Pool C 2022

[Ralph Turner]

And in the WIAC-ky today, UW-Platteville 17, UW-Whitewater 13.
Nice win for HSU's Pool C chances.

Feel like they pretty much have to include HSU if Trinity/HSU/UMHB all win out. Even though D3 playoffs all comes down to money for the NCAA, I can't see them making UMHB/Trinity play each other again first round this year. Even less likely is the NCAA flying in TWO teams to play separate first round matchups against UMHB and Trinity, which is the way it should be. So, assuming the teams win out, HSU is all but guaranteed in as a Pool C for money reasons alone and gets a first-round matchup against Trinity. UMHB gets the benefit of the rule of not having first-round matchups include teams who played each other in the regular season [is that still a rule?] and a team other than HSU gets flown in for the first-round slaughter against UMHB.

If HSU and UWW are on the table at the same time, HSU has a win over a common opponent with UWW.

SJU took care of business today against GAC. That helps.
Cortland monkey-stomped Utica today 48-21, being up 41-7 early in the 3rd quarter.

[wally_wabash]

And in the WIAC-ky today, UW-Platteville 17, UW-Whitewater 13.
Nice win for HSU's Pool C chances.

Feel like they pretty much have to include HSU if Trinity/HSU/UMHB all win out. Even though D3 playoffs all comes down to money for the NCAA, I can't see them making UMHB/Trinity play each other again first round this year. Even less likely is the NCAA flying in TWO teams to play separate first round matchups against UMHB and Trinity, which is the way it should be. So, assuming the teams win out, HSU is all but guaranteed in as a Pool C for money reasons alone and gets a first-round matchup against Trinity. UMHB gets the benefit of the rule of not having first-round matchups include teams who played each other in the regular season [is that still a rule?] and a team other than HSU gets flown in for the first-round slaughter against UMHB.

If HSU and UWW are on the table at the same time, HSU has a win over a common opponent with UWW.

SJU took care of business today against GAC. That helps.
Cortland monkey-stomped Utica today 48-21, being up 41-7 early in the 3rd quarter.

Whitewater will also have better (more) results vs RRO and a far superior SOS.  These decisions could be extremely difficult. 

I believe the most likely scenario remains that UWW and UWL win out, UWW qualifies through Pool A, UWL qualifies through Pool C.  But, as we were reminded again today, you gotta play the games!

[Ralph Turner]

And in the WIAC-ky today, UW-Platteville 17, UW-Whitewater 13.
Nice win for HSU's Pool C chances.

Feel like they pretty much have to include HSU if Trinity/HSU/UMHB all win out. Even though D3 playoffs all comes down to money for the NCAA, I can't see them making UMHB/Trinity play each other again first round this year. Even less likely is the NCAA flying in TWO teams to play separate first round matchups against UMHB and Trinity, which is the way it should be. So, assuming the teams win out, HSU is all but guaranteed in as a Pool C for money reasons alone and gets a first-round matchup against Trinity. UMHB gets the benefit of the rule of not having first-round matchups include teams who played each other in the regular season [is that still a rule?] and a team other than HSU gets flown in for the first-round slaughter against UMHB.

If HSU and UWW are on the table at the same time, HSU has a win over a common opponent with UWW.

SJU took care of business today against GAC. That helps.
Cortland monkey-stomped Utica today 48-21, being up 41-7 early in the 3rd quarter.

Whitewater will also have better (more) results vs RRO and a far superior SOS.  These decisions could be extremely difficult. 

I believe the most likely scenario remains that UWW and UWL win out, UWW qualifies through Pool A, UWL qualifies through Pool C.  But, as we were reminded again today, you gotta play the games!

UWW has a win over common opponent UMHB. (Sorry to forget about that one. I am not an alumus of Hardened Sinners University)

[tigerguy]

And in the WIAC-ky today, UW-Platteville 17, UW-Whitewater 13.
Nice win for HSU's Pool C chances.

Feel like they pretty much have to include HSU if Trinity/HSU/UMHB all win out. Even though D3 playoffs all comes down to money for the NCAA, I can't see them making UMHB/Trinity play each other again first round this year. Even less likely is the NCAA flying in TWO teams to play separate first round matchups against UMHB and Trinity, which is the way it should be. So, assuming the teams win out, HSU is all but guaranteed in as a Pool C for money reasons alone and gets a first-round matchup against Trinity. UMHB gets the benefit of the rule of not having first-round matchups include teams who played each other in the regular season [is that still a rule?] and a team other than HSU gets flown in for the first-round slaughter against UMHB.

Money does not dictate who gets in and who doesn't.  Full stop. 

Stop perpetuating this nonsense.

Respectfully, you won't be able to convince me that the NCAA takes money into consideration when placing teams in the bracket, but doesn't - even the slightest bit - in deciding what teams they give Pool C bids to.

[smedindy]

And in the WIAC-ky today, UW-Platteville 17, UW-Whitewater 13.
Nice win for HSU's Pool C chances.

Feel like they pretty much have to include HSU if Trinity/HSU/UMHB all win out. Even though D3 playoffs all comes down to money for the NCAA, I can't see them making UMHB/Trinity play each other again first round this year. Even less likely is the NCAA flying in TWO teams to play separate first round matchups against UMHB and Trinity, which is the way it should be. So, assuming the teams win out, HSU is all but guaranteed in as a Pool C for money reasons alone and gets a first-round matchup against Trinity. UMHB gets the benefit of the rule of not having first-round matchups include teams who played each other in the regular season [is that still a rule?] and a team other than HSU gets flown in for the first-round slaughter against UMHB.

Money does not dictate who gets in and who doesn't.  Full stop. 

Stop perpetuating this nonsense.

Respectfully, you won't be able to convince me that the NCAA takes money into consideration when placing teams in the bracket, but doesn't - even the slightest bit - in deciding what teams they give Pool C bids to.

I'd listen to Wally, he knows more about the selection process than most of the committee members. When the process is open as it is now, and as known as it is now, it's hard to sneak a 'money' team in there over a team with superior SOS and W/L vs. RR opponents.

[tigerguy]

Don't disagree with any of this. I just take issue with the hardline position that travel money doesn't, or couldn't, play a factor at all in Pool C bids - especially in close cases. Humans are making these decisions.

[smedindy]

Man, there are a lot of 2-loss teams that look OK for a "C" right now.

In Region 6: UW - LAX has a tough schedule in front of it - three opponents of quality and distinction. The UWRF - UWW game is an elimination game.

St. John's - Carleton is definitely an elimination game. If St. John's and Bethel face each other in the MIAC championship, I don't know if loser is out of the running. The WIAC knocking each other silly helps, and unless George Fox stuns everyone, the NWC won't have a viable C contender. CMS vs. P-P is an elimination game as well.

I think the top Region 5 slot is the winner of Wheaton vs. Wash U. A 2-loss Wheaton isn't out of it. If Monmouth beats Ripon, that could mean Ripon's in the C mix but they haven't played the tomato cans of the MWC yet and that'll hurt the SOS.

Region 4 may be all about the MIAA. A 2-loss John Carroll loses luster as W&J stumbles. Alma and Albion end the year playing the same teams, then each other. If Olivet or Adrian pip one of them the MIAA could be shut out too.

If Howard Payne doesn't shock the world, HSU will be in a familiar "C" position. A Bridgewater loss to W&L will eliminate them, I think. Bellhaven's SOS is miserable.

Region 2 could be fun: Utica seems to be in a great spot if they beat Morristown, who also have to play Brockport. A 2-loss Union is shaky, as is a two-loss Ithaca. I think someone mentioned the Cortaca jug could be an elimination game for Ithaca. JHU and Susquehanna loser has to feel decent - if Susquehanna can get past Muhlenberg. Salisbury - CNU is probably an elimination game.

I'd love to see a 9-1 Kings in the tourney. The SOS is decent now but will drop a bit the next two weeks. If Salve Regina beats Endicott, is Endicott a 1-loss C contender??

Contenders (in no order):

Bethel / St. Johns rematch loser
Wheaton / Wash U winner
UWW / UW-LAX / UW-RF depending on results upcoming (A 2-loss LAX is definitely in some sort of mix)
HSU
Alma / Albion loser
Utica
JHU / Susquehanna loser
King's
Ripon if they lose to Monmouth
Bridgewater if they beat W&L
John Carroll could sneak in if chaos ensues.


Those top 3 will all have 2-losses. But I bet at least 2 get in.

[Ralph Turner]

Contenders (in no order):

Bethel / St. Johns rematch loser
Wheaton / Wash U winner
UWW / UW-LAX / UW-RF depending on results upcoming (A 2-loss LAX is definitely in some sort of mix)
HSU


Alma / Albion loser
Utica
JHU / Susquehanna loser
King's
Ripon if they lose to Monmouth
Bridgewater if they beat W&L
John Carroll could sneak in if chaos ensues.

I like your top 4. It is #5 that is a real problem for me.
I can see a 1-loss Carnegie-Mellon if they lose to arch-rival CWRU as #5.

[smedindy]

I didn't think C-M would lose. You are right though. A one-loss C-M spells trouble for the bubble teams.

[Pat Coleman]

Don't disagree with any of this. I just take issue with the hardline position that travel money doesn't, or couldn't, play a factor at all in Pool C bids - especially in close cases. Humans are making these decisions.

Here's something to help you:

The committee cares about getting the best teams in.
The NCAA front office cares about the money.

The committee is in charge of which teams get in.
The NCAA, unfortunately, has the right to re-do bracketing.

[tigerguy]

Don't disagree with any of this. I just take issue with the hardline position that travel money doesn't, or couldn't, play a factor at all in Pool C bids - especially in close cases. Humans are making these decisions.

Here's something to help you:

The committee cares about getting the best teams in.
The NCAA front office cares about the money.

The committee is in charge of which teams get in.
The NCAA, unfortunately, has the right to re-do bracketing.

Touche.

[D3fanboy]

Hey Pat,

Is it still once regionally-ranked, you always count as an RRO?  or is it only the last few rankings and not the alphabetically list? I could have sworn that it was one way, but is now the other.  Thanks

[wally_wabash]

Hey Pat,

Is it still once regionally-ranked, you always count as an RRO?  or is it only the last few rankings and not the alphabetically list? I could have sworn that it was one way, but is now the other.  Thanks

Once ranked, always ranked hasn't been a thing for a while now.  Teams that count as RROs at the time of selection are teams that are ranked during the week of Week 11 and the teams that are ranked after Week 11 concludes.

[Pat Coleman]

Yes, what Greg said. So at selection time, it's teams who are in the Selection Sunday ranking, and the ones who were in the post-Week 10 ranking that qualify as RRO.

[D3fanboy]

thanks dudes, looks like those final RR #7 spots are going to be very valuable for some higher ranked squads