D3Boards.Com Soccer Top 20 Fan Poll

[PaulNewman]

1)  Messiah
2)  Mary Washington
3)  Middlebury
4)  Connecticut College
5)  Cortland St
6)  North Central
7)  Chicago
8)  Emory
9)  Amherst
10) Calvin
11) Bowdoin
12) Montclair St
13) Texas Lutheran
14) Tufts
15) John Carroll
16) Franklin & Marshall
17) Carleton
18) CWRU
19) Oneonta St
20) Kean
21) Lynchburg
22) Redlands
23) Oglethorpe
24) Christopher Newport
25) UW-Whitewater

On my ballot but not overall poll:  see bold italics

In poll but not on my ballot:   Mt. Union (had them in previously and fairly high but took a loss and then a weak draw with Baldwin-Wallace; Babson (I had in barely last poll and like Mt. Union for me right on the edge of being in or out); New Paltz and Platteville (and can't argue with either as I've had both grouped within a large cluster any of whom could make a strong claim for somewhere in the 18-25 range...and of course the UW-W pick looks silly today after Platteville smoked them last night 4-0 but they were 11-0-4 before that with a couple of impressive wins).

Imo this was the toughest week so far with so many teams including at the top picking up blemishes.  My biggest disagreements with the group outcome are that Oneonta wasn't punished enough for back to back losses, Montclair too after a very bad loss (although someone had to be slotted higher than one might feel comfortable with), Tufts and F&M imo are too high based on current resumes.  I think Oglethorpe has been underrated all year and they had another good result 2-2 with Emory last night and iirc Emory was trailing 2-1.  I'm sure I have Chicago too high but truthfully I thought at least half of the top 10 didn't belong in the top 10 and someone had to go there.  I didn't vote for Kenyon but weird to see them get less votes than OWU and ONU after beating OWU and Denison back to back. 

Toughest teams for me to leave out, other than a few mentioned above, were Leb Valley (I had in last week), Washington College ("the Oglethorpe of the Mid-Atlantic"), maybe MSOE, and that's about it.  Some heavyweights like St Olaf, Kenyon, and W&L are trending up so may not be able to hold them off for long.  Very curious to see how things turn out for Hopkins and North Park as well.

[Coach Jeff]

My top 25

RANK   SCHOOLS
1   Messiah
2   Middlebury
3   Connecticut College
4   Mary Washington
5   Amherst
6   Charleton
7   North Central (IL)
8   Cortland st
9   montclair st
10   texas lutheran
11   Bowdoin
12   Calvin
13   Redlands
14   Christopher Newport
15   tufts
16   chicago
17   UW-Whitewater
18   Franklin and Marshall
19   oneonta St
20   St Thomas TX
21   oglethrope
22   Lebanon valley
23   Emory
24   mt union
25   Colorado College

[jknezek]

Down a voter this week due to unforeseen circumstances. Pretty stable week, with only Chicago and Texas Lutheran dropping significantly. Only Carleton made a big move up to the top 10, with the rest of the top 10 mostly holding serve. John Carrol at 16 is the lowest rated team to receive a spot on all ballots, Emory, at 12, is the highest rated team not on all ballots.

D3Boards.com Soccer Fan Poll Games as of 10/15/2023

National Top 25

Rank		School			Points		Weekly Change		Voter Breakdown
1		Messiah (7)			175		0		1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1
2		Mary Washington			159		0		2, 4, 4, 2, 6, 2, 3
3		Amherst			146		2		5, 6, 5, 4, 4, 6, 6
T4		Connecticut College			145		-1		4, 3, 3, 7, 12, 4, 4
T4		Middlebury			145		0		3, 2, 2, 15, 10, 3, 2
6		Franklin and Marshall			130		1		10, 8, 12, 3, 3, 5, 11
7		North Central (IL)			125		-1		7, 7, 7, 16, 2, 8, 10
8		Tufts			119		-1		6, 14, 10, 9, 5, 14, 5
9		Cortland State			96		1		11, 9, 6, 10, 7, 22, 21
10		Carleton			90		6		16, 5, 13, 17, 14, 18, 9
11		Montclair State			89		-2		8, 12, 14, 24, 11, 10, 14
12		Emory			84		1		17, 20, 8, 6, 9, 12
13		Christopher Newport			82		4		12, 15, 18, 5, 16, 8
14		Calvin			77		4		14, 11, 9, 22, 8, 19, 22
15		Oneonta State			75		-3		13, 18, 20, 11, 13, 25, 7
16		John Carroll			67		6		15, 21, 11, 19, 17, 7, 25
17		Bowdoin			62		-6		9, 23, 16, 19, 12, 15
18		Redlands			55		2		10, 17, 9, 13
19		UW-Platteville			48		6		18, 16, 24, 8, 16
20		Colorado College			46		---		13, 22, 13, 25, 11
21		Mount Union			41		2		19, 17, 21, 13, 19
22		Chicago			36		-8		20, 19, 15, 25, 15
23		St. Olaf			33		---		25, 19, 12, 17, 24
24		Case Western Reserve			27		-5		25, 14, 23, 23, 18
25		Babson			21		0		23, 18, 16

Also Receiving Votes:
Kenyon (18) , Lynchburg (17) , St. Thomas (TX) (14) , Rochester (11) , Trinity (TX) (8) , Kean (6) , Texas Lutheran (6) , Wartburg (6) , Ohio Wesleyan (5) , Pacific Lutheran (5) , New Paltz State (3) , MSOE (2) , Washington College (1)

Newly Ranked: Colorado College, St. Olaf
Dropped Out: Texas Lutheran (Prev:15), Lynchburg (Prev:21), New Paltz State (Prev:24)

1 = 1st Place Vote, 25 = 25th Place Vote in Voter Breakdown
Special Thanks to the Voters: Mid-Atlantic Fan, Coach Jeff, PaulNewman, Paclassic89, SimpleCoach, College Soccer Observer, Gregory Sager

[Coach Jeff]

My top 25

RANK   SCHOOLS
1   Messiah
2   Middlebury
3   Connecticut College
4   Mary Washington
5   Charleton
6   Amherst
7   North Central (IL)
8   Franklin and Marshall
9   Cortland st
10   Redlands
11   Calvin
12   montclair st
13   Colorado College
14   tufts
15   christopher newport
16   UW-Platteville
17   mt. union
18   oneonta St
19   chicago
20   emory
21   John Carroll
22   Texas Lutheran
23   Bowdoin
24   kenyon
25   St. Olaf

[camosfan]

Why the fan poll seems to make more sense than USC?

[Coach Jeff]

I think USC tries to make as equal representation...no sure but I agree with you...

[College Soccer Observer]

USC has a formula that tries to spread out the top 25 across all ten regions.

[SKUD]

Last year SC aggressively crusaded against Williams a team that only won about 1/2 their games.  This year he has U Chicago in top 15 in a very similar situation with one could argue a weaker schedule.

What up SC?

[SKUD]

SC answer

Thats fair.  And it got me thinking.  So I posted this below last year when someone thought the absence of Williams from my poll was because I didn't like how they played.  Which in part is true.  But -

Williams                           6      1             10             28

Chicago for their part looks like this at season end this year -

Chicago                            7   2   5   26

The difference for me between these two teams? While Chicago doesn't look like last years team, they certainly can win a game.  With Williams I never thought they would "win".

Thanks for the response SC.

Make sense?  Makes 1 win more sense so maybe rank them 1 win better than where you had Williams a year ago?

[SimpleCoach]

Makes 1 win more sense so maybe rank them 1 win better than where you had Williams a year ago?

I'll just say this.  I take into account a lot of stuff that is neither quantifiable nor sensical.  If it were, Texas Lutheran would be ranked at 13*2 and at present, is not.

SC.

[PaulNewman]

Makes 1 win more sense so maybe rank them 1 win better than where you had Williams a year ago?

I'll just say this.  I take into account a lot of stuff that is neither quantifiable nor sensical.  If it were, Texas Lutheran would be ranked at 13*2 and at present, is not.

SC.

The resumes don't strike me as so similar.  10 draws vs 5 draws is the huge difference, but maybe the Maroons will get to 7 in the next two weekends before selection day.

[SKUD]

Maybe PN, but not so dissimilar that a ranker refused to rank Williams (and told anyone who would listen) and he slots in Chicago at #15.  Seems inconsistent.

[SimpleCoach]

Maybe PN, but not so dissimilar that a ranker refused to rank Williams (and told anyone who would listen) and he slots in Chicago at #15.  Seems inconsistent.

@SKUD, will happily have you on the channel so you can make the case for why I was wrong to rank 6-2-5 Chicago #15, or for not ranking a 5-1-7 Williams last year.  And you can walk through your rankings.  Platform is yours.

And I didn't tell anyone who would listen that I wasn't ranking Williams.  I never thought that highly of them.

SC.

[jknezek]

D3Boards.com Soccer Fan Poll Games as of 10/22/2023

National Top 25

Rank		School			Points		Weekly Change		Voter Breakdown
1		Messiah (7)			175		0		1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1
2		Mary Washington			163		0		2, 3, 2, 2, 4, 3, 3
3		Middlebury			156		1		3, 2, 3, 8, 6, 2, 2
4		Connecticut College			144		0		4, 4, 4, 5, 9, 7, 5
5		Franklin and Marshall			142		1		7, 5, 10, 3, 3, 4, 8
6		Amherst			136		-3		5, 11, 5, 4, 8, 9, 4
7		North Central (IL)			134		0		6, 6, 7, 12, 2, 8, 7
8		Emory			102		4		15, 12, 6, 7, 5, 9
9		Cortland State			99		0		10, 8, 9, 11, 5, 21, 19
10		Montclair State			93		1		8, 14, 11, 22, 10, 10, 14
11		Calvin			85		3		12, 7, 8, 23, 7, 19, 21
12		Tufts			84		-4		13, 17, 13, 12, 11, 6
13		Carleton			77		-3		16, 13, 14, 17, 16, 18, 11
14		Bowdoin			73		3		9, 25, 12, 13, 12, 12
15		Colorado College			70		5		24, 10, 15, 10, 21, 6
16		Christopher Newport			66		-3		11, 19, 22, 9, 19, 10
17		St. Olaf			65		6		16, 13, 6, 24, 17, 15
18		Kenyon			54		---		20, 17, 20, 18, 19, 20, 14
19		Redlands			52		-1		9, 19, 11, 13
20		Mount Union			44		1		19, 21, 16, 13, 17
21		Oneonta State			41		-6		14, 15, 14, 20
22		Chicago			36		0		17, 20, 16, 17, 24
23		UW-Platteville			34		-4		15, 14, 23, 18
24		Babson			21		1		22, 20, 15
25		Lynchburg			19		---		21, 15, 23

Also Receiving Votes:
St. Thomas (TX) (18) , Texas Lutheran (17) , Ohio Wesleyan (11) , Pacific Lutheran (11) , Kean (10) , Case Western Reserve (9) , Johns Hopkins (5) , Otterbein (5) , Wartburg (5) , John Carroll (4) , MSOE (3) , Washington College (3) , Wheaton (IL) (2) , Macalester (1) , Rochester (1) , Trinity (TX) (1)

Newly Ranked: Kenyon, Lynchburg
Dropped Out: John Carroll (Prev:16), Case Western Reserve (Prev:24)

1 = 1st Place Vote, 25 = 25th Place Vote in Voter Breakdown
Special Thanks to the Voters: Mid-Atlantic Fan, Coach Jeff, PaulNewman, Paclassic89, SimpleCoach, College Soccer Observer, Gregory Sager

[Coach Jeff]

My top 25

   Coach Jeff
   
RANK   SCHOOLS
1   Messiah
2   Middlebury
3   Mary Washington
4   Conn College
5   Franklin and Marshall
6   North Central (IL)
7   calvin
8   Cortland st
9   redlands
10   Colorado College
11   Amherst
12   Emory
13   carleton
14   montclair st
15   UW Platteville
16   St. Olaf
17   Kenyon
18   Texas Lutheran
19   Christopher Newport
20   Kenyon
21   Mt. Union
22   St. Thomas (TX)
23   Pacific Lutheran
24   Ohio Wesleyan
25   Bowdoin