2019 Pool C

[ncc_fan]

SUNY Maritime is in the East, and the OAC #2 (BW/JCU winner) will likely earn a spot in the top half of the North rankings.

[jamtod]

Linfield is West, not south

[USee]

Linfield is West, not south

pretty sure this is his actual playoff bracket, not his regional rankings.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Linfield is West, not south

pretty sure this is his actual playoff bracket, not his regional rankings.

That was my thought as well.

[Baldini]

Linfield is West, not south

pretty sure this is his actual playoff bracket, not his regional rankings.

I guess I could of been more clear, this is a too early guess at the brackets and is not a stab at regional rankings.

[Baldini]

SUNY Maritime is in the East, and the OAC #2 (BW/JCU winner) will likely earn a spot in the top half of the North rankings.

I do realize that the OAC #2 historically is a C pool pick, but this year I believe there is a good chance they are positioned behind North Central in the North rankings and that would put them in danger of be left on the table in the end.

[Oline89]

Just to add some chaos to the mix, IF TLU upsets UMHB on 11/9, what would be the argument for making UMHB a Pool C Bid?

[USee]

Just to add some chaos to the mix, IF TLU upsets UMHB on 11/9, what would be the argument for making UMHB a Pool C Bid?

I think defending National Champion is the beginning and end of the argument for UMHB as a Pool C.

[tf37]

Just to add some chaos to the mix, IF TLU upsets UMHB on 11/9, what would be the argument for making UMHB a Pool C Bid?

I think defending National Champion is the beginning and end of the argument for UMHB as a Pool C.

Which was the same logic used when Mount lost to JCU back in 2016.

[Captainred81]

I agree on that note about UMHB.  2016, after Mount lost to JCU in week 11, i'm fairly sure they were the first team off the board for pool C.  Considering they went to the semi's that year and won all their games on the road, it was the right choice.  Likewise, this year if UMHB were to receive a pool C and not win the Pool A, I would expect to at least get to the quarters, if not semi's if not Stagg.

As far as the East Bracket #1, I would not be surprised to see Muhlenberg get it.  They are in the South Region, but they are located in the east.  Assuming they beat Johns Hopkins this week, they will have 1-0 v. RRO (Cuz Hopkins won't be ranked with 3 losses), a .567 SOS, and a quarter final run in the playoffs last year. 

[hazzben]

Keep in mind with SOS numbers, almost all of the top Pool C candidates have their numbers coming down a bit since they finish with some of the poorer teams on their schedule. UWP will get a bump from UWO. Bethel will get a bump from UST. But in general, those numbers are coming back down a little.

[wally_wabash]

I agree on that note about UMHB.  2016, after Mount lost to JCU in week 11, i'm fairly sure they were the first team off the board for pool C.  Considering they went to the semi's that year and won all their games on the road, it was the right choice.  Likewise, this year if UMHB were to receive a pool C and not win the Pool A, I would expect to at least get to the quarters, if not semi's if not Stagg.

As far as the East Bracket #1, I would not be surprised to see Muhlenberg get it.  They are in the South Region, but they are located in the east.  Assuming they beat Johns Hopkins this week, they will have 1-0 v. RRO (Cuz Hopkins won't be ranked with 3 losses), a .567 SOS, and a quarter final run in the playoffs last year.

They were not.  Mount Union was ranked behind Wheaton and therefore couldn't have possibly been the first team selected.  The chair never tells us which order the teams were selected, but I believe in our mock selection that year Mount Union was the fourth team (out of six) in. 

[Baldini]

I agree on that note about UMHB.  2016, after Mount lost to JCU in week 11, i'm fairly sure they were the first team off the board for pool C.  Considering they went to the semi's that year and won all their games on the road, it was the right choice.  Likewise, this year if UMHB were to receive a pool C and not win the Pool A, I would expect to at least get to the quarters, if not semi's if not Stagg.

As far as the East Bracket #1, I would not be surprised to see Muhlenberg get it.  They are in the South Region, but they are located in the east.  Assuming they beat Johns Hopkins this week, they will have 1-0 v. RRO (Cuz Hopkins won't be ranked with 3 losses), a .567 SOS, and a quarter final run in the playoffs last year.

Interesting point about Muhlenberg in the east bracket. Something I didn't give a thought to, but might be something to watch for. Like it.

[USee]

I don't recall UMHB's bad SOS getting this much attention last year.  What changed?

I don't think anything changed. The question is the same. Whis is: Are the criteria  the rule until they aren't. The criteria are followed until they aren't, for whatever reason, good or bad. Taking Mt Union in Pool C in 2016 was the right choice. Making UMHB and Mt Union 1 seeds this year is the right choice, despite all the criteria saying otherwise. It's fair to wonder what other situations, some of which might be much less obvious, can and will arise that allow the criteria to be disregarded. Giving an east region team a 1 seed could be such a decision. I believe Ithaca, if they win out, will be every bit as deserving a 1 seed as any other team (their SOS will rise dramatically over the final 3 weeks and they will have at least 2 wins vs RRO's).

If UMHB were to lose to TLU and become a pool c candidate, they would be a bad candidate on the merits but will rightfully make it into the field. My observation (which I describe as such because it is a reality under the current system) is that the criteria matter, unless they don't and that can get a bit tricky under less obvious circumstances.

[Ithaca798891]

As far as the East Bracket #1, I would not be surprised to see Muhlenberg get it.  They are in the South Region, but they are located in the east.  Assuming they beat Johns Hopkins this week, they will have 1-0 v. RRO (Cuz Hopkins won't be ranked with 3 losses), a .567 SOS, and a quarter final run in the playoffs last year.

The playoff run is huge there.

I think a 10-0 IC is going to get two RR wins, Union and Cortland. Even Hobart might be in the mix at 8-2. Those games are also going to give their SOS a pretty massive boost.

I'm certainly not saying you're wrong. I think Muhlenberg is absolutely in that mix