1981 Ivy League Preview

[Mr.Right]

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1981/9/14/ivy-soccer-the-nucleus-of-parity/

[Mr.Right]

2021 Ivy League Standings:

https://ivyleague.com/standings.aspx?standings=2181

[Hopkins92]

Hey, so, um... What's all this then. :-)

[Mr.Right]

Was bored just felt like adding some Ivy stuff.

[Saint of Old]

OK...
I thought your point was that a coach makes all the difference and Harvard got themselves a quite good one who is in the process of turning the program around.
Tufts seems to not have missed a beat in the meantime. Seems the culture he created there is still strong.

[Mr.Right]

OK...
I thought your point was that a coach makes all the difference and Harvard got themselves a quite good one who is in the process of turning the program around.
Tufts seems to not have missed a beat in the meantime. Seems the culture he created there is still strong.

Absolutely agreed. It had nothing to do with Shapiro and he seems to be doing well.


Just some similar type schools. Dartmouth has 2,000 students and really should be a Nescac.


One more....Patriot League



Erik Ronning had done a really good job building Colgate into a Regional Powerhouse and making runs into the NCAA's but they finished 0-18-0. I do not think the job would open up because of his past success and he is a former player there but it might down the road if this continues.



https://patriotleague.org/standings.aspx?path=msoc

[deutschfan]

Sticking with the Ivy theme, Cornell was totally shafted by the NCAA selection committee this year.

[Mr.Right]

Sticking with the Ivy theme, Cornell was totally shafted by the NCAA selection committee this year.

Agreed. I think in D1 they really focus on Quality of Road results and Cornell's non-con Quality results were at Home. Had that Wake Forest result been a Draw instead of an OT Loss I think Cornell would have slipped in.

Have no idea why Men's Soccer HC's do not push for a 4 team tournament like BB.

Lastly, that 5-4 Cornell victory over Harvard was one of the crazier games of the year. Cornell blew Harvard off the field 1st Half grabbing a 5-0 lead at Halftime. They then proceeded to assume the game was over when I am sure Harvard got a tongue lashing at Halftime or they were completely ignored. Harvard works all the way back to 5-4 with six minutes left in the game. An incredible effort and highlights here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEufi4mBk9I

[BracketMaster]

OK...
I thought your point was that a coach makes all the difference and Harvard got themselves a quite good one who is in the process of turning the program around.
Tufts seems to not have missed a beat in the meantime. Seems the culture he created there is still strong.

Absolutely agreed. It had nothing to do with Shapiro and he seems to be doing well.


Just some similar type schools. Dartmouth has 2,000 students and really should be a Nescac.

I believe Dartmouth has closer to 4,500 students in its undergraduate program. Tufts is the only school in the Nescac with more.

[deutschfan]

Mr. Right:  You look at that Cornell/Harvard replay and have to wonder how Tyler Bagley was not Ivy player of the year.  On a different but Ivy League and D3 related subject--I have been wondering why the Varsity Blues scandal didn't envelope some of the top D3 programs.  With the UCLA and Yale soccer coaches charged as well as coaches from many other top D1 academic schools it would seem that parents would also be willing to fudge their children's sports credentials to get into an Amherst, Williams, U Chicago, Hopkins, Swarthmore or a plethora of other great academic schools.  It would also seem to be easier as no scholarship money is involved so the scrutiny at a D3 school of applicants' athletic accomplishments as touted by the coaches may be less.  In soccer where maybe 20 players see the pitch during the course of a season and a dozen sit and watch would it be outlandish to assume that a program or coach would be willing to exchange a spot at the end of the bench for a six figure sum?  Laudably it appears the top D3 schools were immune but I would have thought they would have been a fat target for a guy like Singer.

[Hopkins92]

The problem* for D3 schools, like the ones you listed, is that you can be the best soccer player in your state, you still need to come strong with academics. There are only a handful of D1 schools that adhere to the same type of standards that Swarthmore (one example of the many great schools you listed ;-)) holds applicants to. You either have the overall academic chops, or you don't.

But if a coach at a D1 school puts their thumb on the scale AND (crucially) also has someone in the AD working with that coach... they can slide someone in JUST on their (fake) athletic prowess. You can't just prop up an SAT/ACT score and have middling grades and waltz into UofC to (fake) play on the (do they even have) water polo team. 

ETA - Problem is the wrong word to use, but in the context of being able to pull off this caper...

[Gregory Sager]

The problem* for D3 schools, like the ones you listed, is that you can be the best soccer player in your state, you still need to come strong with academics. There are only a handful of D1 schools that adhere to the same type of standards that Swarthmore (one example of the many great schools you listed ;-)) holds applicants to. You either have the overall academic chops, or you don't.

But if a coach at a D1 school puts their thumb on the scale AND (crucially) also has someone in the AD working with that coach... they can slide someone in JUST on their (fake) athletic prowess. You can't just prop up an SAT/ACT score and have middling grades and waltz into UofC to (fake) play on the (do they even have) water polo team.

Nope, they don't.

Unless, of course, the U of C has a fake water polo team.

Hmmm ...

[Mr.Right]

Yea the Former Yale Women's Soccer HC was a total nightmare. I had heard he was sketchy even before the whole scandal opened up. What a complete disaster that was. Now I am sure all these teams have to "check" and "re-check" any C-Bands with some sort of administrative bureaucrat.

[Mr.Right]

OK...
I thought your point was that a coach makes all the difference and Harvard got themselves a quite good one who is in the process of turning the program around.
Tufts seems to not have missed a beat in the meantime. Seems the culture he created there is still strong.

Absolutely agreed. It had nothing to do with Shapiro and he seems to be doing well.


Just some similar type schools. Dartmouth has 2,000 students and really should be a Nescac.

I believe Dartmouth has closer to 4,500 students in its undergraduate program. Tufts is the only school in the Nescac with more.

Still should be a Nescac. Did you not have some sort of bracket thing to update us on?