Pool C 2022

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Bethel 28, SJU 24.

Johnnies enter Pool C.

Utica 31 (E8)  #25 Union 24 (LL)

Union goes to Pool C.

How does a non-conference loss put Union in pool C?

[Ralph Turner]

Bethel 28, SJU 24.

Johnnies enter Pool C.

Not really- the MIAC has a conference championship game where, unless things get super weird, St. John's and Bethel are going to play again for the Pool A bid.  That game will be in Collegeville.  If they lose that one, then yes, they're in Pool C.

My bad!  My brain has not re-programmed for the MIAC Championship game.

However, that loser may get knocked out of Pool C this year.

As of today and without the championship game, I would have given Bethel the Pool A and SJU a Pool C bid.

[Ralph Turner]

Bethel 28, SJU 24.

Johnnies enter Pool C.

Utica 31 (E8)  #25 Union 24 (LL)

Union goes to Pool C.

How does a non-conference loss put Union in pool C?

Thanks Grizzly.

More accurately, I believe that they must win the LL (beat Ithaca) to get a bid, a Pool A.

[Ralph Turner]

UWW takes care of business and remains undefeated in the WIAC. UWO probably wins out and finishes with 2 losses (UWW and UWRF).

JHU holds off the Mules, 34-27.

Pool C exhales in relief.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Did it last year, here it is again. A nice visual representation of who could have any shot at Pool C.

Before asking "why is X listed as 2 loss when they only have 1 loss", it's because they must lose again to be in pool C. For example, Mary Hardin-Baylor already has 1 loss. If they finish with one loss they are in via pool A. Therefore they are listed as two loss pool C because if they end up in pool C they must have at least two losses.

This has no future predictions made, it's solely as things stand about pool C right now.
Just because a team is listed in red doesn't mean they can't win their conference and make the playoffs via Pool A.
Just because a team is in the 1 loss pool C category doesn't mean they have a realistic shot at pool C.

[Inkblot]

Two notable changes, per the D3 championships committee report (https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/committees/d3/champs/SEP2022D3CC_September1213Report.pdf):

1. No region will have more than seven teams ranked.

2. The flight threshold is back at 500 miles.

[Ralph Turner]

Respectfully, I read paragraph 5c to mean 600 miles for this calendar year.

[Etchglow]

Respectfully, I read paragraph 5c to mean 600 miles for this calendar year.

I sort of read it the other way.  That is, if this is the 2022-2023 championship season, those always kind of throw me...  On the other hand they should probably learn to write more clearly and concisely lol.

Championship mileage radius. Last year, the committee increased the 500-mile radius for flights to 600 miles to mitigate the pandemic's impact on the airline industry (e.g., limited flights and increased cancellations).  It discussed if the current 600-mile radius for flights should be retained for the 2022-23 championships but agreed to revert back to the 500-mile radius.

[Hawks88]

I thought this part was pretty clear - "but agreed to revert back to the 500-mile radius." Looks like it's 500 miles this year.

[Ralph Turner]

Thanks.

[hazzben]

SJU vs GAC this Saturday. Winner has pole position for representing the "Northwoods Division" in the MIAC Championship Game for the Pool A bid. Carleton also unbeaten, but hasn't played Concordia, SJU, or GAC yet (they don't play Bethel since they are protected from playing top cross division teams this scheduling go around). Bethel manhandled Concordia to secure first in their division. All signs point to the GAC vs. SJU tilt being a play in for the MIAC Championship Game.

Bethel's loss to UWP (without Roste at QB) means they need to beat SJU again (at SJU) to secure Pool A. They'd be in a precarious spot with 2 losses for Pool C. A two loss SJU, with both losses to Bethel would be strangely similar to the Bethel team that got in via Pool C last year. The caveat being SJU would have two good/great wins against UWRF and UWW on their resume as well.

[Ralph Turner]

SJU vs GAC this Saturday. Winner has pole position for representing the "Northwoods Division" in the MIAC Championship Game for the Pool A bid. Carleton also unbeaten, but hasn't played Concordia, SJU, or GAC yet (they don't play Bethel since they are protected from playing top cross division teams this scheduling go around). Bethel manhandled Concordia to secure first in their division. All signs point to the GAC vs. SJU tilt being a play in for the MIAC Championship Game.

Bethel's loss to UWP (without Roste at QB) means they need to beat SJU again (at SJU) to secure Pool A. They'd be in a precarious spot with 2 losses for Pool C. A two loss SJU, with both losses to Bethel would be strangely similar to the Bethel team that got in via Pool C last year. The caveat being SJU would have two good/great wins against UWRF and UWW on their resume as well.

Going 2-2 against RR teams in football (as opposed to hoops or baseball) is an impressive "Records Against Regionally Ranked Teams", because those teams will be ranked very highly in the respective regions.

IMHO, a 2-loss SJU gets a Pool C bid. (Now all that has to happen is for UWRF to remain in the Regional Rankings...)

[Ralph Turner]

And in the WIAC-ky today, UW-Platteville 17, UW-Whitewater 13.
Nice win for HSU's Pool C chances.

[tigerguy]

And in the WIAC-ky today, UW-Platteville 17, UW-Whitewater 13.
Nice win for HSU's Pool C chances.

Feel like they pretty much have to include HSU if Trinity/HSU/UMHB all win out. Even though D3 playoffs all comes down to money for the NCAA, I can't see them making UMHB/Trinity play each other again first round this year. Even less likely is the NCAA flying in TWO teams to play separate first round matchups against UMHB and Trinity, which is the way it should be. So, assuming the teams win out, HSU is all but guaranteed in as a Pool C for money reasons alone and gets a first-round matchup against Trinity. UMHB gets the benefit of the rule of not having first-round matchups include teams who played each other in the regular season [is that still a rule?] and a team other than HSU gets flown in for the first-round slaughter against UMHB.

[wally_wabash]

And in the WIAC-ky today, UW-Platteville 17, UW-Whitewater 13.
Nice win for HSU's Pool C chances.

Feel like they pretty much have to include HSU if Trinity/HSU/UMHB all win out. Even though D3 playoffs all comes down to money for the NCAA, I can't see them making UMHB/Trinity play each other again first round this year. Even less likely is the NCAA flying in TWO teams to play separate first round matchups against UMHB and Trinity, which is the way it should be. So, assuming the teams win out, HSU is all but guaranteed in as a Pool C for money reasons alone and gets a first-round matchup against Trinity. UMHB gets the benefit of the rule of not having first-round matchups include teams who played each other in the regular season [is that still a rule?] and a team other than HSU gets flown in for the first-round slaughter against UMHB.

Money does not dictate who gets in and who doesn't.  Full stop. 

Stop perpetuating this nonsense.