2021 ECAC Bowl Games

[ITH radio]

Right now the bids are as follows:

https://ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx

Given the NE Bowl (NEW/ECFC/CCC/MAS) and MAC/CC commitments, the best resumes based on today would probably be:

Hobart, Westminster and W&J. If CMU loses to Case Saturday, they end up in here, but behind HOB & W&J who I assume will be 8-2. USMMA could be on this list if they somehow lose out in the NEW tiebreaker, but my guess is they end up in NE Bowl in that case, especially if CUA loses to SC Saturday.

Next level would be a 7-3 GCC and CMU (if they lose to Case). GCC beat CMU early in the season, so the H2H bump would go to the Wolverines. Brockport should also come in at 7-3 but may be they lose to Alfred after that weird loss to Mo State? If Saxons win they'd be a good 6-4 road team to send down to one of the PAC 8-2 teams. Utica should also be 6-4.

Maybe this whole thing ends up as a NYS-PAC round robin?

GCC at HOB
ALF at W&J
UTICA at WES

[ITH radio]

Add it looks like RPI just put in as insurance against a Shoes game loss....

Could see CMU at RPI if they both lost this weekend

[Oline89]

Right now the bids are as follows:

https://ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx

Given the NE Bowl (NEW/ECFC/CCC/MAS) and MAC/CC commitments, the best resumes based on today would probably be:

Hobart, Westminster and W&J. If CMU loses to Case Saturday, they end up in here, but behind HOB & W&J who I assume will be 8-2. USMMA could be on this list if they somehow lose out in the NEW tiebreaker, but my guess is they end up in NE Bowl in that case, especially if CUA loses to SC Saturday.

Next level would be a 7-3 GCC and CMU (if they lose to Case). GCC beat CMU early in the season, so the H2H bump would go to the Wolverines. Brockport should also come in at 7-3 but may be they lose to Alfred after that weird loss to Mo State? If Saxons win they'd be a good 6-4 road team to send down to one of the PAC 8-2 teams. Utica should also be 6-4.

Maybe this whole thing ends up as a NYS-PAC round robin?

GCC at HOB
ALF at W&J
UTICA at WES

Good to see Hobart back in the mix! Would be great to see LL play the PAC and get away from E8 opponents only

[tony/troy]

Right now the bids are as follows:

https://ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx

Given the NE Bowl (NEW/ECFC/CCC/MAS) and MAC/CC commitments, the best resumes based on today would probably be:

Hobart, Westminster and W&J. If CMU loses to Case Saturday, they end up in here, but behind HOB & W&J who I assume will be 8-2. USMMA could be on this list if they somehow lose out in the NEW tiebreaker, but my guess is they end up in NE Bowl in that case, especially if CUA loses to SC Saturday.

Next level would be a 7-3 GCC and CMU (if they lose to Case). GCC beat CMU early in the season, so the H2H bump would go to the Wolverines. Brockport should also come in at 7-3 but may be they lose to Alfred after that weird loss to Mo State? If Saxons win they'd be a good 6-4 road team to send down to one of the PAC 8-2 teams. Utica should also be 6-4.

Maybe this whole thing ends up as a NYS-PAC round robin?

GCC at HOB
ALF at W&J
UTICA at WES

The six team MAC/CC challenge is definitely a go. Saw it announced some time ago.

However, have seen nothing anywhere about the New England Bowl Series. Is this four team thing still on for sure?

Does the two team New York Bowl even exist anymore? Frankly, it seemed that nobody really ever cared. One year they actually had to cancel this thing because absolutely no one from the Liberty League would play the game.

If all the above are still on it will entail 12 teams but about a half dozen likely candidates for these six games are also on the ECAC declared list. Can't be in two places at once.

RPI did indeed declare just before the supposed deadline. Other undeclared teams really have until midnight Saturday to declare per the ECAC manual.

Worst case scenario for RPI is to lose Saturday and end up 8-2. Usually plenty good enough to get a home game, especially if a fourth game is added. However, with the gate receipts of anywhere from $2,500 to $5,000 from these games belonging to the ECAC, why would anyone of sound mind give one of the home games to an institution whose spectator policies virtually guarantees the gross income to be a lot closer to zero than either of the previous figures.

The same would probably be true of the NCAA should RPI win Saturday. Again, who in their right mind would put a game somewhere where it can generate little to no revenue? However, as they have shown countless times already, if anybody hung the NCAA for being of sound mind they would be hanging the innocent.   

[jknezek]

The ODAC tried to do a "Neptune Bowl" between the first non-tournament team and Newport News Apprentice. I believe it was held one year, in 2019, then probably died helped along by apathy, COVID, and the fact that I think every ODAC team played NNA this regular season since the Conference is temporarily down to 7 members. I haven't seen it spoke about since, but the first game, in Virginia Beach, was not highly thought of, at least by anyone I know. Unfortunately the choice of opponent was... uninspiring... and R-MC beat NNA 35-3 in a game that wasn't that close.

[ITH radio]

NYS bowl is no more. As far as we know the NE Bowls should continue. Have messaged one of the conf commissioners to confirm. I don't see why they'd nix it as it's been pretty successful in the past few years.

[ITH radio]

The ODAC tried to do a "Neptune Bowl" between the first non-tournament team and Newport News Apprentice. I believe it was held one year, in 2019, then probably died helped along by apathy, COVID, and the fact that I think every ODAC team played NNA this regular season since the Conference is temporarily down to 7 members. I haven't seen it spoke about since, but the first game, in Virginia Beach, was not highly thought of, at least by anyone I know. Unfortunately the choice of opponent was... uninspiring... and R-MC beat NNA 35-3 in a game that wasn't that close.

ODAC would be better off doing a runner up bowl with USAC. A RMC vs. Methodist game could be pretty decent and a nice chance for the senior players to get one last game in.

[Pat Coleman]

The ODAC tried to do a "Neptune Bowl" between the first non-tournament team and Newport News Apprentice. I believe it was held one year, in 2019, then probably died helped along by apathy, COVID, and the fact that I think every ODAC team played NNA this regular season since the Conference is temporarily down to 7 members. I haven't seen it spoke about since, but the first game, in Virginia Beach, was not highly thought of, at least by anyone I know. Unfortunately the choice of opponent was... uninspiring... and R-MC beat NNA 35-3 in a game that wasn't that close.

ODAC would be better off doing a runner up bowl with USAC. A RMC vs. Methodist game could be pretty decent and a nice chance for the senior players to get one last game in.

The ODAC still believes the Neptune Bowl to be alive, just on hiatus this year.

[jknezek]

The ODAC tried to do a "Neptune Bowl" between the first non-tournament team and Newport News Apprentice. I believe it was held one year, in 2019, then probably died helped along by apathy, COVID, and the fact that I think every ODAC team played NNA this regular season since the Conference is temporarily down to 7 members. I haven't seen it spoke about since, but the first game, in Virginia Beach, was not highly thought of, at least by anyone I know. Unfortunately the choice of opponent was... uninspiring... and R-MC beat NNA 35-3 in a game that wasn't that close.

ODAC would be better off doing a runner up bowl with USAC. A RMC vs. Methodist game could be pretty decent and a nice chance for the senior players to get one last game in.

The ODAC still believes the Neptune Bowl to be alive, just on hiatus this year.

Huh. Interesting. That's why I used "probably". I hadn't seen anything about it, but 2020 was obviously a cluster and this year... well, what would be the point? NNA was beaten by every ODAC team they actually met on the field. To be fair, the Builders probably had a shot at beating Guilford had that game not been cancelled/forfeited for COVID. I will say this was one of the better Builders teams I've seen, but the most likely opponent this year would have been a re-match with R-MC, a 49-7 game played just a few weeks ago.

I think most fans would rather see the ODAC-USASAC match, or an SAA match, or even the next available team in the CC or PAC rather than the Builders, but I'm assuming the Virginia Beach location has a lot to do with the choice of opponent. I also wonder about money and how many teams would be willing to foot the travel bill for another game, especially if it was an SAA opponent like Hendrix or Trinity.

[Jonny Utah]

NYS bowl is no more. As far as we know the NE Bowls should continue. Have messaged one of the conf commissioners to confirm. I don't see why they'd nix it as it's been pretty successful in the past few years.

Was or is there an issue with the NY Bowls?  I'm guessing they are legally defunct, but the Ithaca/utica game was fun to watch at Cornell imo.

[Pat Coleman]

NYS bowl is no more. As far as we know the NE Bowls should continue. Have messaged one of the conf commissioners to confirm. I don't see why they'd nix it as it's been pretty successful in the past few years.

Was or is there an issue with the NY Bowls?  I'm guessing they are legally defunct, but the Ithaca/utica game was fun to watch at Cornell imo.

With all the E8/LL interplay in the regular season it could very well result in a rematch, which was not preferable.

[Jonny Utah]

NYS bowl is no more. As far as we know the NE Bowls should continue. Have messaged one of the conf commissioners to confirm. I don't see why they'd nix it as it's been pretty successful in the past few years.

Was or is there an issue with the NY Bowls?  I'm guessing they are legally defunct, but the Ithaca/utica game was fun to watch at Cornell imo.

With all the E8/LL interplay in the regular season it could very well result in a rematch, which was not preferable.

Yea that was the problem to begin with. You can't simply set up Bowl games by rule (2nd place) because of the crossover. But another IC/Utica, Union/Brockport, Hobart/Cortland, etc might be fun to watch. 

[UfanBill]

NYS bowl is no more. As far as we know the NE Bowls should continue. Have messaged one of the conf commissioners to confirm. I don't see why they'd nix it as it's been pretty successful in the past few years.

Was or is there an issue with the NY Bowls?  I'm guessing they are legally defunct, but the Ithaca/utica game was fun to watch at Cornell imo.

With all the E8/LL interplay in the regular season it could very well result in a rematch, which was not preferable.

Yea that was the problem to begin with. You can't simply set up Bowl games by rule (2nd place) because of the crossover. But another IC/Utica, Union/Brockport, Hobart/Cortland, etc might be fun to watch.

Union has never played Brockport. I'd like to see it, but IMO it's unlikely to happen this year. If the Dutchmen fail to get a Pool C their season is probably over, even if they finish 9-1. Union has not yet, and likely won't, declare for an ECAC bowl because of their academic schedule. The first Tri-mester final exams are scheduled for Nov. 19-23.   

[Oline89]

NYS bowl is no more. As far as we know the NE Bowls should continue. Have messaged one of the conf commissioners to confirm. I don't see why they'd nix it as it's been pretty successful in the past few years.

Was or is there an issue with the NY Bowls?  I'm guessing they are legally defunct, but the Ithaca/utica game was fun to watch at Cornell imo.

With all the E8/LL interplay in the regular season it could very well result in a rematch, which was not preferable.

Yea that was the problem to begin with. You can't simply set up Bowl games by rule (2nd place) because of the crossover. But another IC/Utica, Union/Brockport, Hobart/Cortland, etc might be fun to watch.

Union has never played Brockport. I'd like to see it, but IMO it's unlikely to happen this year. If the Dutchmen fail to get a Pool C their season is probably over, even if they finish 9-1. Union has not yet, and likely won't, declare for an ECAC bowl because of their academic schedule. The first Tri-mester final exams are scheduled for Nov. 19-23.

Weak excuse.  This group of seniors (especially the 5th years) deserves to play in at least one post season game. 

[ITH radio]

I think a Utica vs. Hobart ECAC bowl is pretty likely. Will see Monday.