The decline of the Division III Football Pool C bid

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

When does this rule take effect, next athletic season(22/23] or later?

Which rule? 32 team bracket? That's been in effect for ... years.

AQ down to 6? Technically Aug. 1, I believe (or immediately).

Is there another rule you are asking about?

[Inkblot]

Leaving out conferences that meet the Pool A criteria would not be more consistent with D3 rules than raising the minimum just for football.

[SW1]

What about allowing conferences to choose to go playoff route or go bowl route? If you think your conference has no chance of winning in the playoffs then you can choose to play in a bowl game against other teams that choose that option. Teams could make that choice before playoff pairings are announced or make it mandatory to choose half way through the season so the committee knows how many conference aq's are in the tourney. This would still give teams a chance to play past week 10 and keep stronger teams in the tourney.

[IC798891]

Leaving out conferences that meet the Pool A criteria would not be more consistent with D3 rules than raising the minimum just for football.

If it's a self-selected exclusion by the conference, why not? Isn't this what the NESCAC does?

[D3fanboy]

another thing to think of...a little bonus for following the rules....which we know that the NCAA loves

If we have 40 conferences with enough teams to qualify for the playoffs, but only 32 spots....what if NCAA violations result in a ban for the institution and maybe the conference?  For example, if Baldwin Wallace has a history of tip-toeing around the rules and gets caught one year giving multiple players a Honda to drive around.  The OAC gets banned from that years tournament.  It would remove a conference and 7-10 teams from playoff contention and also improve compliance with a little peer pressure

maybe I'm too authoritarian, but let's have a strict tournament

[BSCpanthers]

When does this rule take effect, next athletic season(22/23] or later?

Which rule? 32 team bracket? That's been in effect for ... years.

AQ down to 6? Technically Aug. 1, I believe (or immediately).

Is there another rule you are asking about?

This is the one I was asking about.

[BSCpanthers]

another thing to think of...a little bonus for following the rules....which we know that the NCAA loves

If we have 40 conferences with enough teams to qualify for the playoffs, but only 32 spots....what if NCAA violations result in a ban for the institution and maybe the conference?  For example, if Baldwin Wallace has a history of tip-toeing around the rules and gets caught one year giving multiple players a Honda to drive around.  The OAC gets banned from that years tournament.  It would remove a conference and 7-10 teams from playoff contention and also improve compliance with a little peer pressure

maybe I'm too authoritarian, but let's have a strict tournament

But with NIL, you can't even enforce that.  Could just say the local Honda dealer gave them the car to promote the dealership.  Problem solved.

I stand by my, "Have to have eight D3 wins to be eligible for auto bid."

[Ralph Turner]

Elsewhere I posted a comment about a D4 that got 8 post-season bids and would have a 13 week schedule.

10 or 9 regular season games and the 3 rounds of playoffs.

Which schools/conferences would find that compatible with mission and vision?

That would leave 28 schools for a D-3 playoff over 16 weeks.

[jknezek]

Elsewhere I posted a comment about a D4 that got 8 post-season bids and would have a 13 week schedule.

10 or 9 regular season games and the 3 rounds of playoffs.

Which schools/conferences would find that compatible with mission and vision?

That would leave 28 schools for a D-3 playoff over 16 weeks.

No it wouldn't. Because someone would have to pay for the D4 playoffs as well. Limiting the size of the playoffs is about money as much as it is about time.

[Jonny Utah]

another thing to think of...a little bonus for following the rules....which we know that the NCAA loves

If we have 40 conferences with enough teams to qualify for the playoffs, but only 32 spots....what if NCAA violations result in a ban for the institution and maybe the conference?  For example, if Baldwin Wallace has a history of tip-toeing around the rules and gets caught one year giving multiple players a Honda to drive around.  The OAC gets banned from that years tournament.  It would remove a conference and 7-10 teams from playoff contention and also improve compliance with a little peer pressure

maybe I'm too authoritarian, but let's have a strict tournament

But with NIL, you can't even enforce that.  Could just say the local Honda dealer gave them the car to promote the dealership.  Problem solved.

I stand by my, "Have to have eight D3 wins to be eligible for auto bid."

I'm not crazy about the eight wins thing because that might discourage teams from playing tough schedules.  Also, many lower ranked conferences may have 10-0 or 9-1 teams.  We know a league like the LL might have a 7-3 champion, but do they get penalized because Ithaca plays Cortland, Brockport and others while the NEFC champ (who Ithaca may beat) plays only CCC teams?

How about the preference goes to leagues with 10 teams?  Make the amount of teams in your league a criteria for the pool A bid.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

The NCAA just needs to have different minimums for each sport.  Not ONE minimum for all sports.

Football should be 7 or 8.  Other sports could be 6 if needed.

[Jonny Utah]

The NCAA just needs to have different minimums for each sport.  Not ONE minimum for all sports.

Football should be 7 or 8.  Other sports could be 6 if needed.

Yea and I bet that is what they will have to do at some point. 

[jknezek]

The NCAA just needs to have different minimums for each sport.  Not ONE minimum for all sports.

Football should be 7 or 8.  Other sports could be 6 if needed.

Yea and I bet that is what they will have to do at some point.

I think this makes the most sense, but it's going to be hard to put the horse back in the barn if too many 6 team conferences form before they get around to it.

[Jonny Utah]

The NCAA just needs to have different minimums for each sport.  Not ONE minimum for all sports.

Football should be 7 or 8.  Other sports could be 6 if needed.

Yea and I bet that is what they will have to do at some point.

I think this makes the most sense, but it's going to be hard to put the horse back in the barn if too many 6 team conferences form before they get around to it.

They won't have a choice will they?  If there are more than 32 conferences with six teams, something has to give, either the AQ, or the four week playoff system.

[jknezek]

The NCAA just needs to have different minimums for each sport.  Not ONE minimum for all sports.

Football should be 7 or 8.  Other sports could be 6 if needed.

Yea and I bet that is what they will have to do at some point.

I think this makes the most sense, but it's going to be hard to put the horse back in the barn if too many 6 team conferences form before they get around to it.

They won't have a choice will they?  If there are more than 32 conferences with six teams, something has to give, either the AQ, or the four week playoff system.

Yep. One or the other. It'll be interesting to see which they choose.