2019 Pool C

[Inkblot]

It would be interesting to see the impact if the AA said 600 rather than 500 miles determined plane vs. bus trip.  Yeah, a 600-mile bus trip would be a pain, but how often do you get direct flights between teams 500-600 miles?

The threshold in Division II (which just became relevant to bracketing for the first time) is 600.

[Hawks88]

I know this is a pointless exercise, but what else am I going to do well eating my lunch on this cold and damp day.

1.) Mount Union vs. SUNY-Maritime, Hope vs. CWR
2.) Wesley vs. Susquehanna, Bridgewater vs. Berry

1.) Muhlenberg vs. MIT, Delaware Valley vs. Brockport
2.) Salisbury vs. Framingham St., Union vs. Western New England

1.) Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. Huntingdon, North Central vs. Hanover
2.) Chapman vs. Linfield, Redlands vs. Central

1.) UW-Whitewater vs. Monmouth/St. Norbert, Bethel/John Carroll/Wartburg vs. Aurora
2.) Wheaton vs. Wabash, St. John's vs Martin Luther College

Don't see the committee springing for 4 flights in the 1st round when they can easily have 2... 3 would be a stretch but maybe if we're lucky. Redlands @ UMHB, Linfield @ Chapman, Huntingdon @ Berry are virtual locks for 1st round matchups. It's something we all hate but that's how it is. In past years you might have seen them do Redlands @ Chapman and Linfield @ UMHB to cut it down to 1 flight.

My bad, I had it in my head that Berry to Bridgewater was not a flight. Checked it again and it is 522 miles. Back to square one, but I'm not buying into Redlands to UMHB or the Berry - Huntington matchup until I actually see it.

Going door-to-door Berry to Bridgewater is 513 miles.

I can't count the number of times I've checked a distance and it ended up just a bit over 500 miles. Always frustrating.

As far as seeing it, here's the last 3 years...
2018 7-3 CMS @ 9-0 Whitworth, 9-1 Hardin-Simmons @ 10-0 UMHB, 7-2 Maryville @ 9-1 Berry
2017: 6-2 Chapman @ 10-0 UMHB, 9-1 Hardin-Simmons @ 9-1 Linfield, 9-1 Huntingdon @ 10-0 Berry
2016: 8-1 Redlands @ 10-0 UMHB, 8-1 Linfield @ 8-1 Hardin-Simmons, 9-1 Huntingdon @ 9-1 Wheaton (WashU won the SAA so no school was within 500 miles of Huntingdon)

And if you go back further, in 2009 we didn't deserve a home game but got one and in 2015 it was questionable but we got one. Unless they are truly opening up the wallet, I would be really surprised if they put us on a plane before they have to.

[DuffMan]

Charters are certainly an attractive option, but I'm not sure where the cost would measure vs putting 70-75 guys on commercial flights.

Does the NCAA not charter them anymore?  My experiences were in the early 2000s, and every playoff flight we took (6 of them) was a charter flight.

[Pat Coleman]

In the postseason, the NCAA charters for football. It's not possible to find that many seats available on commercial flights.

[Ralph Turner]

Just checking UMAC conference games this season and their is a total of 15 games with over a 500 mile bus trip. The longest being Minnesota-Morris making the 760 mile trek to Greenville this coming weekend.

Sul Ross to Belhaven  899 miles
Sul Ross to Louisiana College  797 miles.

(I don't think that it is fair to count the Austin College and Trinity TX conference games in the SAA. They are now affiliates and there is some history behind this.)

[MonroviaCat]

Just checking UMAC conference games this season and their is a total of 15 games with over a 500 mile bus trip. The longest being Minnesota-Morris making the 760 mile trek to Greenville this coming weekend.

Sul Ross to Belhaven  899 miles
Sul Ross to Louisiana College  797 miles.

(I don't think that it is fair to count the Austin College and Trinity TX conference games in the SAA. They are now affiliates and there is some history behind this.)

Ouch--several years back, LaVerne traveled to Linfield by bus.  I'm told that, after losing big, they had to get back on the bus and drive home without staying overnight anywhere (I'm assuming they stayed the night before the game somewhere).

[MRMIKESMITH]

My Pre-Regional Ranking 2 (Outlook) Bracket:

1. Mount Union vs. SUNY-Maritime
2. Muhlenberg vs. MIT
3. Union vs. Western New England
4. Brockport vs. Susquehanna

1. UMHB vs. Redlands
2. Chapman vs. Linfield
3. Bridgewater (Va.) vs. Wesley
4. Berry vs. Huntington

1. Wheaton (Ill.) vs. Hanover
2. Salisbury vs. Framingham State
3. Delaware Valley vs. John Carroll
4. Case Western vs. Wabash

1. UW-Whitewater vs. Martin Luther
2. St. Johns vs. Aurora
3. North Central (Ill.) vs. MWC Champ
4. Central vs. Hope

[Baldini]

My Pre-Regional Ranking 2 (Outlook) Bracket:

1. Mount Union vs. SUNY-Maritime
2. Muhlenberg vs. MIT
3. Union vs. Western New England
4. Brockport vs. Susquehanna

1. UMHB vs. Redlands
2. Chapman vs. Linfield
3. Bridgewater (Va.) vs. Wesley
4. Berry vs. Huntington

1. Wheaton (Ill.) vs. Hanover
2. Salisbury vs. Framingham State
3. Delaware Valley vs. John Carroll
4. Case Western vs. Wabash

1. UW-Whitewater vs. Martin Luther
2. St. Johns vs. Aurora
3. North Central (Ill.) vs. Lake Forest
4. Central vs. Hope

Lake Forest has already been eliminated from the MWC title game.

If I am reading this right, you are going to ship the Bridgewater-Wesley winner across the country to play either Chapman or Linfield? 

[Ron Boerger]

In the postseason, the NCAA charters for football. It's not possible to find that many seats available on commercial flights.

Dang it, there goes Pat with a truth bomb that destroys my argument.   Not the first time 

[MRMIKESMITH]

My Pre-Regional Ranking 2 (Outlook) Bracket:

1. Mount Union vs. SUNY-Maritime
2. Muhlenberg vs. MIT
3. Union vs. Western New England
4. Brockport vs. Susquehanna

1. UMHB vs. Redlands
2. Chapman vs. Linfield
3. Bridgewater (Va.) vs. Wesley
4. Berry vs. Huntington

1. Wheaton (Ill.) vs. Hanover
2. Salisbury vs. Framingham State
3. Delaware Valley vs. John Carroll
4. Case Western vs. Wabash

1. UW-Whitewater vs. Martin Luther
2. St. Johns vs. Aurora
3. North Central (Ill.) vs. MWC CHAMP
4. Central vs. Hope

Lake Forest has already been eliminated from the MWC title game.

If I am reading this right, you are going to ship the Bridgewater-Wesley winner across the country to play either Chapman or Linfield?

Yes, that happens on occasions,  just to feel out bracket,  see 2015 bracket when Cortland went to play Linfield and a few years earlier when Hampden-Sydney did the same.

[Baldini]

My Pre-Regional Ranking 2 (Outlook) Bracket:

1. Mount Union vs. SUNY-Maritime
2. Muhlenberg vs. MIT
3. Union vs. Western New England
4. Brockport vs. Susquehanna

1. UMHB vs. Redlands
2. Chapman vs. Linfield
3. Bridgewater (Va.) vs. Wesley
4. Berry vs. Huntington

1. Wheaton (Ill.) vs. Hanover
2. Salisbury vs. Framingham State
3. Delaware Valley vs. John Carroll
4. Case Western vs. Wabash

1. UW-Whitewater vs. Martin Luther
2. St. Johns vs. Aurora
3. North Central (Ill.) vs. MWC CHAMP
4. Central vs. Hope

Lake Forest has already been eliminated from the MWC title game.

If I am reading this right, you are going to ship the Bridgewater-Wesley winner across the country to play either Chapman or Linfield?

Yes, that happens on occasions,  just to feel out bracket,  see 2015 bracket when Cortland went to play Linfield and a few years earlier when Hampden-Sydney did the same.

Interesting, I had forgot about that Cortland trip.

Soo your sayin' there's a chance!

[crufootball]

Just checking UMAC conference games this season and their is a total of 15 games with over a 500 mile bus trip. The longest being Minnesota-Morris making the 760 mile trek to Greenville this coming weekend.

Sul Ross to Belhaven  899 miles
Sul Ross to Louisiana College  797 miles.

(I don't think that it is fair to count the Austin College and Trinity TX conference games in the SAA. They are now affiliates and there is some history behind this.)

Really makes you wonder who Sul Ross made mad since they had to do both of those trips in a 3 week period. Of course just to show how far away Sul Ross is from everyone, their non conference game was against Texas A&M Kingsville which was 536 miles.

[Inkblot]

Just checking UMAC conference games this season and their is a total of 15 games with over a 500 mile bus trip. The longest being Minnesota-Morris making the 760 mile trek to Greenville this coming weekend.

Sul Ross to Belhaven  899 miles
Sul Ross to Louisiana College  797 miles.

(I don't think that it is fair to count the Austin College and Trinity TX conference games in the SAA. They are now affiliates and there is some history behind this.)

Really makes you wonder who Sul Ross made mad since they had to do both of those trips in a 3 week period. Of course just to show how far away Sul Ross is from everyone, their non conference game was against Texas A&M Kingsville which was 536 miles.

To be fair, Kingsville is even more isolated. There are several D2 schools that are a whole lot closer to Sul Ross.

[USee]

New RR's are out:

https://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2019/second-regional-ranking

[Baldini]

New RR's are out:

https://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2019/second-regional-ranking

I think Bethel is the big loser in this. Can a win against St. Thomas get them ahead of Wartburg?