D3 proposals at the 2022 NCAA convention

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Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Each school votes... as does each conference.
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Gregory Sager

That doesn't answer my question, Dave. Is the tenth vote cast by the league office independently, or does the majority (5-4, 6-3, 7-2, 8-1, or 9-0) get an extra vote added onto their side as the league's vote?
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Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 03, 2022, 11:35:41 PM
That doesn't answer my question, Dave. Is the tenth vote cast by the league office independently, or does the majority (5-4, 6-3, 7-2, 8-1, or 9-0) get an extra vote added onto their side as the league's vote?
In the NAC the conference went 7-5 yes from schools but the conference voted no and SUNYAC was 5-4-1 yes from schools but conference voted no.
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NACC was also odd and the 4-4 UAA had the conference abstain...

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I noticed a few errors in the D3Playbook breakdown; some schools were assigned to the wrong conference and some were missing.
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Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 03, 2022, 11:35:41 PM
That doesn't answer my question, Dave. Is the tenth vote cast by the league office independently, or does the majority (5-4, 6-3, 7-2, 8-1, or 9-0) get an extra vote added onto their side as the league's vote?

I think it depends on the conference.  The conference is given an independent vote, but, of course, the conference is made up on member schools.  I don't think there is a standard formula by which the conference vote is determined.
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Gregory Sager

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 04, 2022, 07:04:53 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 03, 2022, 11:35:41 PM
That doesn't answer my question, Dave. Is the tenth vote cast by the league office independently, or does the majority (5-4, 6-3, 7-2, 8-1, or 9-0) get an extra vote added onto their side as the league's vote?

I think it depends on the conference.  The conference is given an independent vote, but, of course, the conference is made up on member schools.  I don't think there is a standard formula by which the conference vote is determined.

Thanks. This helps. It means that I can redirect the question to the North Park AD to get a league-specific answer.
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Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

As Ryan indicated ... each school gets a vote and each conference gets a vote. How a conference votes ... is up to the conference. The Commissioner (or the person they designate) votes for the conference.
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Caz Bombers

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 03, 2022, 06:43:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 03, 2022, 05:17:52 PM
From today's D3playbook email, a breakdown of how conferences voted on the 6 school for AQ issue.  Some surprises here IMO.   If you go to the link you can see how the individual schools in each conference voted.

Allegheny Mountain: 9-0
American Rivers 0-8 (1 did not vote)
American Southwest 8-4 (1 DNV)
Atlantic East 7-0

CCIW 0-10

Forgive me for my ignorance of NCAA convention voting procedures ... but there are only nine members of the CCIW, so is the tenth vote cast by the senior league official or is a cumulative league vote added to the majority?

I believe the conference itself casts a vote, same as a school does.

Gregory Sager

Thanks, everybody, but you're not really answering my question. I was already well aware of the fact that the extra vote was the conference's. What I asked was who casts the conference's vote. Does the league office cast it, or is the conference's vote awarded to whichever position won the majority of the conference's member institutions' votes?

As Ryan said, that decision can vary from conference to conference, so the only way that I'm going to get my answer is to ask one of the CCIW athletic directors, since that's the conference whose voting is of interest to me.
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Caz Bombers

The league office must cast its own vote because the North Atlantic Conference had 7 yes and 6 no and the NAC vote was among the 6 for no. The SUNYAC had a 5-5-1 split with the league voting no and Plattsburgh abstaining.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2022, 12:17:46 AM
Thanks, everybody, but you're not really answering my question. I was already well aware of the fact that the extra vote was the conference's. What I asked was who casts the conference's vote. Does the league office cast it, or is the conference's vote awarded to whichever position won the majority of the conference's member institutions' votes?

As Ryan said, that decision can vary from conference to conference, so the only way that I'm going to get my answer is to ask one of the CCIW athletic directors, since that's the conference whose voting is of interest to me.

So we did answer the question ... LOL

Both Ryan and I stated we weren't sure how each conference votes. That they have a vote and whether the commissioner votes on their own or they do the bidding of those in their conference. I can see arguments to both.

Just FYI, the CCIW will give you one answer ... there are 41 other answers HAHA
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Gregory Sager

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2022, 11:32:09 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2022, 12:17:46 AM
Thanks, everybody, but you're not really answering my question. I was already well aware of the fact that the extra vote was the conference's. What I asked was who casts the conference's vote. Does the league office cast it, or is the conference's vote awarded to whichever position won the majority of the conference's member institutions' votes?

As Ryan said, that decision can vary from conference to conference, so the only way that I'm going to get my answer is to ask one of the CCIW athletic directors, since that's the conference whose voting is of interest to me.

So we did answer the question ... LOL

Yes, I suppose that "I'm not sure" is an answer, so ... touché.  ;)

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2022, 11:32:09 AMJust FYI, the CCIW will give you one answer ... there are 41 other answers HAHA

Yes, well, that's implicit in the idea that every conference has independence of method when it comes to casting the conference's vote.

Quote from: Caz Bombers on February 09, 2022, 09:44:02 AM
The league office must cast its own vote because the North Atlantic Conference had 7 yes and 6 no and the NAC vote was among the 6 for no. The SUNYAC had a 5-5-1 split with the league voting no and Plattsburgh abstaining.

No, Dave and Ryan are clearly right. There's no "must" involved here; there are 42 different D3 leagues that arrive at 42 particular methods of casting the vote. (No doubt a lot of them use the same methods, but that's not the point.) The league office doesn't have to cast the vote at all; the conference's membership can agree to cast the vote by majority, or some other method may be used.
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2022, 10:21:06 PM
From the SAA Board...

Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2022, 10:14:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 23, 2022, 08:13:44 PM
I'm going to predict that there will be ZERO at large bids within 5-7 years.

That was an absolutely STUPID vote by the reps.  The minimum size for an AQ should have gone UP to 8, not down to 6.  Did someone spike their morning coffee? ::)

I will take this quote as a mind game.

SCAC - the 3 affiliates in the ASC  (AC, SW, TLU) and Trinity in the SAA plus Centenary in 2024 convince St Thomas (Houston) to add football in 2024. One bid; 4 Pool C remain.
MAC - splits into Freedom and Commonwealth; one new bid; 3 Pool C remain.

Now is when it gets tougher.

NESCAC?

USA South -In the present "East"/ "West" configuration these teams play football, if the conference splits in two.

East - Averett - going to the ODAC; Greensboro; Methodist; NC Wesleyan; Southern Virginia. The East would need two from Pfeffer, Mary Baldwin, William Peace
West - Belhaven - coming from the ASC; Brevard; Huntingdon, LaGrange; Maryville. The West would need one from Berea, Covenant, Piedmont.

With 3 new schools coming through provisional, Asbury, Bob Jones and Warren Wilson, whom do they join and do they add football?

Which conferences add football as a new sport?  I could only speculate.
The access ratio gives us 36 bids.
What if the "D-IV" conferences wanted to go to a 14 week season, instead of a 16 week season.

8 bids times 6.5, the access ratio, is 52 schools.  (Or, 58 schools divide by 6.5 = 8.92 bids, truncated to 8 bids.)

Imagine 5 or 6 conferences moving the 'Short Season" Division. Would that bring back the NESCAC?

Who would join the Short Season Division?

It is not Freedom and Commonwealth, but MAC and Landmark.

https://www.d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid

seanoc29

Anyone know if this going to be picked up in the 2023 Convention

Expanded ability to practice without using a season of competition - allow student-athletes to participate in a full season of practice without using a season of competition if the athlete does not compete in any games.