2021 NCAA Tournament

[jknezek]

Yeah, I assume it's W&L or between W&L and Messiah if Messiah wins.  I know it's a good venue and usually a good field, but just noticed a lot of traction issues both days.

BTW, CNU was in the Kenyon Sectional before in 2014.  Lost in Elite 8 to OWU in PKs in 50 mph winds.

I bet they weren't the favorite to come out of their opening weekend quad!

[Flying Weasel]

I don't know if W&L is favored to host a sectional or if that depends on results tomorrow, but the field appeared to be shaky with a lot of slipping and sliding.

Does anyone know if the soccer tournament handbook switched from 500 to 600 miles for flights? I know it is 600 this year for football. Regardless, if Emory wins, W&L will most likely host. They are the only school within 600 miles of Emory left in the possible quadrant (472 miles according to TES).

The 600-mile threshold is for all D-III team sports (it's 500 miles for individual sports).

Reference TRANSPORTATION POLICIES on page 3 of the 2021-2022 DIVISION III CHAMPIONSHIPS TRANSPORTATION AND PER DIEM POLICIES (updated 11/11/21)

[PaulNewman]

Actually was the favorite of their pod in 2014, hosted, and beat Lynchburg and Stevens.  Kenyon was the top seed of the quad and thus hosted.  Do we know if W&L is the top seed or Messiah?

[jknezek]

Actually was the favorite of their pod in 2014, hosted, and beat Lynchburg and Stevens.  Kenyon was the top seed of the quad and thus hosted.  Do we know if W&L is the top seed or Messiah?

We don't know. Or at least I don't. Interesting though.

[jknezek]

I don't know if W&L is favored to host a sectional or if that depends on results tomorrow, but the field appeared to be shaky with a lot of slipping and sliding.

Does anyone know if the soccer tournament handbook switched from 500 to 600 miles for flights? I know it is 600 this year for football. Regardless, if Emory wins, W&L will most likely host. They are the only school within 600 miles of Emory left in the possible quadrant (472 miles according to TES).

The 600-mile threshold is for all D-III team sports (it's 500 miles for individual sports).

Reference TRANSPORTATION POLICIES on page 3 of the 2021-2022 DIVISION III CHAMPIONSHIPS TRANSPORTATION AND PER DIEM POLICIES (updated 11/11/21)

Thbaks. +k. So lots of options, though not many except buying a flight if Emory wins.

[Mr.Right]

Amidst all the excitement, Hanover knocks out Lynchburg in OT (unless the scoreboard is wrong).

Not only that Hanover scored in the 88th minute to level and then in the 99th to Win. However, looking at their results from the Regular Season shows that they did beat some of the better Regional teams.

[Mr.Right]

Also, I thought that I'd point out that Washington University, Washington College, and Washington & Lee all advanced.  It was a shame that Mary Washington wasn't invited this year, thus eliminating the potential for an all-Washington Final Four.

Of the three, just today, Washington College may have had the most impressive result.

Watching only some of this game SLU looked to have long stretches of dominating the ball but the final pass and finishing were really lacking. Wash College were sitting deep for long stretches and perfectly happy on the counter. For Sunday I think MSU is more talented going forward but Wash College is very organized defensively so it probably will be a 1-0 game for either side.

[Mr.Right]

The two games in Chicago turned out to be more interesting than I think most people assumed they'd be.

The opener definitely appeared to be set up for one of those classic high-seed/low-seed mismatches that wind up with scores like W&L's over Baruch or Amherst's over Rosemont. UW-Superior didn't seem to belong on the same field as Wash U. But the Yellowjackets hung around long enough to make Wash U fans more than a little nervous, as the game remained knotted in a scoreless tie until the 75th minute.

More than anything, that was due to UW-Supe's 5'9 backup goalkeeper Payton Anderson, pressed into service today because the Yellowjackets' starting GK was red-carded in the waning minutes of the UMAC tourney championship game against Bethany Lutheran. (UW-Supe only won that game and got to go dancing because Anderson stepped between the pipes and immediately stopped a PK in the wake of the starter's red card, keeping the game level until the Yellowjackets scored a shortie in the early moments of OT.) Wash U's Nolan Wolf and Sergio Rivas repeatedly dribbled through the UW-Supe box and right to Anderson's doorstep as though the Yellowjackets defenders were road pylons. But Anderson stoned them four or five times at point-blank range.

The oddity is that Wash U finally broke through on a far more unlikely shot. Bears attacking mid Owen Culver, who for some reason hadn't had his number called all day, was inserted into the game for the first time by Wash U head coach Joe Clarke in the 75th minute. Thirty-eight seconds after stepping onto the pitch, Culver had the ball at his feet at the outer right corner of the UW-Supe box, with nobody anywhere near him and the Yellowjackets again frozen in paralysis. Culver could've stood there and brewed a fresh pot of coffee if he'd liked. Rather than dribble in closer, he tapped the ball to a spot a foot or two away that he liked better and then launched an upstairs strike that found the far side of the net past the diving Anderson. Given that the Wash U back line and GK Matt Martin were as immaculate as usual, plus UW-Supe's inability to maintain possession through midfield or accurately target and win a 50/50 longball, there was little chance that the boys from up north were going to level, and sure enough they didn't. But for 70+ minutes they sure had us wondering if this was a David vs. Goliath situation.

North Park didn't have nearly the lopsided matchup that Wash U had, but, still, there was no questioning which team had the better talent. But Carleton plays with a lot of moxie and intelligence, with more than enough of both to really hurt a better team (as St. Olaf will painfully attest). The Knights refused to go quietly. On two different occasions they cut an NPU two-goal lead in half, and, like the Wash U fans before them, the Vikings faithful kept one eye on the entrance to the panic room. But then a so-fast-it-was-a-blur Vikings counter in the 78th minute resulted in Noel Holm sending a beautiful diagonal through ball to the oncoming Tobias Lunde at the left side of the 18' stripe, which Toby slotted perfectly out of reach to the Knight GK's right to make it 4-2. Even then, Carleton kept up the furious pace, but never got close enough to launch another solid strike at GK Alfie Sward.

NPU's first three goals were all Peder Olsen tallies, marking the second time this year and the fifth time in his career that Olsen has scored a hat trick.

I like the way that Carleton plays, and I respected the Knights' performance immensely, but I found myself commenting on the air that if the Vikings play like this tomorrow against Wash U the Bears will maul them. Funny thing is, a few minutes after saying that I found myself thinking back a couple of hours and realized that there was probably a vibe among the Wash U players that if they don't finish their chances better tomorrow against North Park, they will be the ones who wind up on the wrong end of the Hedstrand Field scoreboard.

Excellent recap and I did tune into the match for a couple minutes. You had a 2 man booth for a change.

[rudy]

I don't know if W&L is favored to host a sectional or if that depends on results tomorrow, but the field appeared to be shaky with a lot of slipping and sliding.

Does anyone know if the soccer tournament handbook switched from 500 to 600 miles for flights? I know it is 600 this year for football. Regardless, if Emory wins, W&L will most likely host. They are the only school within 600 miles of Emory left in the possible quadrant (472 miles according to TES).

If Hanover and Messiah win, I think W&L would most likely host if the rule is 500 miles as they are the only school within that radius of the other 3. Messiah could host if the rule changed to 600 miles (547 miles according to TES between Hanover and Messiah vs. 449 Hanover to W&L). Rowan or Christopher Newport are fine for either school.

If Hanover and Kenyon win, then it depends on the mileage again. CNU to Kenyon is 550 miles while Rowan to Kenyon is 482. Hanover is obviously a relatively short hop. So if the rule is 600 miles, Kenyon is in play, but if it is 500 miles, probably only in play if Rowan wins (482 miles Rowan to Kenyon). Frankly, W&L would probably be the better choice, with a much more central location, but who knows?

Given the way the bracket is set up, it looks to me like W&L is the quadrant's highest seed. So I suspect they will host as all remaining schools are within 500 miles, let alone 600, and there is no conflict men/women, but it wouldn't be the first time the bracket setup in my opinion doesn't match where we think things should go. Either Kenyon or Messiah could host, given other scenarios, so long as Hanover wins and the radius is 600 miles.

I certainly don't see DIII splashing out for a flight for Emory if they don't have to.

If Messiah women's team wins today I believe Messiah men would not be able to host as the women might host next round? I assume the women are a fairly high seed with only 2 losses.   Just something else to consider. 

[hickory_cornhusker]

I don't know if W&L is favored to host a sectional or if that depends on results tomorrow, but the field appeared to be shaky with a lot of slipping and sliding.

Does anyone know if the soccer tournament handbook switched from 500 to 600 miles for flights? I know it is 600 this year for football. Regardless, if Emory wins, W&L will most likely host. They are the only school within 600 miles of Emory left in the possible quadrant (472 miles according to TES).

If Hanover and Messiah win, I think W&L would most likely host if the rule is 500 miles as they are the only school within that radius of the other 3. Messiah could host if the rule changed to 600 miles (547 miles according to TES between Hanover and Messiah vs. 449 Hanover to W&L). Rowan or Christopher Newport are fine for either school.

If Hanover and Kenyon win, then it depends on the mileage again. CNU to Kenyon is 550 miles while Rowan to Kenyon is 482. Hanover is obviously a relatively short hop. So if the rule is 600 miles, Kenyon is in play, but if it is 500 miles, probably only in play if Rowan wins (482 miles Rowan to Kenyon). Frankly, W&L would probably be the better choice, with a much more central location, but who knows?

Given the way the bracket is set up, it looks to me like W&L is the quadrant's highest seed. So I suspect they will host as all remaining schools are within 500 miles, let alone 600, and there is no conflict men/women, but it wouldn't be the first time the bracket setup in my opinion doesn't match where we think things should go. Either Kenyon or Messiah could host, given other scenarios, so long as Hanover wins and the radius is 600 miles.

I certainly don't see DIII splashing out for a flight for Emory if they don't have to.

If Messiah women's team wins today I believe Messiah men would not be able to host as the women might host next round? I assume the women are a fairly high seed with only 2 losses.   Just something else to consider.

If both were chosen to host, the men would get priority to be the host for the second weekend in an odd number year. Women had priority this weekend.  Now this assumes the school also put into to host both a women's pod and a men's pod which I'm sure Messiah would have done.

[Mr.Right]

In one of the those rare Headlines say it all.......Absolutely devastating..

https://www.gomonks.com/sports/msoc/index


NSN has posted both the original and conclusion.

https://www.nsnsports.net/colleges/connecticut-college/?bfplayvid=324610

[Mr.Right]

 NYU version-

https://gonyuathletics.com/news/2021/11/13/mens-soccer.aspx

This team looked much more comfortable on the turf. I think they give Conn a real fight today.

[Mr.Right]

NYU Goals in the conclusion

1. Great turn and rip by NYU striker for one goal. Also an excellent 30 yard Run and Chip by the NYU Central Midfielder. Those are the dangerous little balls that create real problems for the defense. Right from the gut.

2. NYU #9 looks like a real character. An absolute nutter. Scores the winning Goal on a great finish after a couple bad Monks defensive mistakes and then celebrates running right thru the devastated St.Joe's bench. Takes some guts to do that as back in the day he wouldn't of gotten thru the bench like that.

[Gregory Sager]

The two games in Chicago turned out to be more interesting than I think most people assumed they'd be.

The opener definitely appeared to be set up for one of those classic high-seed/low-seed mismatches that wind up with scores like W&L's over Baruch or Amherst's over Rosemont. UW-Superior didn't seem to belong on the same field as Wash U. But the Yellowjackets hung around long enough to make Wash U fans more than a little nervous, as the game remained knotted in a scoreless tie until the 75th minute.

More than anything, that was due to UW-Supe's 5'9 backup goalkeeper Payton Anderson, pressed into service today because the Yellowjackets' starting GK was red-carded in the waning minutes of the UMAC tourney championship game against Bethany Lutheran. (UW-Supe only won that game and got to go dancing because Anderson stepped between the pipes and immediately stopped a PK in the wake of the starter's red card, keeping the game level until the Yellowjackets scored a shortie in the early moments of OT.) Wash U's Nolan Wolf and Sergio Rivas repeatedly dribbled through the UW-Supe box and right to Anderson's doorstep as though the Yellowjackets defenders were road pylons. But Anderson stoned them four or five times at point-blank range.

The oddity is that Wash U finally broke through on a far more unlikely shot. Bears attacking mid Owen Culver, who for some reason hadn't had his number called all day, was inserted into the game for the first time by Wash U head coach Joe Clarke in the 75th minute. Thirty-eight seconds after stepping onto the pitch, Culver had the ball at his feet at the outer right corner of the UW-Supe box, with nobody anywhere near him and the Yellowjackets again frozen in paralysis. Culver could've stood there and brewed a fresh pot of coffee if he'd liked. Rather than dribble in closer, he tapped the ball to a spot a foot or two away that he liked better and then launched an upstairs strike that found the far side of the net past the diving Anderson. Given that the Wash U back line and GK Matt Martin were as immaculate as usual, plus UW-Supe's inability to maintain possession through midfield or accurately target and win a 50/50 longball, there was little chance that the boys from up north were going to level, and sure enough they didn't. But for 70+ minutes they sure had us wondering if this was a David vs. Goliath situation.

North Park didn't have nearly the lopsided matchup that Wash U had, but, still, there was no questioning which team had the better talent. But Carleton plays with a lot of moxie and intelligence, with more than enough of both to really hurt a better team (as St. Olaf will painfully attest). The Knights refused to go quietly. On two different occasions they cut an NPU two-goal lead in half, and, like the Wash U fans before them, the Vikings faithful kept one eye on the entrance to the panic room. But then a so-fast-it-was-a-blur Vikings counter in the 78th minute resulted in Noel Holm sending a beautiful diagonal through ball to the oncoming Tobias Lunde at the left side of the 18' stripe, which Toby slotted perfectly out of reach to the Knight GK's right to make it 4-2. Even then, Carleton kept up the furious pace, but never got close enough to launch another solid strike at GK Alfie Sward.

NPU's first three goals were all Peder Olsen tallies, marking the second time this year and the fifth time in his career that Olsen has scored a hat trick.

I like the way that Carleton plays, and I respected the Knights' performance immensely, but I found myself commenting on the air that if the Vikings play like this tomorrow against Wash U the Bears will maul them. Funny thing is, a few minutes after saying that I found myself thinking back a couple of hours and realized that there was probably a vibe among the Wash U players that if they don't finish their chances better tomorrow against North Park, they will be the ones who wind up on the wrong end of the Hedstrand Field scoreboard.

Excellent recap and I did tune into the match for a couple minutes. You had a 2 man booth for a change.

We've had a two-man booth all season. Had one last spring as well during what was for NPU a glorified scrimmage season. My colorman is one of NPU's two graduate assistants in the sports information department. He was the goalkeeper for Colorado College's club soccer team as an undergraduate.

[rudy]

I don't know if W&L is favored to host a sectional or if that depends on results tomorrow, but the field appeared to be shaky with a lot of slipping and sliding.

Does anyone know if the soccer tournament handbook switched from 500 to 600 miles for flights? I know it is 600 this year for football. Regardless, if Emory wins, W&L will most likely host. They are the only school within 600 miles of Emory left in the possible quadrant (472 miles according to TES).

If Hanover and Messiah win, I think W&L would most likely host if the rule is 500 miles as they are the only school within that radius of the other 3. Messiah could host if the rule changed to 600 miles (547 miles according to TES between Hanover and Messiah vs. 449 Hanover to W&L). Rowan or Christopher Newport are fine for either school.

If Hanover and Kenyon win, then it depends on the mileage again. CNU to Kenyon is 550 miles while Rowan to Kenyon is 482. Hanover is obviously a relatively short hop. So if the rule is 600 miles, Kenyon is in play, but if it is 500 miles, probably only in play if Rowan wins (482 miles Rowan to Kenyon). Frankly, W&L would probably be the better choice, with a much more central location, but who knows?

Given the way the bracket is set up, it looks to me like W&L is the quadrant's highest seed. So I suspect they will host as all remaining schools are within 500 miles, let alone 600, and there is no conflict men/women, but it wouldn't be the first time the bracket setup in my opinion doesn't match where we think things should go. Either Kenyon or Messiah could host, given other scenarios, so long as Hanover wins and the radius is 600 miles.

I certainly don't see DIII splashing out for a flight for Emory if they don't have to.

If Messiah women's team wins today I believe Messiah men would not be able to host as the women might host next round? I assume the women are a fairly high seed with only 2 losses.   Just something else to consider.

If both were chosen to host, the men would get priority to be the host for the second weekend in an odd number year. Women had priority this weekend.  Now this assumes the school also put into to host both a women's pod and a men's pod which I'm sure Messiah would have done.

Thanks for the info. I can never remember the odd versus even year. Kenyon vs Messiah should be a well contested game today. While Messiah does not seem to have as many offensive weapons as they have had in the past..they have scoring spread out among  quite a few so defenses cannot focus on one or two players. Having LG would certainly be nice but have to compete with who is healthy. Lent Koop has had a couple header goals either directly or indirectly off free kicks or corners. At 6'4" that's a weapon they haven't always had.  Matt M, Trevor G, Luke K, Luke B, Ben L, etc all capable of being dangerous on the offensive end. Defense missing Adam C but Ben V stepped in and played very well.

Paul should be excited for this game back in Grantham! Good luck to your Kenyon team . Hmm .. Lords versus Messiah.... interesting.