Bracketology Projection

[IC798891]

As far as using your brain/staying true to the criteria, it's not an "or" it's an "and". You don't have to do one and not the other. They are meant to work together.

Right, but that's kind of my point. If you can't tell (or agree on) when a decision was influenced by the criteria, or by how much, you're just going to get complaints about a lack of transparency and bias.

I think there's a perfectly logical argument for re-doing some of the criteria to better reflect certain things, as both you and Wally say. But I think having criteria to follow is a good thing.

[USee]

As far as using your brain/staying true to the criteria, it's not an "or" it's an "and". You don't have to do one and not the other. They are meant to work together.

Right, but that's kind of my point. If you can't tell (or agree on) when a decision was influenced by the criteria, or by how much, you're just going to get complaints about a lack of transparency and bias.

I think there's a perfectly logical argument for re-doing some of the criteria to better reflect certain things, as both you and Wally say. But I think having criteria to follow is a good thing.

One thing is certain, when a group of people go into a room to decide someone else's fate, there will be complaints about transparency and bias. That's more about human nature than D3 criteria.

[SW1]

Regional Ranking 2 Updated Bracket - (I kept my other bracket intact until after this weekend slate of games) Unofficial DIII Bracketology

#1 seeds are: NCC, UWW, Mount, and St. John's
#2 Seeds are: UMHB, Central, Delaware Valley, and Cortland State
Pool C: UW-Lacrosse, Union, Birmingham Southern, Baldwin-Wallace, and Wheaton (Ill.)

Total Flights - 6-8

If it is 500 miles, you'll have to switch W&L with Huntingdon and Albion with Carnegie Mellon

I think this bracket solves the St. John's number 1 seed issue. It's possible! With the same number of flights. Unofficial DIII Bracketology

So you have MHB the last of your 2's and BSC the first 3rd with Trinity as 25th after beating BSC? So it is obvious you want St Johns as a 1 seed but I think your bracket is kinda wonky.

[Hawks88]

The pre-championship manual still says 500 miles. Has it just not been updated?

What's the date on the manual you checked? probably 20-21. This years wasn't ever posted.

It has been posted now. https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/football/d3/2021-22D3MFB_PreChampManual.pdf

definitely says 500 miles.

Updated 11/11, now says 600 miles though the other link still says 500.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/resources/travel/2021-22D3Champs_TravelPolicies.pdf

[MRMIKESMITH]

Regional Ranking 2 Updated Bracket - (I kept my other bracket intact until after this weekend slate of games) Unofficial DIII Bracketology

#1 seeds are: NCC, UWW, Mount, and St. John's
#2 Seeds are: UMHB, Central, Delaware Valley, and Cortland State
Pool C: UW-Lacrosse, Union, Birmingham Southern, Baldwin-Wallace, and Wheaton (Ill.)

Total Flights - 6-8

If it is 500 miles, you'll have to switch W&L with Huntingdon and Albion with Carnegie Mellon

I think this bracket solves the St. John's number 1 seed issue. It's possible! With the same number of flights. Unofficial DIII Bracketology

So you have MHB the last of your 2's and BSC the first 3rd with Trinity as 25th after beating BSC? So it is obvious you want St Johns as a 1 seed but I think your bracket is kinda wonky.

I'm not sure if you have been following the discussion or listening to the podcast over the years. Please disregard the seedings on the bracket. In essence, the DIII bracket is never built to appropriate seeding. However, the committee will try to be fair in terms of matchups. In regards to UMHB being a #2 Seed and the Trinity first round matchup, UMHB in comparison to other potential #1 seeds (NCC, UWW, and St. John's) all have better previous playoff experience. This is done when discussing #1 seeds. As for Mount Union, they will have 2-4 RR wins, it also helps regionally as well. Now regarding the Trinity vs. UMHB, the committee has never wavered from Texas teams playing each other in the 1st round if they are not in the same conference and are within the mileage range. Every bracket the committee puts out is going to be "Wonky" because it will never be true to seeding. Someone is always going to get upset, with one of them always being UMHB 1st round/2nd round opponent, the others being R6 teams facing off in 2nd round or R1/R2 team having a clear path to quarters or Mount's cakewalk to Semi's. Unless you have a few million dollars to sponsor the playoffs, outcomes like this will always be, when all of DIII athletics get about 3% of the funding. If I'm a Trinity or UMHB fan, you root for both B-SC and Hardin-Simmons to get into the playoff by way of RPI beating Union, Cortland beating Ithaca, John Carroll beating Baldwin-Wallace, and even St. John's beating Bethel for the 2nd time this season.

[SW1]

Regional Ranking 2 Updated Bracket - (I kept my other bracket intact until after this weekend slate of games) Unofficial DIII Bracketology

#1 seeds are: NCC, UWW, Mount, and St. John's
#2 Seeds are: UMHB, Central, Delaware Valley, and Cortland State
Pool C: UW-Lacrosse, Union, Birmingham Southern, Baldwin-Wallace, and Wheaton (Ill.)

Total Flights - 6-8

If it is 500 miles, you'll have to switch W&L with Huntingdon and Albion with Carnegie Mellon

I think this bracket solves the St. John's number 1 seed issue. It's possible! With the same number of flights. Unofficial DIII Bracketology

So you have MHB the last of your 2's and BSC the first 3rd with Trinity as 25th after beating BSC? So it is obvious you want St Johns as a 1 seed but I think your bracket is kinda wonky.

I'm not sure if you have been following the discussion or listening to the podcast over the years. Please disregard the seedings on the bracket. In essence, the DIII bracket is never built to appropriate seeding. However, the committee will try to be fair in terms of matchups. In regards to UMHB being a #2 Seed and the Trinity first round matchup, UMHB in comparison to other potential #1 seeds (NCC, UWW, and St. John's) all have better previous playoff experience. This is done when discussing #1 seeds. As for Mount Union, they will have 2-4 RR wins, it also helps regionally as well. Now regarding the Trinity vs. UMHB, the committee has never wavered from Texas teams playing each other in the 1st round if they are not in the same conference and are within the mileage range. Every bracket the committee puts out is going to be "Wonky" because it will never be true to seeding. Someone is always going to get upset, with one of them always being UMHB 1st round/2nd round opponent, the others being R6 teams facing off in 2nd round or R1/R2 team having a clear path to quarters or Mount's cakewalk to Semi's. Unless you have a few million dollars to sponsor the playoffs, outcomes like this will always be, when all of DIII athletics get about 3% of the funding. If I'm a Trinity or UMHB fan, you root for both B-SC and Hardin-Simmons to get into the playoff by way of RPI beating Union, Cortland beating Ithaca, John Carroll beating Baldwin-Wallace, and even St. John's beating Bethel for the 2nd time this season.

Sad thing is that is only really about money. Every year they try to get the Island teams out early so they can limit travel. Always forcing them to play either first or second round and its usually 2 Texas teams. Let BSC fly to MHB first round and maybe second round can be a bus ride for Trinity vs MHB. That still limits a flight which seems to be the major criteria.

[jknezek]

Regional Ranking 2 Updated Bracket - (I kept my other bracket intact until after this weekend slate of games) Unofficial DIII Bracketology

#1 seeds are: NCC, UWW, Mount, and St. John's
#2 Seeds are: UMHB, Central, Delaware Valley, and Cortland State
Pool C: UW-Lacrosse, Union, Birmingham Southern, Baldwin-Wallace, and Wheaton (Ill.)

Total Flights - 6-8

If it is 500 miles, you'll have to switch W&L with Huntingdon and Albion with Carnegie Mellon

I think this bracket solves the St. John's number 1 seed issue. It's possible! With the same number of flights. Unofficial DIII Bracketology

So you have MHB the last of your 2's and BSC the first 3rd with Trinity as 25th after beating BSC? So it is obvious you want St Johns as a 1 seed but I think your bracket is kinda wonky.

I'm not sure if you have been following the discussion or listening to the podcast over the years. Please disregard the seedings on the bracket. In essence, the DIII bracket is never built to appropriate seeding. However, the committee will try to be fair in terms of matchups. In regards to UMHB being a #2 Seed and the Trinity first round matchup, UMHB in comparison to other potential #1 seeds (NCC, UWW, and St. John's) all have better previous playoff experience. This is done when discussing #1 seeds. As for Mount Union, they will have 2-4 RR wins, it also helps regionally as well. Now regarding the Trinity vs. UMHB, the committee has never wavered from Texas teams playing each other in the 1st round if they are not in the same conference and are within the mileage range. Every bracket the committee puts out is going to be "Wonky" because it will never be true to seeding. Someone is always going to get upset, with one of them always being UMHB 1st round/2nd round opponent, the others being R6 teams facing off in 2nd round or R1/R2 team having a clear path to quarters or Mount's cakewalk to Semi's. Unless you have a few million dollars to sponsor the playoffs, outcomes like this will always be, when all of DIII athletics get about 3% of the funding. If I'm a Trinity or UMHB fan, you root for both B-SC and Hardin-Simmons to get into the playoff by way of RPI beating Union, Cortland beating Ithaca, John Carroll beating Baldwin-Wallace, and even St. John's beating Bethel for the 2nd time this season.

Sad thing is that is only really about money. Every year they try to get the Island teams out early so they can limit travel. Always forcing them to play either first or second round and its usually 2 Texas teams. Let BSC fly to MHB first round and maybe second round can be a bus ride for Trinity vs MHB. That still limits a flight which seems to be the major criteria.

The committee is charged with limiting flights in the First Round, not the later rounds.

[Inkblot]

What happens if UWL loses?

[Inkblot]

Looks like the Liberty League is out of the Pool C race.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Looks like the Liberty League is out of the Pool C race.

Wow! What a day!

[Inkblot]

Bubble teams nervously watching this MIAC ending.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Bubble teams nervously watching this MIAC ending.

Another Crazy ending!!!!

[archgemini24]

Bubble teams nervously watching this MIAC ending.

Johnnies just scored to help them breath a bit (edit: and got the W). BW also helped everyone by utterly collapsing against John Carroll.

Unless I misunderstood a lot of the scenarios, the games this week cleaned up things a lot for HSU and Wheaton.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Bubble teams nervously watching this MIAC ending.

Johnnies just scored to help them breath a bit (edit: and got the W). BW also helped everyone by utterly collapsing against John Carroll.

Unless I misunderstood a lot of the scenarios, the games this week cleaned up things a lot for HSU and Wheaton.

How I see it - UW-LaCrosse, Wheaton, Birmingham-Southern, Hardin-Simmons, and John's Hopkins or Bethel

This was a crazy day...

[sjujohnnie]

When is the selection show?