Pool C 2022

[Etchglow]

If the power programs consolidating their positions by playing each other in the OOC portion of they year is troubling to the other 98% of the division, there's an easy solution.  If you're one of first, say 50 schools, that Jesse Burleson or Kevin Bullis or Larry Harmon calls to play a game, say yes.

I think this is a pretty silly response Wally. My issue is not that these games shouldn't be getting played because it's not fair because it makes those good teams get even better.

My issue is that, aside from simply not wanting to lose by 50 points (which yes, is a big part of it), maybe D3 teams in the NE/East don't want to go to Texas, or Wisconsin, or Oregon because most teams don't have the resources to ship an entire football team across the country for one OOC game.

I don't think UMHB or HSU flying up to Wisconsin for games is their top choice either, but hey, lemons to lemonade and whatnot. 

Right, but they can. They're willing/able to spend the money to do that.

I don't think most D3 schools are in the same boat. I think we just have to be willing to state that most teams aren't going to go to these lengths to get 10 games. I'm not sure it's a "problem" either way, again, until we try to apply a division-wide system (Pool C) across the two worlds

I am not certain that HSU is as willing and able as you might think. They haven't had a non conference game outside the state of Texas since 2013, playing a mixture of non ASC but based in Texas D3 teams and NAIA teams. I truly think last year was the straw that broke the camels back, where one of the big reasons they did not get in the playoffs was they played a non D3 team as there only non conference game. They seemed perfectly happy to not overly strain themselves to get a 10th game but in the end I believe they felt if they wanted a better shot they had to do it.

Yeah, it wasn't that long ago they were having severe money problems and had to cut a bunch of programs.  They're also being sued by McMurry for over a million dollars right now lol.

What are they being sued for??? 

And after BSC lost a tight one to Huntingdon this past weekend, I'm happy to still be getting mentioned.  Of course, at this point, we all still control our own destiny.

Something about a shared nursing school.

[crufootball]

If the power programs consolidating their positions by playing each other in the OOC portion of they year is troubling to the other 98% of the division, there's an easy solution.  If you're one of first, say 50 schools, that Jesse Burleson or Kevin Bullis or Larry Harmon calls to play a game, say yes.

I think this is a pretty silly response Wally. My issue is not that these games shouldn't be getting played because it's not fair because it makes those good teams get even better.

My issue is that, aside from simply not wanting to lose by 50 points (which yes, is a big part of it), maybe D3 teams in the NE/East don't want to go to Texas, or Wisconsin, or Oregon because most teams don't have the resources to ship an entire football team across the country for one OOC game.

I don't think UMHB or HSU flying up to Wisconsin for games is their top choice either, but hey, lemons to lemonade and whatnot. 

Right, but they can. They're willing/able to spend the money to do that.

I don't think most D3 schools are in the same boat. I think we just have to be willing to state that most teams aren't going to go to these lengths to get 10 games. I'm not sure it's a "problem" either way, again, until we try to apply a division-wide system (Pool C) across the two worlds

I am not certain that HSU is as willing and able as you might think. They haven't had a non conference game outside the state of Texas since 2013, playing a mixture of non ASC but based in Texas D3 teams and NAIA teams. I truly think last year was the straw that broke the camels back, where one of the big reasons they did not get in the playoffs was they played a non D3 team as there only non conference game. They seemed perfectly happy to not overly strain themselves to get a 10th game but in the end I believe they felt if they wanted a better shot they had to do it.

Yeah, it wasn't that long ago they were having severe money problems and had to cut a bunch of programs.  They're also being sued by McMurry for over a million dollars right now lol.

What are they being sued for??? 

And after BSC lost a tight one to Huntingdon this past weekend, I'm happy to still be getting mentioned.  Of course, at this point, we all still control our own destiny.

Something about a shared nursing school.

Yes, years ago Abilene Christian, McMurry and HSU all shared a nursing program, ACU left about 10 years ago and it seems like now McMurry is not happy with the way HSU is trying to get out of the agreement and form their own program.

https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/news/education/mcmurry-files-lawsuit-against-hardin-simmons-seeking-more-than-1-million/

[Ralph Turner]

And after BSC lost a tight one to Huntingdon this past weekend, I'm happy to still be getting mentioned.  Of course, at this point, we all still control our own destiny.

Huntingdon made their case to host a 1st round game with the win over BSC, if BSC finishes strong (8-2 or better). Linfield is my favorite to go undefeated and host the SCAIC Champ in the first round.
The win over Huntingdon, as a Pool A, and possibly Redlands as the SCIAC Pool A, helps Linfield toward the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

It is tough out here west of the 87th longitude (Chicagoland). I make the case that we have 10-11 of the top 12-14 teams in D3 out here.

CCIW - NCC & Wheaton
WIAC - UWW and WIAC #2 and sometimes #3
MIAC - SJU and usually Bethel
SAA - Coach Urban has his Trinity program running full speed just like 10-15 years ago
ASC - UMHB & HSU
NWC - Linfield

[smedindy]

About the Region 1 and 2 teams - a lot of them have limited travel budgets and can't realistically travel much past their region. The state schools in New England, for one, have limited travel. They're not going to go the UMHB or Whitewater, no matter if they can compete with them.

Many other teams have a travel issue as well. The teams of the South and West have decided that they will travel to play football. They certainly don't have to - Colorado College backed out a few years ago. 

[Toby Taff]

If the power programs consolidating their positions by playing each other in the OOC portion of they year is troubling to the other 98% of the division, there's an easy solution.  If you're one of first, say 50 schools, that Jesse Burleson or Kevin Bullis or Larry Harmon calls to play a game, say yes.

I think this is a pretty silly response Wally. My issue is not that these games shouldn't be getting played because it's not fair because it makes those good teams get even better.

My issue is that, aside from simply not wanting to lose by 50 points (which yes, is a big part of it), maybe D3 teams in the NE/East don't want to go to Texas, or Wisconsin, or Oregon because most teams don't have the resources to ship an entire football team across the country for one OOC game.

I don't think UMHB or HSU flying up to Wisconsin for games is their top choice either, but hey, lemons to lemonade and whatnot. 

Right, but they can. They're willing/able to spend the money to do that.

I don't think most D3 schools are in the same boat. I think we just have to be willing to state that most teams aren't going to go to these lengths to get 10 games. I'm not sure it's a "problem" either way, again, until we try to apply a division-wide system (Pool C) across the two worlds

I am not certain that HSU is as willing and able as you might think. They haven't had a non conference game outside the state of Texas since 2013, playing a mixture of non ASC but based in Texas D3 teams and NAIA teams. I truly think last year was the straw that broke the camels back, where one of the big reasons they did not get in the playoffs was they played a non D3 team as there only non conference game. They seemed perfectly happy to not overly strain themselves to get a 10th game but in the end I believe they felt if they wanted a better shot they had to do it.

Yeah, it wasn't that long ago they were having severe money problems and had to cut a bunch of programs.  They're also being sued by McMurry for over a million dollars right now lol.

What are they being sued for??? 

And after BSC lost a tight one to Huntingdon this past weekend, I'm happy to still be getting mentioned.  Of course, at this point, we all still control our own destiny.

Something about a shared nursing school.

Yes, years ago Abilene Christian, McMurry and HSU all shared a nursing program, ACU left about 10 years ago and it seems like now McMurry is not happy with the way HSU is trying to get out of the agreement and form their own program.

https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/news/education/mcmurry-files-lawsuit-against-hardin-simmons-seeking-more-than-1-million/

After talking with someone on the McM team doing the digging about the details, I'll just say that HSU tried to pull some shady stuff and got called on it, and McM has receipts. Ralph do you have any insight you can share?

[Ralph Turner]

This is the extent of my knowledge.

https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/news/education/mcmurry-files-lawsuit-against-hardin-simmons-seeking-more-than-1-million/

[Toby Taff]

This is the extent of my knowledge.

https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/news/education/mcmurry-files-lawsuit-against-hardin-simmons-seeking-more-than-1-million/

Thanks Ralph. I could possibly offer more info, but apparently not without editorializing based on my feelings about current HSU admiistration. I do not want to do that; so,I will refrain

[crufootball]

This is the extent of my knowledge.

https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/news/education/mcmurry-files-lawsuit-against-hardin-simmons-seeking-more-than-1-million/

Thanks Ralph. I could possibly offer more info, but apparently not without editorializing based on my feelings about current HSU admiistration. I do not want to do that; so,I will refrain

Ahhhh where is the fun in that Toby haha with all seriousness is it Saturday yet?

[Toby Taff]

This is the extent of my knowledge.

https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/news/education/mcmurry-files-lawsuit-against-hardin-simmons-seeking-more-than-1-million/

Thanks Ralph. I could possibly offer more info, but apparently not without editorializing based on my feelings about current HSU admiistration. I do not want to do that; so,I will refrain

Ahhhh where is the fun in that Toby haha with all seriousness is it Saturday yet?

I will gladly editorialize in person, standing in front of my name on the HSU alumni wall wearing Cru gear on Saturday if you want to hear the deets. And, sadly, no. It isn't saturday I have 4 more days of middle schoolers before we get there.

[HSUCowboy2015]

This is the extent of my knowledge.

https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/news/education/mcmurry-files-lawsuit-against-hardin-simmons-seeking-more-than-1-million/

Thanks Ralph. I could possibly offer more info, but apparently not without editorializing based on my feelings about current HSU admiistration. I do not want to do that; so,I will refrain

Ahhhh where is the fun in that Toby haha with all seriousness is it Saturday yet?

I will gladly editorialize in person, standing in front of my name on the HSU alumni wall wearing Cru gear on Saturday if you want to hear the deets. And, sadly, no. It isn't saturday I have 4 more days of middle schoolers before we get there.

I have two degrees from HSU and worked at the University under the current Administration. Will be at the game Saturday and would love to hear your opinions.

[Toby Taff]

This is the extent of my knowledge.

https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/news/education/mcmurry-files-lawsuit-against-hardin-simmons-seeking-more-than-1-million/

Thanks Ralph. I could possibly offer more info, but apparently not without editorializing based on my feelings about current HSU admiistration. I do not want to do that; so,I will refrain

Ahhhh where is the fun in that Toby haha with all seriousness is it Saturday yet?

I will gladly editorialize in person, standing in front of my name on the HSU alumni wall wearing Cru gear on Saturday if you want to hear the deets. And, sadly, no. It isn't saturday I have 4 more days of middle schoolers before we get there.

I have two degrees from HSU and worked at the University under the current Administration. Will be at the game Saturday and would love to hear your opinions.

Are you still in Abilene? I'll happily meet you for coffee and have that conversation

[Ralph Turner]

Bethel 28, SJU 24.

Johnnies enter Pool C.

[Cowboy2]

Does Bethel get their QB back and win their regular season showdown against STJ but then lose the conf championship to STJ and sneak back in?

Biggest question.... do two or more 8-2 teams make it this season

Good game and their QB is good!

[Ralph Turner]

Bethel 28, SJU 24.

Johnnies enter Pool C.

Utica 31 (E8)  #25 Union 24 (LL)

Union goes to Pool C.

[wally_wabash]

Bethel 28, SJU 24.

Johnnies enter Pool C.

Not really- the MIAC has a conference championship game where, unless things get super weird, St. John's and Bethel are going to play again for the Pool A bid.  That game will be in Collegeville.  If they lose that one, then yes, they're in Pool C.