2022 D3 Men's Soccer National Perspective

[PaulNewman]

Williams is legit, played in the toughest conference and lost only 1 game, could be a sleeper, reminds me of an Italian team in the World Cup some time ago that struggled until the knockout phase and then won the whole thing.

Williams got by far the worst draw of all the NESCACs...NYU and if advance, Messiah.  For me, Bowdoin got the second toughest NESCAC draw.  Tufts I think will be very happy with their draw.  Amherst got an almost Chicago-like draw.  And if Midd gets through the first weekend the Panthers are going to the Final Four.

[camosfan]

Williams is legit, played in the toughest conference and lost only 1 game, could be a sleeper, reminds me of an Italian team in the World Cup some time ago that struggled until the knockout phase and then won the whole thing.

Williams got by far the worst draw of all the NESCACs...NYU and if advance, Messiah.  For me, Bowdoin got the second toughest NESCAC draw.  Tufts I think will be very happy with their draw.  Amherst got an almost Chicago-like draw.  And if Midd gets through the first weekend the Panthers are going to the Final Four.

fair assessment.

[coach analytics]

There sure is a lot of talk about Hamilton "blocking" WestConn in the regional rankings.  But consider this - maybe both teams deserved to make the NCAAs.  Perhaps the committee should reward wins at 2.5 or 3 instead of 2, placing a greater emphasis on wins and less on ties.  Tufts skipped ahead of Hamilton after their NESCAC quarterfinal "loss" in Pks to Williams, which counted as another tie, pushing them to 7-2-7 instead of 7-3-6, and putting them ahead of Hamilton.  So everything being said about Williams applies to Tufts - too great of a reward for ties benefitted both teams.  A greater win value in the rankings model should be considered in this tie-happy world we are now in.

Tufts was already ahead of Hamilton before the NESCAC playoffs due to their 2-1-5 rvr record versus Hamilton at 2-4-1 i think.  Plus tufts wins were over #1 and #2 at the time Middlebury.  The committee clearly looks at quality of wins.

[Gregory Sager]

Calvin (16-2-2)   

Calvin is 36-2-6 in the NCAA tournament.

This is their 20th appearance.

Wow, just wow. How has this team never won the entire thing.

I know you're joking, but, for those who are wondering what you're on about, the NCAA's misprint (dash rather than zero in the right-hand column of Calvin's loss total) in the ncaa.org D3 men's soccer championship record book conceals the fact that Calvin is 36-20-6 in D3 tourney play.

I know they have made many deep deep runs, but definitely the Dutch of D2 soccer.

"D2"?

And, boy, you must really have it in for Calvin if you're identifying them by the nickname of their hated fiercely unloved archrival. Did they put the wood to SLU at some point in the past?

[Gregory Sager]

Once the front passes , Saturday and Sunday's high temps forecast to be 40's, high 30's.  ONU's turf surface won't be an issue and winds aren't projected to be very strong.

Good. Those sound like dramatically better conditions than when North Park went to ONU in early September.

[Christan Shirk]

Calvin (16-2-2)   

Calvin is 36-2-6 in the NCAA tournament.

This is their 20th appearance.

Wow, just wow. How has this team never won the entire thing.

I know you're joking, but, for those who are wondering what you're on about, the NCAA's misprint (dash rather than zero in the right-hand column of Calvin's loss total) in the ncaa.org D3 men's soccer championship record book conceals the fact that Calvin is 36-20-6 in D3 tourney play.

I have corrected the info on D3soccer.com's 2022 NCAA Men's Participants page which we take from the 2022 NCAA Men's Soccer Division III Championships Records Book.  We have corrected numerous errors as we find them in the record books, but that one did not catch my eye.  Glad you guys brought attention to it so we could get it corrected on our website.

[Saint of Old]

Still extremely impressive, but makes more sense now.
Otherwise,  something would be way off.

[coach analytics]

I have spent most of the year focused on NESCAC since I live in the area and see some games.

One thing that is really bothering me is the NYU bid over Montclair St.  I get that NYU has a mathematical advantage over Montclair is sos but their record is much worse.  The next level analysis of rvr, heavily favors Montclair.  NYU is 1-4-1 with a win over #7 Carnegie Mellon whereas MS is 2-2-1 with wins over #2 Rowan and #4 Vassar.  Plus they really challenged themselves by going out to Redlands as well as other high end out of conference.

What am I missing here? 

I am much more sympathetic to this situation than West Conn who played almost no one except Vassar and I really wonder if Vassar deserves to be in with one regional win versus #7 New Paltz.  Hamilton's resume is similar.

[Maine Soccer Fan]

NYU played the two best teams in the country and tied one of them a man down for 60 minutes.

[Coach Jeff]

NYU played the two best teams in the country and tied one of them a man down for 60 minutes.

To add to that they also hit post in the game against Chicago and out shot them 9-8 a man down...

[coach analytics]

NYU played the two best teams in the country and tied one of them a man down for 60 minutes.

I highly doubt that the committee takes into account how many posts you hit or how many times you played a man down and showed real grit.

I do not see the results at all.  Nothing against NYU at all but when your best win is against a #7 ranked regional team (and you lost 4) I find it hard to understand the rationale.

[Maine Soccer Fan]

NYU played the two best teams in the country and tied one of them a man down for 60 minutes.

I highly doubt that the committee takes into account how many posts you hit or how many times you played a man down and showed real grit.

I do not see the results at all.  Nothing against NYU at all but when your best win is against a #7 ranked regional team (and you lost 4) I find it hard to understand the rationale.

Tying the #1 ranked team in the country doesn't count for much? Ok.

How about this, watch them play Williams on Saturday and you'll see exactly why they're in the tournament.

[Muddy]

I have spent most of the year focused on NESCAC since I live in the area and see some games.

One thing that is really bothering me is the NYU bid over Montclair St.  I get that NYU has a mathematical advantage over Montclair is sos but their record is much worse.  The next level analysis of rvr, heavily favors Montclair.  NYU is 1-4-1 with a win over #7 Carnegie Mellon whereas MS is 2-2-1 with wins over #2 Rowan and #4 Vassar.  Plus they really challenged themselves by going out to Redlands as well as other high end out of conference.

What am I missing here? 

I am much more sympathetic to this situation than West Conn who played almost no one except Vassar and I really wonder if Vassar deserves to be in with one regional win versus #7 New Paltz.  Hamilton's resume is similar.

Be careful citing MS's victory over #2 Rowan as a key result. Rowan was really only at #2 because they beat MS in the conference championship. That leads to the logic of, MS beat Rowan, which shows strength because Rowan beat...MS.

I am new to following the Pool C race, but it seems like the committee had MS in a very similar boat to West Conn. Both teams were going to have to win their tournaments to make it in.

[nescac1]

I guess NYU v. Williams is the nobody-believes-we-should-be-here showdown.  Both with a lot to prove (before the winner likely goes down to Messiah, but anything can happen)! 

[Hopkins92]

NYU played the two best teams in the country and tied one of them a man down for 60 minutes.

I highly doubt that the committee takes into account how many posts you hit or how many times you played a man down and showed real grit.

I do not see the results at all.  Nothing against NYU at all but when your best win is against a #7 ranked regional team (and you lost 4) I find it hard to understand the rationale.

Tying the #1 ranked team in the country doesn't count for much? Ok.

How about this, watch them play Williams on Saturday and you'll see exactly why they're in the tournament.

It's such a weird deal, though, because we're told so many times that it all comes down to stats and key criteria.

But I totally agree with you on NYU. They are gnarly to play and have a proven goal scorer.