UAA Soccer 2022

[camosfan]

maybe a lot of us are not processing draws correctly, the visiting team got the edge in a tie, regardless of the home team's ranking.

[WUPHF]

My comment about the rule changes was more or less a throw-away comment that I thought would quickly disappear, but I guess people wanted to talk about the rule changes.

I am not sure how long the Rochester and Washington University would have lasted, but I never suggested that two overtimes would have resulted in a winner.

It would be interesting to see the extent to which a team that plays multiple overtimes has an increase in injuries.  I am not sure that we know the answer. 

I do not see a reason to compare the college game to the international leagues for all the obvious reasons.

[WUPHF]

So, apologies UAA aficionados for the mini-threadjack, but I wanted to come in and thank PN for typing this out... This is EXACTLY how I feel about the OT rules.

No need to apologize...the UAA talk has been quiet this season, though we have Case Western Reserve and Carnegie Mellon traveling to Chicago (and of less interest, St. Louis) this weekend so maybe that changes.

[College Soccer Observer]

I am ok either way but the one negative I see is that it actually hurts the teams that actually have deep benches.  D1 schools do not use their bench as often so let's face it the decision is made from the D1 programs not D2 or D3.  They want it to be more like International programs.  A lot of D3 student athletes go to colleges of their choice to play the game they love (without any athletic scholarships) not just watch every game from the side lines

The sentiment that D1 programs make the rules could not be further from the truth.  If that were the case, we would have sub rules that mirror the pro game.  When D1 men wanted more restrictive sub rules this year, there was an uproar from D3 programs that caused the proposed change to be withdrawn.  The removal of overtime was overwhelmingly supported by D3 schools because of the frequency of back to back games or two game weekends that increased wear and tear on players.

[Gregory Sager]

The University of Rochester has been colloquially referred to as "Rochester U" since its inception and is the use is appropriate, if old fashioned, as long as the context would not allow the University to be confused with the other 4-5 institutions with Rochester in the name.

Hmm. I've never heard it called that, and I grew up 80 miles from Rochester and had a number of friends who attended the university. But you're the one who swims in the UAA sea, not me, so I'll take your word for it. "RU" is just plain wrong, though.

I am sure the communication professionals at Rochester would advise otherwise, but that is to be expected.  Officially, the use of WashU or Wash.U. was prohibited in official communications until 5-7 years ago.

"Wash U" at least makes sense, though, since it's a shortening of the school's name rather than an anastrophe of it.

[Gregory Sager]

And speaking of Rochester, the Yellowjackets played Washington University more or less evenly through 90 minutes on Sunday.  Both teams deserved overtime. 

I do not understand the new rules.

Join the club. As I said in another thread, I'm getting sick of seeing W-L-T records that look like area codes.

extra time is 'ironman feature' pro don't do that,  students should not be subjected to that rigor. I think over time as teams adjust to the new rule we will see more exciting games.

There's nothing "ironman feature" about a level of soccer that allows unlimited substitutions. And "pros don't do that" is not a determining factor here. Pros don't have unlimited substitutions, either.

I have watched a number of draws thus far this season, and I haven't noticed any more excitement than was the case in the past with overtimes.

Rochester and Wash U might have played another hour without a goal.  Iirc, there were days in past years before OT was dropped where all four UAA games ended in draws.  Draws also have been frequent in NESCAC for years as well.

Somebody on these boards has been tracking D3 draws this year as compared to last year (Simple Coach, perhaps?), and as you said there's no question that we are getting far more draws. It's really noticeable in terms of records. You can definitely see the increase when you track back to previous years. Taking your NESCAC example, for instance, there has only been one prior season (2015) in which as many as four of the league's eleven teams had three or more draws in league play. Three out of eleven was a rarity, and seasons with zero teams that had three or more NESCAC draws were pretty common.

This year? Five NESCAC teams already have three or more draws in league play, and there's still two and a half weeks left in the regular season. Heck, the White Mules of Colby are practically having makeout sessions with their sisters, having registered a level scoreboard at the end of five of their seven NESCAC contests to date, with their overall record featuring seven draws in twelve games played.

It seems that a majority (not sure how much of a majority) would prefer overtime periods.  I lean towards preferring the new rule but I also would have been fine with just getting rid of golden goal (which I personally think is more fair if the concern is the likelihood that a superior team will prevail).  That said, I would reiterate the very compressed season and that many (most) teams seem to have 3-5 injuries at any given time (and a couple of those may be season-ending).  I also would note for the traditionalists that no professional league that I am aware of plays overtime periods until playoff, knock-out situations.  The World Cup doesn't have OTs in group play.

I think that the compressed-season argument carries a lot more weight than the this-isn't-how-the-pros-do-it argument. D3 isn't the pros, nor is its purpose to prepare student-athletes for the pros. The question with the compressed-season argument is: how valid of an argument is it when unlimited substitutions are allowed and rosters are so comparatively large? Is it just a cop-out for coaches who refuse to go deep into their benches because they're afraid of an excessive dropoff in ability?
 

At any rate, now combine the compressed schedule, playing out two OTs (with golden goal or without), and allowing only 3-5 subs with no re-entry.  When do the various factors in combination add up to survival of the fittest (and good fortune) more so than rules adjustments in the name of enhancing the beautiful game?

This is a good question. It does significantly reduce the wild card of coaching decisions and the subjective nature of a coach's comfort level with substitutions ... which is why I doubt that the coaches would like it.

There's no question that we are getting far more draws.  I'm not convinced that this is because more teams are playing for draws.  In fact, I'd bet that while draws have risen dramatically we've also seen a dramatic rise in goals scored in the final 2-3 minutes (either to level or to win).

That's an interesting theory. It only awaits someone with the spare time to go deep into the weeds in researching it.

maybe a lot of us are not processing draws correctly, the visiting team got the edge in a tie, regardless of the home team's ranking.

That's a subjective assessment. I'm not aware of a soccer organization or level that uses any variation of the three-point-win system that allots points credit or penalty based upon home or away.

[camosfan]

'm not aware of a soccer organization or level that uses any variation of the three-point-win system that allots points credit or penalty based upon home or away.

was not really referring to any points system but generally how pundits assess performances, road trips are especially tough on D3 teams with the limited resources they have available.

[Gregory Sager]

Oh, I certainly agree with the concept of home-field advantage. What I'm saying is that you can't just reduce every game that ends in a draw to the conclusion that it's advantage-visitor. F'rinstance, back on September 3, Messiah drew with Lynchburg at Shellenberger Field in Lynchburg. Do the Falcons "get the edge" for that game as the road team, despite the fact that the Falcons are undeniably superior to the Hornets?

[PaulNewman]

My comment about the rule changes was more or less a throw-away comment that I thought would quickly disappear, but I guess people wanted to talk about the rule changes.

I am not sure how long the Rochester and Washington University would have lasted, but I never suggested that two overtimes would have resulted in a winner.

It would be interesting to see the extent to which a team that plays multiple overtimes has an increase in injuries.  I am not sure that we know the answer. 

I do not see a reason to compare the college game to the international leagues for all the obvious reasons.

I didn't get to respond to this earlier.  I am NOT in favor of comparing college, especially D3, to international leagues.  Some, though, have lamented that D3 doesn't better mirror international standards and seem to have suggested that goals even in D3 should be consistent with that.  My point is that for those who want D3 to be more like "real soccer" then it seems a little contradictory to argue for rules counter to that...that's all.

[WUPHF]

Ah, got it! Thanks for the clarification...

[Coach Jeff]

Is anyone else disappointed in the NYU team this season?  Even with the win today over Emory 3-2 such high hopes in the beginning of the season.

Also CMU did not even show up for their game against Chicago today.  That being said the Maroons looked really good today

[Kuiper]

Is anyone else disappointed in the NYU team this season?  Even with the win today over Emory 3-2 such high hopes in the beginning of the season.

Also CMU did not even show up for their game against Chicago today.  That being said the Maroons looked really good today

I feel like the Maroons added another gear to their game on offense today, choosing to press more than maybe they have in the past.  I expect that Coach Sitch challenged the boys and used CMU's high ranking as a way to motivate them to up their game.  That basically unmasked CMU as being a bit over-ranking, which might have been evident from their loss to NYU a few games ago.

[PaulNewman]

Is anyone else disappointed in the NYU team this season?  Even with the win today over Emory 3-2 such high hopes in the beginning of the season.

Also CMU did not even show up for their game against Chicago today.  That being said the Maroons looked really good today

I feel like the Maroons added another gear to their game on offense today, choosing to press more than maybe they have in the past.  I expect that Coach Sitch challenged the boys and used CMU's high ranking as a way to motivate them to up their game.  That basically unmasked CMU as being a bit over-ranking, which might have been evident from their loss to NYU a few games ago.

3:00 – Carnegie Mellon @ Chicago – (You want the truth?!  You can't handle the truth!  Moment of truth for the Tartans and I don't expect the truth to be kind.  Maroons 3-0.)

CMU has been living off a last minute goal against JCU for way too long.  There next best win was Brandeis who is last place in UAA and having a rough season.  CMU has had by far the weakest schedule in the UAA and among the Region VII upper tier.

[SimpleCoach]

And speaking of Rochester, the Yellowjackets played Washington University more or less evenly through 90 minutes on Sunday.  Both teams deserved overtime. 

I do not understand the new rules.

@WUPHF .... did you pay $5.95 to watch the game? Or were you in the stands?

SC.

[WUPHF]

I was in the stands for the Rochester game as that was in St. Louis. Washington University has donors who have endowed the broadcasts, but would find the money even if that was not the case.  John Schael, the long time athletic director, was committed to free access to the games and that tradition has continued, thankfully.