2019 Pool C

[wally_wabash]

You all seem to have a better grasp on this than me, so I'll ask: What's IC's path to a Pool C bid, assuming Wesley doesn't get upset? What one-loss teams do you think the Bombers' need to lose?

I'm not sure Ithaca is in a "needs help" situation.  The one that would immediately help, obviously, is Wesley.  But I think there's a chance Ithaca could wind up ahead of Wesley in the final RRs and be the first at-large choice available in the East region even if Wesley doesn't lose another game. 

[Oline89]

You all seem to have a better grasp on this than me, so I'll ask: What's IC's path to a Pool C bid, assuming Wesley doesn't get upset? What one-loss teams do you think the Bombers' need to lose?

I'm not sure Ithaca is in a "needs help" situation.  The one that would immediately help, obviously, is Wesley.  But I think there's a chance Ithaca could wind up ahead of Wesley in the final RRs and be the first at-large choice available in the East region even if Wesley doesn't lose another game.

Don't you think Ithaca's SOS goes up with games against Cortland and RPI, while Wesley's probably drops?

[MRMIKESMITH]

You all seem to have a better grasp on this than me, so I'll ask: What's IC's path to a Pool C bid, assuming Wesley doesn't get upset? What one-loss teams do you think the Bombers' need to lose?

I'm not sure Ithaca is in a "needs help" situation.  The one that would immediately help, obviously, is Wesley.  But I think there's a chance Ithaca could wind up ahead of Wesley in the final RRs and be the first at-large choice available in the East region even if Wesley doesn't lose another game.

Don't you think Ithaca's SOS goes up with games against Cortland and RPI, while Wesley's probably drops?

Wesley would benefit from having a RRO win over Delaware Valley and if Endicott were to sneak into the final rankings, that would put them at 2-1 for RRO.

[wally_wabash]

You all seem to have a better grasp on this than me, so I'll ask: What's IC's path to a Pool C bid, assuming Wesley doesn't get upset? What one-loss teams do you think the Bombers' need to lose?

I'm not sure Ithaca is in a "needs help" situation.  The one that would immediately help, obviously, is Wesley.  But I think there's a chance Ithaca could wind up ahead of Wesley in the final RRs and be the first at-large choice available in the East region even if Wesley doesn't lose another game.

Don't you think Ithaca's SOS goes up with games against Cortland and RPI, while Wesley's probably drops?

Yes, that's certainly part of it. 

Wesley would benefit from having a RRO win over Delaware Valley and if Endicott were to sneak into the final rankings, that would put them at 2-1 for RRO.

Wesley's win vs. DelVal isn't going anywhere, but I'm thinking it's going to be difficult to keep Endicott ranked as a two-loss team.  Certainly not with Hobart and that burly SOS hanging around out there.  I haven't crunched through a new regional ranking analysis with Saturday's data, but my feeling here is that Wesley finishes 1-1 vs. RRO. 

[ncc_fan]

Randolph-Macon will either beat Bridgewater on Saturday and become front runner for the ODAC Pool A spot or pick up loss #2 and drop out of Pool C consideration.  Either way, RMC can be ignored in the Pool C discussion. A Bridgewater loss moves BC onto the Pool C list (SOS currently 0.503).

[TheChucker]

The two biggest questions going into D3 selection Sunday:

1) Wheaton or Muhlenberg as a top 4 seed?

2) Who's the unfortunate top seed that gets the Johnnies in their bracket?

[shepherd]

The two biggest questions going into D3 selection Sunday:

1) Wheaton or Muhlenberg as a top 4 seed?

2) Who's the unfortunate top seed that gets the Johnnies in their bracket?

1. Pretty sure Muhlenberg is not in the discussion as they are in the South.  Beyond that the committee may stick to an east team like Salisbury or go with Mount like they have a couple of times before.  Who knows each year we have seen some variances as to sticking to only 4 teams of each area vs moving a team.

2.  Johnnies will probably be placed in the west with UWW.  The North should be full and the South shouldn't need to add any teams.

[wally_wabash]

The two biggest questions going into D3 selection Sunday:

1) Wheaton or Muhlenberg as a top 4 seed?

2) Who's the unfortunate top seed that gets the Johnnies in their bracket?

1. Pretty sure Muhlenberg is not in the discussion as they are in the South.  Beyond that the committee may stick to an east team like Salisbury or go with Mount like they have a couple of times before.  Who knows each year we have seen some variances as to sticking to only 4 teams of each area vs moving a team.

2.  Johnnies will probably be placed in the west with UWW.  The North should be full and the South shouldn't need to add any teams.

Probably a good time for the annual reminder that the four quadrants of the bracket aren't region-exclusive.  Muhlenberg is a South region team, but would mesh very well (read: is within 500 miles) with most East region teams.  Wheaton is regionally versatile as well. 

In any case, Muhlenberg should certainly be considered with their current profile.  Or at the very least shouldn't be dismissed outright.

[TheChucker]

The two biggest questions going into D3 selection Sunday:

1) Wheaton or Muhlenberg as a top 4 seed?

2) Who's the unfortunate top seed that gets the Johnnies in their bracket?

1. Pretty sure Muhlenberg is not in the discussion as they are in the South.  Beyond that the committee may stick to an east team like Salisbury or go with Mount like they have a couple of times before.  Who knows each year we have seen some variances as to sticking to only 4 teams of each area vs moving a team.

2.  Johnnies will probably be placed in the west with UWW.  The North should be full and the South shouldn't need to add any teams.

If Wheaton gets a top pick, SJU could easily be grouped into that quarterfinal too. It's less than 500 miles. Seeing how the NCAA sent SJU to Texas last year, I'm not sure how much of a factor the quarterfinal distance comes into play.

[Ralph Turner]

An undefeated Salisbury makes a strong case for the #1 seed in the East Region.

If everyone runs the tables, I see the top seeds being

Salisbury
UMU
UMHB

and I will let the committee figure out the bracket for the West Region.  My bet on the "Selection roulette wheel" would be placed on UWW.

[hazzben]

The two biggest questions going into D3 selection Sunday:

1) Wheaton or Muhlenberg as a top 4 seed?

2) Who's the unfortunate top seed that gets the Johnnies in their bracket?

1. Pretty sure Muhlenberg is not in the discussion as they are in the South.  Beyond that the committee may stick to an east team like Salisbury or go with Mount like they have a couple of times before.  Who knows each year we have seen some variances as to sticking to only 4 teams of each area vs moving a team.

2.  Johnnies will probably be placed in the west with UWW.  The North should be full and the South shouldn't need to add any teams.

If Wheaton gets a top pick, SJU could easily be grouped into that quarterfinal too. It's less than 500 miles. Seeing how the NCAA sent SJU to Texas last year, I'm not sure how much of a factor the quarterfinal distance comes into play.

Yeah, there is a lot of flexibility between Mount's proximity to the North/East, Muhlenberg to the South/East, Wheaton to the North/West, and UWW to the West/North. Salisbury and UMHB are obviously less flexible.

[AO]

The two biggest questions going into D3 selection Sunday:

1) Wheaton or Muhlenberg as a top 4 seed?

2) Who's the unfortunate top seed that gets the Johnnies in their bracket?

1. Pretty sure Muhlenberg is not in the discussion as they are in the South.  Beyond that the committee may stick to an east team like Salisbury or go with Mount like they have a couple of times before.  Who knows each year we have seen some variances as to sticking to only 4 teams of each area vs moving a team.

2.  Johnnies will probably be placed in the west with UWW.  The North should be full and the South shouldn't need to add any teams.

If Wheaton gets a top pick, SJU could easily be grouped into that quarterfinal too. It's less than 500 miles. Seeing how the NCAA sent SJU to Texas last year, I'm not sure how much of a factor the quarterfinal distance comes into play.

Yeah, there is a lot of flexibility between Mount's proximity to the North/East, Muhlenberg to the South/East, Wheaton to the North/West, and UWW to the West/North. Salisbury and UMHB are obviously less flexible.

How many likely playoff teams from the East are outside of the 500 miles from Mount?  Maybe just Western New England?

[art76]

How many likely playoff teams from the East are outside of the 500 miles from Mount?  Maybe just Western New England?

https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles

Yep, 559 miles.

[MRMIKESMITH]

The two biggest questions going into D3 selection Sunday:

1) Wheaton or Muhlenberg as a top 4 seed?

2) Who's the unfortunate top seed that gets the Johnnies in their bracket?

1. Pretty sure Muhlenberg is not in the discussion as they are in the South.  Beyond that the committee may stick to an east team like Salisbury or go with Mount like they have a couple of times before.  Who knows each year we have seen some variances as to sticking to only 4 teams of each area vs moving a team.

2.  Johnnies will probably be placed in the west with UWW.  The North should be full and the South shouldn't need to add any teams.

If Wheaton gets a top pick, SJU could easily be grouped into that quarterfinal too. It's less than 500 miles. Seeing how the NCAA sent SJU to Texas last year, I'm not sure how much of a factor the quarterfinal distance comes into play.

Yeah, there is a lot of flexibility between Mount's proximity to the North/East, Muhlenberg to the South/East, Wheaton to the North/West, and UWW to the West/North. Salisbury and UMHB are obviously less flexible.

How many likely playoff teams from the East are outside of the 500 miles from Mount?  Maybe just Western New England?

Salisbury is actually very flexible and within 500 miles. Out of about 20 teams (Salisbury, Union, Delaware Valley, SUNY-Maritime, WNE, Brockport, Framingham State, MIT, WPI, Springfield, Ithaca, Cortland, Wesley, Muhlenberg, Bridgewater (Va.), Susquehanna, R-MC, Mount Union, CWR, John Carrol, and BW), Salisbury, Union, Delaware Valley, Wesley, Ithaca, Cortland, Muhlenberg, Brockport, Susquehanna, and SUNY-Maritime can play any of the above mentioned teams. R-MC can play all but Framingham and MIT, the OAC and Case can play all but NE schools.

[bluestreak66]

The two biggest questions going into D3 selection Sunday:

1) Wheaton or Muhlenberg as a top 4 seed?

2) Who's the unfortunate top seed that gets the Johnnies in their bracket?

1. Pretty sure Muhlenberg is not in the discussion as they are in the South.  Beyond that the committee may stick to an east team like Salisbury or go with Mount like they have a couple of times before.  Who knows each year we have seen some variances as to sticking to only 4 teams of each area vs moving a team.

2.  Johnnies will probably be placed in the west with UWW.  The North should be full and the South shouldn't need to add any teams.

If Wheaton gets a top pick, SJU could easily be grouped into that quarterfinal too. It's less than 500 miles. Seeing how the NCAA sent SJU to Texas last year, I'm not sure how much of a factor the quarterfinal distance comes into play.

Yeah, there is a lot of flexibility between Mount's proximity to the North/East, Muhlenberg to the South/East, Wheaton to the North/West, and UWW to the West/North. Salisbury and UMHB are obviously less flexible.

How many likely playoff teams from the East are outside of the 500 miles from Mount?  Maybe just Western New England?

Salisbury is actually very flexible and within 500 miles. Out of about 20 teams (Salisbury, Union, Delaware Valley, SUNY-Maritime, WNE, Brockport, Framingham State, MIT, WPI, Springfield, Ithaca, Cortland, Wesley, Muhlenberg, Bridgewater (Va.), Susquehanna, R-MC, Mount Union, CWR, John Carrol, and BW), Salisbury, Union, Delaware Valley, Wesley, Ithaca, Cortland, Muhlenberg, Brockport, Susquehanna, and SUNY-Maritime can play any of the above mentioned teams. R-MC can play all but Framingham and MIT, the OAC and Case can play all but NE schools.

I remember all too well that RMC is within 500 miles of NE Ohio