2022 D3 tourney

[nescac1]

I agree that Swat hosting over a bunch of teams -- Williams, St. Joe's, Hopkins, Oswego, maybe others -- is egregious.  Their resume simply does not warrant a home pod, they had some pretty bad losses and no very impressive wins outside Hopkins.  And all those teams are from the northeast, as well, so I imagine some could have been (I would think) switched out for Swarthmore. 

That, and Emory getting a top seed in a quarter of the bracket instead of Wesleyan, who not only was relegated to a second seed but paired with the top overall seed in the tournament in RMC, are the two most cryptic decisions by the committee this year. 

[Greek Tragedy]

Can someone explain how Swarthmore is hosting games this weekend, while Hopkins has to go on the road?  Makes absolutely no sense to me.  Hopkins just knocked them off for the league title, has a better record, is ranked higher and (if I am reading the ratings correctly) a stronger strength of schedule.  I suspect the answer will be that Swat beat Hopkins twice during the season and has non-conf wins over three other NCAA qualifiers (Susquehanna, Stevens, Neumann).  But Swat is also the same team that got beaten down on their home floor by a depleted Muhlenberg team, lost on their home floor to Widener (the 6th place team in the MAC Commonwealth), and lost on the road to solid, but inconsistent teams Dickinson and Ursinus.  Hopkins 3 losses were to #4 Christopher Newport and twice to Swat.  On top of this you have Oswego State in the Swarthmore pod, who should also be hosting before Swat.  Is this some kind of nod to Swat from two years ago when the tourney was cancelled and they were the number 1 team?

Swarthmore was ranked ahead of JHU in the final regional rankings. They also best JHU twice. So, head to head, Swat probably deserves to host before JHU. There's no "well, two years ago..." stuff going on. It doesn't work that way. Also, maybe, travel may be a part of it.

https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-final

[CNU85]

During the season at CNU tickets are $10 for chairbacks. $5 general admission. Students are free

Will be interesting to see ticket prices for this weekend. I imagine they will be $15 and $10. I presume students will still be free. But not sure.

[Greek Tragedy]

I don't imagine tickets will be free for anyone. It's NCAA post season. Even $5 for students, possibly.

[WUPHF]

I don't imagine tickets will be free for anyone. It's NCAA post season. Even $5 for students, possibly.

I have to think that $10 is the NCAA rate for students, but there are schools that subsidize the tickets for students.

[ronk]

1st round NCAA women @ Scranton: Tickets are $10 for adults and $7 for seniors (61 and over), students and children (ages two and up). Student tickets are permissible for grade school, high school and college students with identification.

[sac]

There seems likely to be very few interesting first round games this year.  The second round, however, is going to feature a lot of upsets. These ten potential match-ups all look quite even to me should they come to fruition, like, pretty much coin-toss games.  It's a really deep field and a LOT of home teams are not going to advance to the round of 16.

Illinois Wesleyan v. Lacrosse
Mount Union v. Williams
Stockton v. Yeshiva or Hopkins
WPI v. St. Joe's
Wash U. v. Wheaton
Emory v. Wabash
Elmhurst v. Pomona
MHB v. Whitworth
Swarthmore v. Oswego
Nazareth v. UMD

w/d3hoops poll rankings
#7 Illinois Wesleyan v. # 14 Lacrosse
#11 Mount Union v. #22 Williams
#23 Stockton v. #19 Yeshiva or #10 Hopkins
#13 WPI v. #9 St. Joe's
RV Wash U. v. #18 Wheaton
#12 Emory v. #15 Wabash
#16 Elmhurst v. RV Pomona
#6 MHB v. #25 Whitworth
#20 Swarthmore v. #17 Oswego
RV Nazareth v. RV UMD

[thebear]

There seems likely to be very few interesting first round games this year.  The second round, however, is going to feature a lot of upsets. These ten potential match-ups all look quite even to me should they come to fruition, like, pretty much coin-toss games.  It's a really deep field and a LOT of home teams are not going to advance to the round of 16.

Swarthmore v. Oswego

This will be a classic matchup, Swarthmore has a lot of size, but Oswego, while smallish is deep, very athletic and quick on both ends of the floor.  Lakers are probably out to prove something, going 25-2 [losses by 2 and 1 point] and not getting a R1/R2 host spot. The SUNYAC conference unfortunately had a lot of parity, [2-6 seeds had an average of 7 conference losses] which reduced the number of regionally ranked teams, and limited Oswego's opportunity to build a strong RRO resume.

[Pat Coleman]

Can someone explain how Swarthmore is hosting games this weekend, while Hopkins has to go on the road?  Makes absolutely no sense to me.  Hopkins just knocked them off for the league title, has a better record, is ranked higher and (if I am reading the ratings correctly) a stronger strength of schedule.  I suspect the answer will be that Swat beat Hopkins twice during the season and has non-conf wins over three other NCAA qualifiers (Susquehanna, Stevens, Neumann).  But Swat is also the same team that got beaten down on their home floor by a depleted Muhlenberg team, lost on their home floor to Widener (the 6th place team in the MAC Commonwealth), and lost on the road to solid, but inconsistent teams Dickinson and Ursinus.  Hopkins 3 losses were to #4 Christopher Newport and twice to Swat.  On top of this you have Oswego State in the Swarthmore pod, who should also be hosting before Swat.  Is this some kind of nod to Swat from two years ago when the tourney was cancelled and they were the number 1 team?

I doubt that's a nod to anything other than this year's criteria. Swarthmore did win two out of three and the SOS is basically a wash.

[Inkblot]

Map of the teams: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1ML8jI-J3SqHivu7S4uNZ4Jeh7wYbNoh7&ll=39.199163955444455%2C-93.323478&z=4

[npbaseball40]

What defines going rate? Just curious as to how many first-weekend sites this represents.

Do the hosts set their own ticket prices?

I'll chime in here.

Our league (the CCIW) sets league tournament ticket prices and then the NCAA sets regional (and beyond) playoff ticket prices for the host institution. Every cent goes back to the CCIW/NCAA at the conclusion of the respective tournament - ticket sales, NCAA merch, etc.

Hosts "bid" what the cost will be to host and the NCAA reimburses them, but nothing more. At the Division III level, it's an honor and an advantage to host but there is certainly no monetary gain from it.

[D3fanboy]

I don't imagine tickets will be free for anyone. It's NCAA post season. Even $5 for students, possibly.

dont most schools buy a block of student tickets so that the kids can go for free?

[Pat Coleman]

I don't imagine tickets will be free for anyone. It's NCAA post season. Even $5 for students, possibly.

dont most schools buy a block of student tickets so that the kids can go for free?

I don't know if it is most, but that is a common practice, yes.

[Pat Coleman]

What defines going rate? Just curious as to how many first-weekend sites this represents.

Do the hosts set their own ticket prices?

I'll chime in here.

Our league (the CCIW) sets league tournament ticket prices and then the NCAA sets regional (and beyond) playoff ticket prices for the host institution. Every cent goes back to the CCIW/NCAA at the conclusion of the respective tournament - ticket sales, NCAA merch, etc.

Hosts "bid" what the cost will be to host and the NCAA reimburses them, but nothing more. At the Division III level, it's an honor and an advantage to host but there is certainly no monetary gain from it.

The NCAA used to suggest prices, then set minimum prices. I must admit to not having read that part of the handbook in ages.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Can someone explain how Swarthmore is hosting games this weekend, while Hopkins has to go on the road?  Makes absolutely no sense to me.  Hopkins just knocked them off for the league title, has a better record, is ranked higher and (if I am reading the ratings correctly) a stronger strength of schedule.  I suspect the answer will be that Swat beat Hopkins twice during the season and has non-conf wins over three other NCAA qualifiers (Susquehanna, Stevens, Neumann).  But Swat is also the same team that got beaten down on their home floor by a depleted Muhlenberg team, lost on their home floor to Widener (the 6th place team in the MAC Commonwealth), and lost on the road to solid, but inconsistent teams Dickinson and Ursinus.  Hopkins 3 losses were to #4 Christopher Newport and twice to Swat.  On top of this you have Oswego State in the Swarthmore pod, who should also be hosting before Swat.  Is this some kind of nod to Swat from two years ago when the tourney was cancelled and they were the number 1 team?

Head-to-head, Swat still has a 2-1 advantage.

Swat was 5-1 vRRO; Hopkins was 2-3. Swat's lone loss in that category was Hopkins; one of Hopkins wins was to Swat. Otherwise 3-0 for Swat and 1-1 for Hopkins.

SOS was nearly identical: Swat .545 and Hopkins .543.

Because of the head-to-head and vRRO the advantage goes to Swat.

As a result, Swat finished #1 in Region 5 and Hopkins #2.