UAA soccer 2021

[jaybird44]

So, if WashU and Emory end up at 14 points and share the UAA championship, what is the sequence of tiebreakers to be used to break the tie for AQ purposes?

Both teams would be 4-1-2 and played to a scoreless draw in head-to-head play.

I see from this very informative board and from the analysis by deiscanton, that WashU has a sizable advantage in goal differential. 

Tried to find a tiebreaker procedure on the UAA website but I have not had success finding it.

[deiscanton]

Jaybird44--

Good to hear from you again.  I hope that you are doing well with all of the work that you do with all of the Wash U home games.  I notice that you do not do commentary for the volleyball, but that is because you do the public address system for home volleyball games.

I posted the tiebreaker criteria a few weeks ago, and I am bringing this back up for review.....

It is early, but it is never too early to review the AQ tiebreakers for UAA soccer if two or more teams are tied in points for the Association championship at the end of all 7 UAA matchdays:

From the UAA Soccer Code of Conduct:

3 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, 0 points for a loss-- Single round-robin

The team in the lead after all 7 matchdays of the single round-robin shall be the Association Champion.  If two or more teams are tied in points after all 7 matchdays, these teams will be the Association Co-Champions.

If there are co-champions, the tiebreaker is as follows:

(1)  Head-to-head competition between the co-champions.

(2)  Total goal differential up to a maximum of 3 goals per individual match between the co-champions.

(3)  Points earned in UAA road games (This step shall only be used if the co-champions have played the same number of UAA road games, otherwise, this step shall be skipped.)

(4)  Points earned against succeeding teams in the UAA standings.

(5)  Most wins in UAA competition.

(6)  Fewest goals conceded in UAA competition.

(7)  Most goals scored in UAA competition (Counting up to 3 goals per match.)

(8)  Coin flip administered by the UAA Executive Vice-President. (Dick Rasmussen)

In cases of ties among 3 or more teams, apply the criteria in order until an AQ is determined, or 1 or more teams are eliminated.  Once one or more teams are eliminated, go back to the beginning of the tiebreaker criteria among the remaining tied teams until an AQ is determined or another team is eliminated.  Repeat until an AQ is determined.

If a coin flip is needed to resolve a tie among 3 or more teams, the coin flip shall be used to eliminate
one team, and the tiebreaker criteria then gets reapplied back at the beginning among the remaining tied teams until an AQ is determined or another tied team is eliminated.

If the round-robin cannot be completed, and the designated tie-breaking criteria cannot be equitably applied, then the head coaches of the UAA men's soccer teams will vote as to who is the Association Champion and gets the AQ.  Any head coach of a team that may be affected by this decision will be replaced by the Athletic Director of that institution, who shall serve as a non-voting member of that committee.

The tiebreaker criteria is from the current UAA Soccer Code of Conduct as of August 1, 2021, and a link to it can be found on the UAA Men's Soccer home page.

The goal differential in UAA play (as adjusted so that no more than a 3 goal difference per individual match can be credited to a team if a team wins a UAA match in conference play by 4 goals or more) is tiebreaker criteria #2.

As such, Wash U currently has the advantage.  Emory can only get to a +5 goal differential after matchday 7 even if they beat Rochester by 7 goals on Saturday thanks to the adjusted goal rule.  A tie with Chicago keeps Wash U at a +8 goal differential.  Therefore, Wash U would get the AQ in that instance.

7:22 AM Eastern-- November 2, 2021 update-- The performance of Wash U vs Carnegie Mellon and CWRU over this past weekend (2 wins by Wash U, and the Bears improved their goal differential by 5 over these 2 games) vs Emory's performance earlier this season vs these same two teams (1 win and 1 tie with the Eagles only improving their goal differential by 1 over those 2 games)  primarily accounts for the current goal differentials in UAA play of both Wash U and Emory.

[WUPHF]

Washington University is ranked No. 3 according to the coaches poll while NYU is RV.  Interesting...

https://unitedsoccercoaches.org/rankings/college-rankings/ncaa-diii-men/

[deiscanton]

Washington University is ranked No. 3 according to the coaches poll while NYU is RV.  Interesting...

https://unitedsoccercoaches.org/rankings/college-rankings/ncaa-diii-men/

In their regional poll, United Soccer Coaches voted NYU at #4 in the Region IV poll this week behind Montclair State, Penn State Harrisburg, and Rutgers-Newark.  Interesting.....

D3Soccer.com Top 25 poll this week has NYU at #16 nationally, and Wash U at #9.  Chicago is the highest ranked UAA men's team in that poll at #7.  Just some interesting things to discuss....

However, the NCAA rankings tomorrow for Week 3 are the ones that count....

[WUPHF]

However, the NCAA rankings tomorrow for Week 3 are the ones that count....

I get it, I only pay attention for the fun of it.

NYU is unquestionably a Top 25 team and hence the comment.

By the way, I am trying to remember, how do they determine hosting privileges for schools with two soccer programs that get a postseason invitation?  Is that universal in Division III so alternating year to year, similar to basketball?

[deiscanton]

However, the NCAA rankings tomorrow for Week 3 are the ones that count....

I get it, I only pay attention for the fun of it.

NYU is unquestionably a Top 25 team and hence the comment.

By the way, I am trying to remember, how do they determine hosting privileges for schools with two soccer programs that get a postseason invitation?  Is that universal in Division III so alternating year to year, similar to basketball?

Actually, I do believe that U.Chicago has been allowed to host rounds in both the DIII men's and women's soccer tournament in the same week in the past due to the uniqueness of having 2 well cared for soccer pitches on campus and a game crew that can support both tournaments at the same time-- (the Stagg Field turf/"football field" is used for the men's tourney-- night games), and (the Stagg grass field next door is used for the women's tournament (day games)).   (The grass field is the home field for the Chicago women).  However, that is an exception to the rule.  Usually, the basketball principles apply in that women get preference to host one week, and the men get preference to host the following week, and it alternates year to year.

[Buck O.]

However, the NCAA rankings tomorrow for Week 3 are the ones that count....

I get it, I only pay attention for the fun of it.

NYU is unquestionably a Top 25 team and hence the comment.

By the way, I am trying to remember, how do they determine hosting privileges for schools with two soccer programs that get a postseason invitation?  Is that universal in Division III so alternating year to year, similar to basketball?

This may be an issue for WashU for the first time in a while.  It's a good problem to have.

But, while it's clear what "alternating" hosting privileges means if a school's men's and women's teams both routinely qualify as potential hosts for the NCAA tournament (e.g., Messiah), it's not obvious what "alternating" would mean in the case of a school like WashU, where the women's team routinely qualifies to host but the men's team does not. 

My guess, and this is a guess, is that you would go back to the last time there was a conflict in that both the men's and women's teams would have been eligible to host and see who got to host then, and let the other team host the next time there is a conflict.  Applying this approach to WashU:  The last two times the men's team qualified for the tournament were in 2015 and 2016.  In 2015, the women's team did not host the first weekend in 2015, but they did host the second weekend.  So presumably they would have hosted first-weekend matches if the field had been available, but the field was busy because the men's team hosted first-weekend matches that year, indicating that the conflict was resolved in favor of the men's team.  Now, in 2016, which was the last time the men's team made the tournament, the women got to host first-weekend matches, but I don't think the men's team was considered as a potential host, so there wouldn't have been a conflict.  All of that suggests that the women's team would get priority this year.

But is this how it actually works?  As I said, that seems to be a reasonable approach to me, but that doesn't mean that's how it's done.

[WUPHF]

Based on what you are saying, the men's team must get priority in odd years and so the men would get to host the first weekend.

[hickory_cornhusker]

https://www.d3soccer.com/ncaa-publications/2021/2021-NCAA-Division-III-Soccer-Pre-Championships-Manual.pdf

Page 25 says women have hosting priority the first weekend in odd years. Men have hosting priority the second weekend in odd years.

[WUPHF]

Thanks and interesting.  The Women were 20-3-1 in 2015 and made it to the national championship and still had to go on the road for the first weekend.

[Buck O.]

Thanks and interesting.  The Women were 20-3-1 in 2015 and made it to the national championship and still had to go on the road for the first weekend.

Yeah.  They sure didn't seem to get priority in 2015, but maybe the rule wasn't in effect then.

Anyway, I like the rule I made up better, but that doesn't matter in the slightest.

[WUPHF]

Earlier, the Brandeis save against Emory was described as one of the best of the season. I am not sure if that was shared on the boards, but Brandeis has posted that and others on social media.  It is worth the watch.

https://twitter.com/BrandeisJudges/status/1455996303578738698

[deiscanton]

Earlier, the Brandeis save against Emory was described as one of the best of the season. I am not sure if that was shared on the boards, but Brandeis has posted that and others on social media.  It is worth the watch.

https://twitter.com/BrandeisJudges/status/1455996303578738698

Brandeis goalkeeper Aiden Guthro got the DIII National Player of the Week Award from the United Soccer Coaches this week for his performance in the game vs Emory.

[WUPHF]

A well deserved honor for the Brandeis keeper.

As an aside, Emory had one of the best goals I have seen all season with the game winning free kick over NYU.  The goal was so consequential that I had to go back and watch it.

Here is the clip: https://imgur.com/a/7CKhCzK

[deiscanton]

Just starting to catch up, as the Emory vs Rochester women's soccer game ended in a scoreless draw, and the Mount St. Vincent men's soccer team just punched their ticket to the NCAA DIII Men's Soccer Tournament by winning the Skyline Conference AQ.  (Mount St. Vincent defeated NYU earlier this season).

At Gaelic Park in New York, Brandeis is leading over NYU, 1-0, on a goal from Jake Davis in the 10th minute-- assist from Jared Panson.  The match is in the 27th minute.

Emory and Rochester just about to kick off in the men's game now-- and that match is now underway as of 2:14 PM Eastern.