USC Rankings

[Coach Jeff]

I missed the Babson CG game saw it ended 3-0 for Babson.  Was it one sided or a competitive match?

[Kuiper]

Here are the new rankings for D3 men's soccer for Oct 4.  I'm not sure Willamette is really 7th (I'm not sure they are the best in the West even considering they tied Cal Lutheran and CMS), but they did win two games and Carnegie Mellon and Wesleyan both lost and Gustavus Adolphus tied Wisconsin-Whitewater.

National - Poll 4 - October 4, 2022
Rank    School    Prev    W-L-T
1    University of Chicago    1    10-0-0
2    Messiah University    2    9-0-1
3    Stevens Institute Of Technology    3    8-0-1
4    Kenyon College    4    9-0-0
5    Johns Hopkins University    6    8-0-2
6    North Park University    5    9-1-0
7    Willamette University    10    8-0-2
8    Hamilton College    12    7-0-1
9    Washington & Lee University    13    8-1-1
10    Gustavus Adolphus College    7    7-0-3
11    Calvin University    11    8-1-2
12    Middlebury College    RV    5-1-2
13    Montclair State University    20    8-1-3
14    Carnegie Mellon University    8    8-1-1
15    Babson College    18    6-2-2
16    SUNY Oneonta    14    7-1-1
17    Wesleyan University    9    6-1-1
18    University of Saint Thomas (Texas)    15    7-0-2
19    University of Lynchburg    25    6-0-4
20    Franklin & Marshall College    RV    7-1-1
21    Clarkson University    19    7-1-1
22    Bowdoin College    RV    6-1-1
23    University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire    24    13-0-0
24    Christopher Newport University    17    7-2-0
25    United States Coast Guard Academy    16    6-1-2

Records shown are through games of Oct. 2, 2022

Also receiving votes: Gettysburg College, Williams College, Pacific Lutheran University, Catholic University, St. Mary's College of Maryland, Ohio Northern University, North Central College, Luther College, Sewanee-University of the South

Here are the new rankings for Oct 11.  Same 1-7 teams, although Kenyon jumps Stevens.

https://unitedsoccercoaches.org/rankings/college-rankings/ncaa-diii-men/

National - Poll 5 - October 11, 2022
Rank    School    Prev    W-L-T
1    University of Chicago    1    12-0-0
2    Messiah University    2    11-0-1
3    Kenyon College    4    10-0-1
4    Stevens Institute Of Technology    3    9-0-2
5    Johns Hopkins University    5    9-0-3
6    North Park University    6    10-1-0
7    Willamette University    7    9-0-2
8    Gustavus Adolphus College    10    8-0-3
9    Hamilton College    8    8-0-3
10    Washington & Lee University    9    8-1-3
11    Calvin University    11    10-1-2
12    Middlebury College    12    7-1-2
13    Montclair State University    13    9-1-3
14    Carnegie Mellon University    14    9-1-1
15    Babson College    15    8-2-2
16    University of Lynchburg    19    7-0-5
17    SUNY Cortland    NR    9-3-2
18    Franklin & Marshall College    20    8-1-2
19    Christopher Newport University    24    8-2-1
20    Amherst College    NR    7-1-4
21    Luther College    RV    8-1-3
22    Gettysburg College    RV    7-1-3
23    Bowdoin College    22    8-1-2
24    North Central College    RV    10-0-3
25    Pacific Lutheran University    RV    10-2-0

Records shown are through games of Oct. 9, 2022

Also receiving votes: United States Coast Guard Academy, St. Lawrence University, University of Saint Thomas (Texas), Ohio Northern University, St. Mary's College of Maryland, Western Connecticut State University, University of Wisconsin-Platteville

[BigSoccerFan]

Well, I stand by my opinion :-)

Seriously,  teams that didn't make the ncaa tournament ranked in the top 10, over a team that finished in the final four? How does that make any sense? What does Massey "think" is changing. One has a longstanding coach, the other doesn't.  Do you think Massey has some special insight into the incoming freshmen?!

I will eat my hat if Williams finishes the year ahead of Washington and Lee -- and I will do it on @simplecoach's YouTube channel to boot!

Just checking on the hat...

[PaulNewman]

Well, I stand by my opinion :-)

Seriously,  teams that didn't make the ncaa tournament ranked in the top 10, over a team that finished in the final four? How does that make any sense? What does Massey "think" is changing. One has a longstanding coach, the other doesn't.  Do you think Massey has some special insight into the incoming freshmen?!

I will eat my hat if Williams finishes the year ahead of Washington and Lee -- and I will do it on @simplecoach's YouTube channel to boot!

Just checking on the hat...

LOL.  Did you confuse Williams with Willamette (who also won't be ahead of W&L by end of season)?

[Saint of Old]

I hope someone confused Williams. Either that or learn about some football tradition and realize that Williams is one of the biggest names in D3 soccer history. Not many teams have won a National Championship been to other final 4s had a 400 game winning coach and one of the strongest alumni bases in the country. Again I'm sure it is a mix up.

[PaulNewman]

I hope someone confused Williams. Either that or learn about some football tradition and realize that Williams is one of the biggest names in D3 soccer history. Not many teams have won a National Championship been to other final 4s had a 400 game winning coach and one of the strongest alumni bases in the country. Again I'm sure it is a mix up.

Saint, I don't think it was a history question.  It was a question about whether Williams should be ranked ahead of W&L THIS year.  The poster today seemed to be implying that Williams IS ranked ahead of W&L and they are not.  Hence the comment about whether the poster saw the name Willamette and thought he read Williams.  I don't think any assessment of program credentials over the decades was implied.

[Hopkins92]

Actually, I think what's happening is Another Mom referenced the Massey rankings in her original post, not the USC rankings. I don't think BSF was necessarily confusing Williamette with Williams, but rather looking at Massey where Williams currently sits 23 and W&L is 22.

She's currently out of the hat eating business, but just barely!!

[PaulNewman]

Actually, I think what's happening is Another Mom referenced the Massey rankings in her original post, not the USC rankings. I don't think BSF was necessarily confusing Williamette with Williams, but rather looking at Massey where Williams currently sits 23 and W&L is 22.

She's currently out of the hat eating business, but just barely!!

Good catch, Hopkins...although I think Another Mom has some wiggle room there.  When she wrote "eat hat if finish ahead of W&L at end of season" it's not entirely clear that she's referring to Massey there (especially since she already was questioning the legitimacy/accuracy of Massey from the jump....and since this back and forth happened in the USC rankings thread).

No better way to deal with Monday than some fine-grained textual analyses on a D3 soccer board!

[jknezek]

Nothing like a team that has managed to scrape together 4 wins out of 12 games being ranked in the top 25!

[Saint of Old]

Rankings really do not matter.
It is good for the alumni base and I guess bragging rights, but besides the ones just before the dance they are just for show. If anything it puts a bulls-eye on your back. Ask ConnCollege how nice having that bulls-eye is. I would much rather go under the radar, get a good regional ranking towards the end and then attack the dance.

[Another Mom]

I've been away from the board this morning  -- but the posters are correct, I was referencing *this* season alone. And made my comment because before the season Massey ranked Williams ahead of W&L.

I don't follow all the teams as closely as some of you, but I have a feel for the Williams team having seen them in person several times. My son's high school team even scrimmaged them 3 years ago. Plus I know a few of the players who played with or against my son. I think it's just a different program, at a different point than where W&L is today. That said, W&L this year isn't quite the team it was last year.

[Another Mom]

UNITED SOCCER COACHES TOP 25
NCAA DIII MEN — NATIONAL
Pre-season PollPoll 1Poll 2Poll 3Poll 4Poll 5Poll 6
NATIONAL - POLL 6 - OCTOBER 18, 2022
Rank   School   Prev   W-L-T
1   University of Chicago   1   14-0-0
2   Messiah University   2   13-0-1
3   Kenyon College   3   12-0-1
4   Stevens Institute Of Technology   4   12-0-2
5   Johns Hopkins University   5   11-0-3
6   North Park University   6   11-1-1
7   Middlebury College   12   9-1-2
8   Gustavus Adolphus College   8   10-0-4
9   Calvin University   11   12-1-2
10   Montclair State University   13   11-1-3
11   Washington & Lee University   10   9-1-4
12   University of Lynchburg   16   9-0-5
13   Willamette University   7   10-1-2
14   Bowdoin College   23   9-1-2
15   SUNY Cortland   17   11-3-2
16   Amherst College   20   7-1-4
16   Christopher Newport University   19   9-2-1
18   Babson College   15   9-3-2
19   Franklin & Marshall College   18   9-1-3
20   Pacific Lutheran University   25   12-2-0
21   Ohio Northern University   RV   9-2-3
22   Western Connecticut State University   RV   14-0-1
23   North Central College   24   11-0-4
24   St. Lawrence University   RV   8-1-5
25   Hamilton College   NR   8-1-3
25   University of Wisconsin-Platteville   RV   10-3-2
Records shown are through games of Oct. 16, 2022

Also receiving votes: Carnegie Mellon University, Case Western Reserve University, United States Coast Guard Academy, SUNY Oneonta, Occidental College, University of Mary Washington, Misericordia University, Chapman University, Catholic University, University of Mary Hardin-Baylor


It will be interesting to see which poll/ranking ends up being more accurate by season's end for my Williams friend and I.

[paclassic89]

At this point, with the regional rankings coming out this week, these USC rankings are really meaningless.  They are useful earlier in the season to get an idea where teams stand.  W&L will be ranked ahead of Williams the rest of this season (barring an epic collapse)  and it won't be particularly close.  The reason Williams was ranked ahead of W&L in Massey to start the season is because historically they are the stronger program and they play in a tougher conference which boosts their SOS.  It's pure statistics.  There's 0 subjectivity to Massey's ratings

[Shooter McGavin]

Curious as to why the USC doesn't adopt the NCAA model for how many teams are ranked in each region. Does anybody know?

[Kuiper]

UNITED SOCCER COACHES TOP 25
NCAA DIII MEN — NATIONAL
Pre-season PollPoll 1Poll 2Poll 3Poll 4Poll 5Poll 6
NATIONAL - POLL 6 - OCTOBER 18, 2022
Rank   School   Prev   W-L-T
1   University of Chicago   1   14-0-0
2   Messiah University   2   13-0-1
3   Kenyon College   3   12-0-1
4   Stevens Institute Of Technology   4   12-0-2
5   Johns Hopkins University   5   11-0-3
6   North Park University   6   11-1-1
7   Middlebury College   12   9-1-2
8   Gustavus Adolphus College   8   10-0-4
9   Calvin University   11   12-1-2
10   Montclair State University   13   11-1-3
11   Washington & Lee University   10   9-1-4
12   University of Lynchburg   16   9-0-5
13   Willamette University   7   10-1-2
14   Bowdoin College   23   9-1-2
15   SUNY Cortland   17   11-3-2
16   Amherst College   20   7-1-4
16   Christopher Newport University   19   9-2-1
18   Babson College   15   9-3-2
19   Franklin & Marshall College   18   9-1-3
20   Pacific Lutheran University   25   12-2-0
21   Ohio Northern University   RV   9-2-3
22   Western Connecticut State University   RV   14-0-1
23   North Central College   24   11-0-4
24   St. Lawrence University   RV   8-1-5
25   Hamilton College   NR   8-1-3
25   University of Wisconsin-Platteville   RV   10-3-2
Records shown are through games of Oct. 16, 2022

Also receiving votes: Carnegie Mellon University, Case Western Reserve University, United States Coast Guard Academy, SUNY Oneonta, Occidental College, University of Mary Washington, Misericordia University, Chapman University, Catholic University, University of Mary Hardin-Baylor


It will be interesting to see which poll/ranking ends up being more accurate by season's end for my Williams friend and I.

New Rankings for Oct. 17.  Calvin takes a big tumble from 9 to 19 after the 1-0 loss to Albion as does Johns Hopkins from 5 to 15 after the ties to Dickinson and Muhlenberg.  North Central's jump from 23 to 12 seems to reflect the strong performance after it tied North Park on Oct. 12, winning three in a row.

National - Poll 7 - October 25, 2022
Rank    School    Prev    W-L-T
1    University of Chicago    1    14-0-0
2    Messiah University    2    15-0-1
3    Kenyon College    3    14-0-1
4    Stevens Institute Of Technology    4    14-0-2
5    Gustavus Adolphus College    8    11-0-4
6    Bowdoin College    14    11-1-2
7    Washington & Lee University    11    11-1-4
8    Willamette University    13    12-1-2
9    Franklin & Marshall College    19    11-1-3
10    Amherst College    16    8-1-5
11    Montclair State University    10    12-1-4
12    North Central College    23    13-0-4
13    Ohio Northern University    21    11-2-3
14    Babson College    18    11-3-2
15    Johns Hopkins University    5    11-0-5
16    SUNY Cortland    15    12-4-2
17    University of Mary Washington    RV    9-3-2
18    St. Lawrence University    24    9-1-5
19    Calvin University    9    13-2-2
20    Middlebury College    7    9-2-3
21    Western Connecticut State University    22    16-0-1
22    Endicott College    NR    10-4-4
23    Pacific Lutheran University    20    13-3-0
24    St. Olaf College    NR    11-5-0
25    Christopher Newport University    16    10-3-1

Records shown are through games of Oct. 23, 2022

Also receiving votes: University of Wisconsin-Platteville, Case Western Reserve University, Hamilton College, North Park University, Chapman University, University of Saint Thomas (Texas), Tufts University, United States Coast Guard Academy, University of Lynchburg, University of Mary Hardin-Baylor, SUNY Oneonta, Carnegie Mellon University