2019 Pool C

[HScoach]

This is why I think Wheaton should be the 4th #1 seed and therefore paired up with MHB bracket in the semifinals

[Baldini]

For the late night crowd:
https://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2019/first-projected-bracket

At first glance I would guess that bracket was designed by a Wabash Alumnus. 

Greg did the selections and I do the bracketing, so not quite.

You are much more schooled in this than I am Pat and you very well may be correct, but I just found moving Wabash to the west as odd because of how versatile of a piece they are for the committee with their location geographically. They can travel to 5-6 locations for a game because of it, but we will know in a matter of day. 

[wally_wabash]

For the late night crowd:
https://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2019/first-projected-bracket

At first glance I would guess that bracket was designed by a Wabash Alumnus. 

Greg did the selections and I do the bracketing, so not quite.

You are much more schooled in this than I am Pat and you very well may be correct, but I just found moving Wabash to the west as odd because of how versatile of a piece they are for the committee with their location geographically. They can travel to 5-6 locations for a game because of it, but we will know in a matter of day.

We ran out of hosts in that area of the country.  Wabash can play a lot of teams, yes, but has a much higher bracketing value when they can host.  It may not ultimately be Wabash in California, but I think you're going to see a team in the midwest go somewhere weird.  Maybe somebody flies into an Easterly team, maybe somebody flies to Texas (we did that too!)...but things just do not pair off nice and neat in the midwest this year. 

[USee]

One change for your bracket that would make it slightly less concentrated for the UWW bracket would be to switch North Central and Hope or St Johns and Hope. The former wouldn't add a flight but the latter might in round 2.

[AO]

Whitewater, St. John's, North Central, Wheaton, maybe Bethel, Wartburg...you cannot get all of those teams away from each other.  You just can't do it.  Maybe you could peel a pod away and pair them up with Mount Union, but that creates the same issue in another part of the bracket.  There's a concentrated pocket of really strong teams there, and there isn't much flexibility in what you can do with them.

How does Wheaton's case for a #1 seed stack up with Salisbury?
(I understand that geographical logistics factor in, although Mount Union could go east again)

Wheaton 9-0, .583 SOS, 2-0 RRO
Salisbury 9-0, .501 SOS, 2-0 RRO

If UWO loses to UWW Salisbury loses an RRO, If Monmouth loses to SNC Wheaton loses an RRO. Wheatons SOS will go to around .540 after Saturday and Salisbury will dip to about .490 I would guess.

Nobody loses an RRO.  Those teams ranked this week count whether they lose or not on Saturday.

I thought the explanation was that the week 2 regionally ranked opponents will still count when they're putting together the final regional rankings, but when they're actually making pool C selections or trying to compare which teams should host or be a #1 seed, only the regionally ranked opponents from the final rankings would count. 

[mdrem7]

Took a crack at it.....

(1) Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. (8) Huntingdon
(4) Wartburg vs (5) Monmouth
(2) Chapman vs (7) Linfield
(3) Redlands vs (6) Berry

(1) Wisconsin-Whitewater vs. (8) Martin Luther
(4) St. John's vs. (5) Aurora
(2) Wheaton vs. (7) Hanover
(3) Hope vs. (6) Wabash

(1) Mount Union vs. (8) SUNY-Maritime
(4) Bridgewater vs. (5) Susquehanna
(2) Muhlenberg vs. (7) Case Western Reserve
(4) North Central vs. (7) Central

(1) Salisbury vs. (8) MIT
(4) Union vs. (5) Brockport
(2) Wesley vs. (7) Framingham St.
(3) Delaware Valley vs. (6) W. New England

Given that these are impossible, on a scale of bad to atrocious, how'd I do?

[Baldini]

Took a crack at it.....

(1) Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. (8) Huntingdon
(4) Wartburg vs (5) Monmouth
(2) Chapman vs (7) Linfield
(3) Redlands vs (6) Berry

(1) Wisconsin-Whitewater vs. (8) Martin Luther
(4) St. John's vs. (5) Aurora
(2) Wheaton vs. (7) Hanover
(3) Hope vs. (6) Wabash

(1) Mount Union vs. (8) SUNY-Maritime
(4) Bridgewater vs. (5) Susquehanna
(2) Muhlenberg vs. (7) Case Western Reserve
(4) North Central vs. (7) Central

(1) Salisbury vs. (8) MIT
(4) Union vs. (5) Brockport
(2) Wesley vs. (7) Framingham St.
(3) Delaware Valley vs. (6) W. New England

Given that these are impossible, on a scale of bad to atrocious, how'd I do?

Your guess work is as possible as most of ours. I would doubt that Monmouth would play Wartburg or Wheaton in the first round. Also would be very surprised if the Salisbury grouping worked out like that. That would be a terrible injustice to the rest of the bracket. IMHO

[desertcat1]

Took a crack at it.....

(1) Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. (8) Huntingdon
(4) Wartburg vs (5) Monmouth
(2) Chapman vs (7) Linfield
(3) Redlands vs (6) Berry

(1) Wisconsin-Whitewater vs. (8) Martin Luther
(4) St. John's vs. (5) Aurora
(2) Wheaton vs. (7) Hanover
(3) Hope vs. (6) Wabash

(1) Mount Union vs. (8) SUNY-Maritime
(4) Bridgewater vs. (5) Susquehanna
(2) Muhlenberg vs. (7) Case Western Reserve
(4) North Central vs. (7) Central

(1) Salisbury vs. (8) MIT
(4) Union vs. (5) Brockport
(2) Wesley vs. (7) Framingham St.
(3) Delaware Valley vs. (6) W. New England

Given that these are impossible, on a scale of bad to atrocious, how'd I do?

Yes,

That would be the best for this west Region fan . 

[HScoach]

Took a crack at it.....

(1) Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. (8) Huntingdon
(4) Wartburg vs (5) Monmouth
(2) Chapman vs (7) Linfield
(3) Redlands vs (6) Berry

(1) Wisconsin-Whitewater vs. (8) Martin Luther
(4) St. John's vs. (5) Aurora
(2) Wheaton vs. (7) Hanover
(3) Hope vs. (6) Wabash

(1) Mount Union vs. (8) SUNY-Maritime
(4) Bridgewater vs. (5) Susquehanna
(2) Muhlenberg vs. (7) Case Western Reserve
(4) North Central vs. (7) Central

(1) Salisbury vs. (8) MIT
(4) Union vs. (5) Brockport
(2) Wesley vs. (7) Framingham St.
(3) Delaware Valley vs. (6) W. New England

Given that these are impossible, on a scale of bad to atrocious, how'd I do?

I won't claim to be able to do better,  nor will I try, but the Salisbury region is beyond weak.

[WW]

Took a crack at it.....

(1) Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. (8) Huntingdon
(4) Wartburg vs (5) Monmouth
(2) Chapman vs (7) Linfield
(3) Redlands vs (6) Berry

(1) Wisconsin-Whitewater vs. (8) Martin Luther
(4) St. John's vs. (5) Aurora
(2) Wheaton vs. (7) Hanover
(3) Hope vs. (6) Wabash

(1) Mount Union vs. (8) SUNY-Maritime
(4) Bridgewater vs. (5) Susquehanna
(2) Muhlenberg vs. (7) Case Western Reserve
(4) North Central vs. (7) Central

(1) Salisbury vs. (8) MIT
(4) Union vs. (5) Brockport
(2) Wesley vs. (7) Framingham St.
(3) Delaware Valley vs. (6) W. New England

Given that these are impossible, on a scale of bad to atrocious, how'd I do?

No less awful than the final brackets are sure to be.

[Captainred81]

I think one thing is clear this year, that the top 8 teams are easily justified.  UMHB, UMU, Wheaton, Salisbury, Muhlenberg, Chapman, UWW, okay, well maybe top 7 teams.  I think Wesley would be the 8th team here, but I feel like it should be St. Johns.  Either way, these brackets (based on the criteria set forth and records), SOS notwithstanding, seem pretty even.  However, (assuming UMHB and UMU win their brackets) the UWW bracket winner should eventually travel and the Salisbury bracket winner will travel.  Hypothetically, the West bracket travels to UMHB and the East bracket travels to Mount.  I don't think East bracket holds a candle to the West bracket.  Is this confusing? 

What I'm trying to say,  simply, is that whoever comes out of the Whitewater bracket (Wheaton, St,. Johns, UWW) is going to be superior to whoever comes out of the Salisbury bracket (Salisbury, Wesley, Del. Val.)

Lastly, I am not smart enough to try and figure this out.  It seems like Avengers Infinity wars where Dr. Strange goes ahead in time and tries 14 million ways to win, but only finds one. 

Is there any chance the Mount and UMHB end up on the same side of a bracket?  Is there a rule the prevents this from happening?

[Pat Coleman]

There isn't a rule per se, but it's a long-standing practice from the UWW/Mount Union days that it's a bad idea to put the two teams which played in last year's Stagg on the same side of the bracket.

[wally_wabash]

I think one thing is clear this year, that the top 8 teams are easily justified.  UMHB, UMU, Wheaton, Salisbury, Muhlenberg, Chapman, UWW, okay, well maybe top 7 teams. I think Wesley would be the 8th team here, but I feel like it should be St. Johns. 

It can't be overstated how damaging St. John's losing to CMC was.  I think St. John's would beat the brakes off of Wesley, but Wesley's lone loss is to their regions #1 ranked team and St. John's lost to a team that will end 5-5.  Who you lost to you really matters when it comes to selection and seeding. 

Either way, these brackets (based on the criteria set forth and records), SOS notwithstanding, seem pretty even.  However, (assuming UMHB and UMU win their brackets) the UWW bracket winner should eventually travel and the Salisbury bracket winner will travel.  Hypothetically, the West bracket travels to UMHB and the East bracket travels to Mount.  I don't think East bracket holds a candle to the West bracket.  Is this confusing? 

This is definitely a case where I think you're confusing yourself by thinking of the fourths of the bracket as E/N/S/W. 

Is there any chance the Mount and UMHB end up on the same side of a bracket?  Is there a rule the prevents this from happening?

Seriously unlikely.  If they decide that UMHB is the top overall seed and UMU is the second overall seed, then they're on opposite sides- as it should be.  If they follow common bracketing logic, the quadrant with the #3 seed (let's say UWW) would be on the same side as Mount Union and the quadrant with the #4 overall seed (Salisbury or Muhlenberg or Wheaton) would be on the UMHB half. 

[Ralph Turner]

Took a crack at it.....

(1) Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. (8) Huntingdon
(4) Wartburg vs (5) Monmouth
(2) Chapman vs (7) Linfield
(3) Redlands vs (6) Berry

(1) Wisconsin-Whitewater vs. (8) Martin Luther
(4) St. John's vs. (5) Aurora
(2) Wheaton vs. (7) Hanover
(3) Hope vs. (6) Wabash

(1) Mount Union vs. (8) SUNY-Maritime
(4) Bridgewater vs. (5) Susquehanna
(2) Muhlenberg vs. (7) Case Western Reserve
(4) North Central vs. (7) Central

(1) Salisbury vs. (8) MIT
(4) Union vs. (5) Brockport
(2) Wesley vs. (7) Framingham St.
(3) Delaware Valley vs. (6) W. New England

Given that these are impossible, on a scale of bad to atrocious, how'd I do?

3 first round flights

1-2 second round flights

(1) Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. (8) Huntingdon
(4) Wartburg vs (5) Monmouth

[(2) Chapman vs (7) Linfield
(3) Redlands vs (6) Berry

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Games with Pool C considerations (games in bold are games that have a decent chance of the upset):

Christopher Newport @ Wesley 1:00pm (Wesley with a win is in)
Redlands @ Occidental 4:00pm (Redlands with a win is in)
Loras @ Wartburg 2:00pm (Wartburg with a win is in)
Susquehanna @ Juniata 1:00pm (Susquehanna must win)
North Central @ Millikin 2:00pm (North Central must win)
John Carroll @ Baldwin Wallace 1:30pm (John Carroll must win)
Bethel @ St Thomas 2:10pm (Bethel must win)
Cortland vs Ithaca 1:00pm (Cortland needs some chaos to get in)

Central @ Coe 2:00pm (If Central loses then they drop out of the playoffs and Wartburg moves to pool A opening up a spot)
UW-Whitewater @ UW-Oshkosh 7:05pm (An Oshkosh win knocks Whitewater to pool C and most likely bursts someone else's bubble)