan

Quote from: Mr.Right on October 09, 2019, 01:14:38 PM
Upset special for tonight....Keene State travels to Troy,NY and gives RPI its 2nd loss of the season...

RPI was up 3-0 in the first 25min. Think this game and the CNU game both ended 3-1. RPI seems to be the real deal this season.

Mr.Right

Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 10, 2019, 09:02:47 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 09, 2019, 01:14:38 PM
Upset special for tonight....Keene State travels to Troy,NY and gives RPI its 2nd loss of the season...

RPI was up 3-0 in the first 25min. Think this game and the CNU game both ended 3-1. RPI seems to be the real deal this season.


LOL....RPI is def for real I just thought the opposite would happen but Keene St laid an egg....12th minute PK prob did not help

St.Mary's had CNU 1-1 into the 66th minute and then collapsed...

Mid-Atlantic Fan

Quote from: Mr.Right on October 10, 2019, 10:20:57 AM
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 10, 2019, 09:02:47 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 09, 2019, 01:14:38 PM
Upset special for tonight....Keene State travels to Troy,NY and gives RPI its 2nd loss of the season...

RPI was up 3-0 in the first 25min. Think this game and the CNU game both ended 3-1. RPI seems to be the real deal this season.


LOL....RPI is def for real I just thought the opposite would happen but Keene St laid an egg....12th minute PK prob did not help

St.Mary's had CNU 1-1 into the 66th minute and then collapsed...

It was worth a shot!  :D

Mr.Right

Cortland St has looked to have hit a bit of a wall going in to today's match v Oneonta. They are sitting at  6-3-2 (2-1-1) 4th Place in SUNYAC with no Home games remaining. They play Oneonta today and then travel up to a recently improved Plattsburgh side who just swiped 6pts on the road last weekend in league play at Geneseo  and at Brockport giving up only 1 Goal all weekend.  Cortland has some decent Wins on their resume but right now they need to find results in their own league or are in real danger of missing the VERY important SUNYAC Top 2 seeds which get a free pass into Conference Semi's.

Oneonta has Won 6 straight and besides a hiccup at RPI they would be clean. Not as impressed with Oneonta's schedule as Byrne looks to have added an xtra cupcake or 3.

discnerd

Discnerd's top 25


RankRank.diffTeamConferenceRatingRating.diff
10AmherstNESCAC7.4310.184
20CalvinMIAA5.826-1.143
31Christopher NewportCAC5.752-0.958
4-1Johns HopkinsCC5.614-1.241
50Washington and LeeODAC5.324-1.163
61RoanokeODAC5.2850.267
7-1Mary WashingtonCAC5.076-0.614
80Franklin and MarshallCC4.8780.385
90Connecticut CollegeNESCAC4.6510.216
1018Oneonta StateSUNYAC4.4661.246
116OglethorpeSAA4.1630.302
12-1ChicagoUAA3.95-0.232
131CovenantUSAC3.9-0.206
141MessiahMACC3.874-0.101
158TuftsNESCAC3.7680.2
16-3CatholicLAND3.633-0.49
171RowanNJAC3.531-0.294
18-6GettysburgCC3.496-0.66
1921Buffalo StateSUNYAC3.430.81
201Claremont-Mudd-ScrippsSCIAC3.395-0.28
21-11MiddleburyNESCAC3.39-0.866
228RPILL3.3540.229
23-3Gustavus AdolphusMIAC3.24-0.56
24-8IthacaLL3.229-0.732
252CentreSAA3.142-0.271