2019 Pool C

[MRMIKESMITH]

So here is my updated take:

1. Mount Union (N1)(#1) vs. SUNY-Maritime (NR)(NR)
2. Muhlenberg (S2)(#5) vs. Framingham State (NR)(NR)
3. Wesley (E2)(#12) vs. Western New England (E6)(NR)
4. Union (E4)(#14) vs. Brockport (E5)(#22)

1. UMHB (S1)(#2) vs. Huntingdon (NR)(NR)
2. Chapman (W2)(#13) vs. Linfield (W7)(#19)
3. Delaware Valley (E3)(#11) vs. Central (W5)(#25)
4. Redlands (W3)(#18) vs. Berry (S6)(#23)

1. Salisbury (E1)(#7) vs. NEWMAC CHAMP (NR)(NR)
2. Wheaton (Ill.) (N2)(#4) vs. Hanover (N9)(NR)
3. Case Western (S5)(#20) vs. Wabash (N7)(NR)
4. Bridgewater (Va.) (S3)(#21) vs. Susquehanna (S4)(#16)

1. UW-Whitewater (W1)(#3) vs. Martin Luther (NR)(NR)
3. North Central (Ill.) (N3)(#6) vs. Monmouth (W8)(NR)
2. St. Johns (W4)(#8) vs. Aurora (N6)(NR)(NR)
4. Hope (N4)(ORV) vs. Wartburg (W6) (#24)

[Baldini]

So here is my updated take:

1. Mount Union (N1)(#1) vs. SUNY-Maritime (NR)(NR)
2. Muhlenberg (S2)(#5) vs. Framingham State (NR)(NR)
3. Wesley (E2)(#12) vs. Western New England (E6)(NR)
4. Union (E4)(#14) vs. Brockport (E5)(#22)

1. UMHB (S1)(#2) vs. Huntington (NR)(NR)
2. Chapman (W2)(#13) vs. Linfield (W7)(#19)
3. Delaware Valley (E3)(#11) vs. Central (W5)(#25)
4. Redlands (W3)(#18) vs. Berry (S6)(#23)

1. Salisbury (E1)(#7) vs. NEWMAC CHAMP (NR)(NR)
2. Wheaton (Ill.) (N2)(#4) vs. Hanover (N9)(NR)
3. Case Western (S5)(#20) vs. Wabash (N7)(NR)
4. Bridgewater (Va.) (S3)(#21) vs. Susquehanna (S4)(#16)

1. UW-Whitewater (W1)(#3) vs. Martin Luther (NR)(NR)
3. North Central (Ill.) (N3)(#6) vs. Monmouth (W8)(NR)
2. St. Johns (W4)(#8) vs. Aurora (N6)(NR)(NR)
4. Hope (N4)(ORV) vs. Wartburg (W6) (#24)

4 first round flights?

[MRMIKESMITH]

So here is my updated take:

1. Mount Union (N1)(#1) vs. SUNY-Maritime (NR)(NR)
2. Muhlenberg (S2)(#5) vs. Framingham State (NR)(NR)
3. Wesley (E2)(#12) vs. Western New England (E6)(NR)
4. Union (E4)(#14) vs. Brockport (E5)(#22)

1. UMHB (S1)(#2) vs. Huntingdon (NR)(NR)
2. Chapman (W2)(#13) vs. Linfield (W7)(#19)
3. Delaware Valley (E3)(#11) vs. Central (W5)(#25)
4. Redlands (W3)(#18) vs. Berry (S6)(#23)

1. Salisbury (E1)(#7) vs. NEWMAC CHAMP (NR)(NR)
2. Wheaton (Ill.) (N2)(#4) vs. Hanover (N9)(NR)
3. Case Western (S5)(#20) vs. Wabash (N7)(NR)
4. Bridgewater (Va.) (S3)(#21) vs. Susquehanna (S4)(#16)

1. UW-Whitewater (W1)(#3) vs. Martin Luther (NR)(NR)
3. North Central (Ill.) (N3)(#6) vs. Monmouth (W8)(NR)
2. St. Johns (W4)(#8) vs. Aurora (N6)(NR)(NR)
4. Hope (N4)(ORV) vs. Wartburg (W6) (#24)

4 first round flights?

Yes, because there are no flights in the other pods until round 3. However, the committee could rearrange that travel pod for Berry vs. Huntingdon and a potential 2nd round match-up between Chapman and Redlands that wouldn't require a flight.

[Hawks88]

So here is my updated take:

1. Mount Union (N1)(#1) vs. SUNY-Maritime (NR)(NR)
2. Muhlenberg (S2)(#5) vs. Framingham State (NR)(NR)
3. Wesley (E2)(#12) vs. Western New England (E6)(NR)
4. Union (E4)(#14) vs. Brockport (E5)(#22)

1. UMHB (S1)(#2) vs. Huntington (NR)(NR)
2. Chapman (W2)(#13) vs. Linfield (W7)(#19)
3. Delaware Valley (E3)(#11) vs. Central (W5)(#25)
4. Redlands (W3)(#18) vs. Berry (S6)(#23)

1. Salisbury (E1)(#7) vs. NEWMAC CHAMP (NR)(NR)
2. Wheaton (Ill.) (N2)(#4) vs. Hanover (N9)(NR)
3. Case Western (S5)(#20) vs. Wabash (N7)(NR)
4. Bridgewater (Va.) (S3)(#21) vs. Susquehanna (S4)(#16)

1. UW-Whitewater (W1)(#3) vs. Martin Luther (NR)(NR)
3. North Central (Ill.) (N3)(#6) vs. Monmouth (W8)(NR)
2. St. Johns (W4)(#8) vs. Aurora (N6)(NR)(NR)
4. Hope (N4)(ORV) vs. Wartburg (W6) (#24)

4 first round flights?

Yes, because there are no flights in the other pods until round 3. However, the committee could rearrange that travel pod for Berry vs. Huntington and a potential 2nd round match-up between Chapman and Redlands that wouldn't require a flight.

Who's this Huntington you're talking about? 

[desertcat1]

So here is my updated take:

1. Mount Union (N1)(#1) vs. SUNY-Maritime (NR)(NR)
2. Muhlenberg (S2)(#5) vs. Framingham State (NR)(NR)
3. Wesley (E2)(#12) vs. Western New England (E6)(NR)
4. Union (E4)(#14) vs. Brockport (E5)(#22)

1. UMHB (S1)(#2) vs. Huntington (NR)(NR)
2. Chapman (W2)(#13) vs. Linfield (W7)(#19)
3. Delaware Valley (E3)(#11) vs. Central (W5)(#25)
4. Redlands (W3)(#18) vs. Berry (S6)(#23)

1. Salisbury (E1)(#7) vs. NEWMAC CHAMP (NR)(NR)
2. Wheaton (Ill.) (N2)(#4) vs. Hanover (N9)(NR)
3. Case Western (S5)(#20) vs. Wabash (N7)(NR)
4. Bridgewater (Va.) (S3)(#21) vs. Susquehanna (S4)(#16)

1. UW-Whitewater (W1)(#3) vs. Martin Luther (NR)(NR)
3. North Central (Ill.) (N3)(#6) vs. Monmouth (W8)(NR)
2. St. Johns (W4)(#8) vs. Aurora (N6)(NR)(NR)
4. Hope (N4)(ORV) vs. Wartburg (W6) (#24)

4 first round flights?

Sorry charlie. That won't FLY.

[USee]

Here is the mock bracket with current D3.Com rankings (not a factor in selection) included (I used HansenRatings for teams not in the top 37 of D3.com):

Top Right:
#1 Mt Union vs #220 SUNY Maritime
#32 Hope vs #25 Central
#12 Wesley vs #75 Framingham St
#21 Bridgewater vs #20 CWRU

Bottom Right:
#3 Whitewater vs #139 Martin Luther
#8 St Johns vs #37 Aurora
#4 Wheaton vs #34 Hanover
#6 North Central vs #24 Wartburg

Top Left:
#2 UMHB vs #58 Monmouth
#23 Berry vs #103 Huntingdon
#13 Chapman vs #19 Linfield
#18 Redlands vs #61 Wabash

Bottom Left:
#7 Salisbury vs #67* Newmac (* is highest rated of the 3 candidates)
#14 Union vs #16 Susquehanna
#5 Muhlenberg vs #88 Western NE
#11 Del Valley vs #22 Brockport

[MRMIKESMITH]

Here is the mock bracket with current D3.Com rankings (not a factor in selection) included (I used HansenRatings for teams not in the top 37 of D3.com):

Top Right:
#1 Mt Union vs #220 SUNY Maritime
#32 Hope vs #25 Central
#12 Wesley vs #75 Framingham St
#21 Bridgewater vs #20 CWRU

Bottom Right:
#3 Whitewater vs #139 Martin Luther
#8 St Johns vs #37 Aurora
#4 Wheaton vs #34 Hanover
#6 North Central vs #24 Wartburg

Top Left:
#2 UMHB vs #58 Monmouth
#23 Berry vs #103 Huntingdon
#13 Chapman vs #19 Linfield
#18 Redlands vs #61 Wabash

Bottom Left:
#7 Salisbury vs #67* Newmac (* is highest rated of the 3 candidates)
#14 Union vs #16 Susquehanna
#5 Muhlenberg vs #88 Western NE
#11 Del Valley vs #22 Brockport

I'm not sure using Hansen for rankings will give an accurate picture. I'd just use the Top 4 teams rankings per DIII, which would give a better indicator. From Top to Bottom, the average (rounding to nearest ranking) would be 14, 5, 14, 9. So in theory, prior year finalist and runner-up would have the easiest bracket per DIII rankings. In my bracket, which there would not be any flights until round 3 outside of the 4 flights in the travel pod. The average ranking would be 8, 11, 12, 10, which would be much fair IMHO and saves the NCAA money.

[wally_wabash]

Whitewater, St. John's, North Central, Wheaton, maybe Bethel, Wartburg...you cannot get all of those teams away from each other.  You just can't do it.  Maybe you could peel a pod away and pair them up with Mount Union, but that creates the same issue in another part of the bracket.  There's a concentrated pocket of really strong teams there, and there isn't much flexibility in what you can do with them. 

[jamtod]

Whitewater, St. John's, North Central, Wheaton, maybe Bethel, Wartburg...you cannot get all of those teams away from each other.  You just can't do it.  Maybe you could peel a pod away and pair them up with Mount Union, but that creates the same issue in another part of the bracket.  There's a concentrated pocket of really strong teams there, and there isn't much flexibility in what you can do with them.

How does Wheaton's case for a #1 seed stack up with Salisbury?
(I understand that geographical logistics factor in, although Mount Union could go east again)

[USee]

Here is the mock bracket with current D3.Com rankings (not a factor in selection) included (I used HansenRatings for teams not in the top 37 of D3.com):

Top Right:
#1 Mt Union vs #220 SUNY Maritime
#32 Hope vs #25 Central
#12 Wesley vs #75 Framingham St
#21 Bridgewater vs #20 CWRU

Bottom Right:
#3 Whitewater vs #139 Martin Luther
#8 St Johns vs #37 Aurora
#4 Wheaton vs #34 Hanover
#6 North Central vs #24 Wartburg

Top Left:
#2 UMHB vs #58 Monmouth
#23 Berry vs #103 Huntingdon
#13 Chapman vs #19 Linfield
#18 Redlands vs #61 Wabash

Bottom Left:
#7 Salisbury vs #67* Newmac (* is highest rated of the 3 candidates)
#14 Union vs #16 Susquehanna
#5 Muhlenberg vs #88 Western NE
#11 Del Valley vs #22 Brockport

I'm not sure using Hansen for rankings will give an accurate picture. I'd just use the Top 4 teams rankings per DIII, which would give a better indicator.

I did use the D3 ratings, unless a team wasn't in their poll, in which case Hansen was used (WNE, Newmac, wabash, Monmouth, Huntingdon, ML, Framingham, SUNYM)

[USee]

Whitewater, St. John's, North Central, Wheaton, maybe Bethel, Wartburg...you cannot get all of those teams away from each other.  You just can't do it.  Maybe you could peel a pod away and pair them up with Mount Union, but that creates the same issue in another part of the bracket.  There's a concentrated pocket of really strong teams there, and there isn't much flexibility in what you can do with them.

How does Wheaton's case for a #1 seed stack up with Salisbury?
(I understand that geographical logistics factor in, although Mount Union could go east again)

Wheaton 9-0, .583 SOS, 2-0 RRO
Salisbury 9-0, .501 SOS, 2-0 RRO

If UWO loses to UWW Salisbury loses an RRO, If Monmouth loses to SNC Wheaton loses an RRO. Wheatons SOS will go to around .540 after Saturday and Salisbury will dip to about .490 I would guess.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Here is the mock bracket with current D3.Com rankings (not a factor in selection) included (I used HansenRatings for teams not in the top 37 of D3.com):

Top Right:
#1 Mt Union vs #220 SUNY Maritime
#32 Hope vs #25 Central
#12 Wesley vs #75 Framingham St
#21 Bridgewater vs #20 CWRU

Bottom Right:
#3 Whitewater vs #139 Martin Luther
#8 St Johns vs #37 Aurora
#4 Wheaton vs #34 Hanover
#6 North Central vs #24 Wartburg

Top Left:
#2 UMHB vs #58 Monmouth
#23 Berry vs #103 Huntingdon
#13 Chapman vs #19 Linfield
#18 Redlands vs #61 Wabash

Bottom Left:
#7 Salisbury vs #67* Newmac (* is highest rated of the 3 candidates)
#14 Union vs #16 Susquehanna
#5 Muhlenberg vs #88 Western NE
#11 Del Valley vs #22 Brockport

I'm not sure using Hansen for rankings will give an accurate picture. I'd just use the Top 4 teams rankings per DIII, which would give a better indicator.

I did use the D3 ratings, unless a team wasn't in their poll, in which case Hansen was used (WNE, Newmac, wabash, Monmouth, Huntingdon, ML, Framingham, SUNYM)

I'm not sure using Hansen for rankings will give an accurate picture because some team rankings out severe outliers and would skew the average. I'd just use the Top 4 teams rankings per DIII, which would give a better indicator. From Top to Bottom, the average (rounding to nearest ranking) would be 14, 5, 14, 9. So in theory, prior year finalist and runner-up would have the easiest bracket per DIII rankings. In my bracket, which there would not be any flights until round 3 outside of the 4 flights in the travel pod. The average ranking would be 8, 11, 12, 10, which would be much fair IMHO and saves the NCAA money.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Whitewater, St. John's, North Central, Wheaton, maybe Bethel, Wartburg...you cannot get all of those teams away from each other.  You just can't do it.  Maybe you could peel a pod away and pair them up with Mount Union, but that creates the same issue in another part of the bracket.  There's a concentrated pocket of really strong teams there, and there isn't much flexibility in what you can do with them.

How does Wheaton's case for a #1 seed stack up with Salisbury?
(I understand that geographical logistics factor in, although Mount Union could go east again)

Wheaton 9-0, .583 SOS, 2-0 RRO
Salisbury 9-0, .501 SOS, 2-0 RRO

If UWO loses to UWW Salisbury loses an RRO, If Monmouth loses to SNC Wheaton loses an RRO. Wheatons SOS will go to around .540 after Saturday and Salisbury will dip to about .490 I would guess.

In my projected bracket have both teams in the same pod. Regardless, week 3 of playoffs they'd end up playing each other. IMHO, it doesn't matter to me based upon my bracket. I would say that Week 3 of playoffs Wheaton has a higher chance of snowfall than in Salisbury 

[wally_wabash]

Whitewater, St. John's, North Central, Wheaton, maybe Bethel, Wartburg...you cannot get all of those teams away from each other.  You just can't do it.  Maybe you could peel a pod away and pair them up with Mount Union, but that creates the same issue in another part of the bracket.  There's a concentrated pocket of really strong teams there, and there isn't much flexibility in what you can do with them.

How does Wheaton's case for a #1 seed stack up with Salisbury?
(I understand that geographical logistics factor in, although Mount Union could go east again)

Wheaton 9-0, .583 SOS, 2-0 RRO
Salisbury 9-0, .501 SOS, 2-0 RRO

If UWO loses to UWW Salisbury loses an RRO, If Monmouth loses to SNC Wheaton loses an RRO. Wheatons SOS will go to around .540 after Saturday and Salisbury will dip to about .490 I would guess.

Nobody loses an RRO.  Those teams ranked this week count whether they lose or not on Saturday. 

[USee]

OK, I didn't remember that. So we are almost at once ranked, always ranked but not quite.

So this:

Wheaton 9-0, .583 SOS, 2-0 RRO
Salisbury 9-0, .501 SOS, 2-0 RRO

after Saturday, becomes this:

Wheaton 10-0, .540 SOS, 2-0 RRO
Salisbury 10-0, .490 SOS, 2-0 RRO

Provided WashU doesn't reappear in the North (unlikely), this should be pretty close to what those two profiles look like.