Pool C 2022

[Ron Boerger]

I know VOLLEYBALL came out last week. At least D-2, because we got the ol' alpha order ranking (CWU has a great volleyball program that plays in a meat-grinder conference). But I guess volleyball's a week ahead or they get an additional set?

I dunno, man. Just give us rankings, NCAA. And not the alphabetical ones. Do that for weeks 1-7. By week 8 they should be able to rank 'em.

VB playoffs start in two weeks (Nov 10-12) and selections will be made after conference tournaments conclude this weekend.

As much as I hate the alpha rankings, if record vs RRO is a factor (and we all know it is) you can't have an initial ordered ranking unless you say it ignores that factor which would lead to some very strange situations the following week.   I guess they could start with an initial unpublished alpha ranking a week before the ranked ones come out (then publish the alpha ranking the same time as the first ordered ranking). 

[crufootball]

I know VOLLEYBALL came out last week. At least D-2, because we got the ol' alpha order ranking (CWU has a great volleyball program that plays in a meat-grinder conference). But I guess volleyball's a week ahead or they get an additional set?

I dunno, man. Just give us rankings, NCAA. And not the alphabetical ones. Do that for weeks 1-7. By week 8 they should be able to rank 'em.

VB playoffs start in two weeks (Nov 10-12) and selections will be made after conference tournaments conclude this weekend.

As much as I hate the alpha rankings, if record vs RRO is a factor (and we all know it is) you can't have an initial ordered ranking unless you say it ignores that factor which would lead to some very strange situations the following week.   I guess they could start with an initial unpublished alpha ranking a week before the ranked ones come out (then publish the alpha ranking the same time as the first ordered ranking).

YES, I can buy that enough of the ranking is impacted by lack of RRO for the first week but the alpha "rankings" never need to be seen by the public. We get such little data that this first week is like getting an apple for Halloween. I thought I had heard that the regional committees have typically been doing mock rankings for a week or two at this point so why not just make the last mock ranking the alpha list and then start the actual rankings this week.

[tigerguy]

Regional Rankings are live:

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings

[d-train]

Refreshingly easy to find a team with the alpha order!

[Pat Coleman]

Actual regional rankings out:
https://d3football.com/playoffs/2022/second-regional-ranking

[D3fanboy]

weird way for Region 3 to get 8 teams ranked

I am shocked...shocked! that Region 3 would be the only region to have a "tie"

[Inkblot]

Will the real #7 team please stand up?

[bleedpurple]

I've given this no thought and done no research.  But my pool C guess is:

UW-La Crosse
Bethel/St. John's loser
Hardin Simmons
Johns Hopkins
Wheaton

[smedindy]

I see these teams on the board and under serious contention at some point:This all depending they don't lose (well, except Albion and Bethel or St. John's)

King's
JHU
Utica
HSU
Albion (if they lose to Alma)
JCU
Wheaton
Ripon
Bethel / St. John's Loser
UW - LAX

So it's 9 or 10 teams for five spots, unless there's anarchy.

Sorry BSU fans, their low regional ranking at this time means Hardin Simmons and Bridgewater will be on the board before BSU. I can only see them advancing above Bridgewater if the Eagles lose to Guilford.

I don't see Alma, Bellhaven, or Bridgewater making any case.

[Cowboy2]

weird way for Region 3 to get 8 teams ranked

I am shocked...shocked! that Region 3 would be the only region to have a "tie"

It's a deep region. 

[Cowboy2]

weird way for Region 3 to get 8 teams ranked

I am shocked...shocked! that Region 3 would be the only region to have a "tie"

It's a deep region. 

And to be honest, BSC would probably spank most 4-7 RR teams in a handful of the other regions. Outside of getting toasted on the road last year to UMHB, remind you everyone else did as well, BSC has lost 3 other games the past two seasons; Two to Trinity on the last 10 seconds of each game by a total of 4 points. And 1 to Huntingdon, by 3 points.

Belhaven lost by a score maybe two to Huntingdon as well.

I think they're both deserving, maybe not as much as other teams, but what does it matter? Both will probably get left out. Everyone in the boards are freaking out. I don't think HSU has one of the top pool c resumes, but heck if they get in, in HSU UMHB or Trinity will be facing each other for 2 rounds. Woof!

[USee]

If you want to know who is on the Regional Committees to set the order:

Region I:
Gregg Kaye, chair Commonwealth Coast Football Commonwealth Coast Football
Michael Lichten, University of New England Commonwealth Coast Football
Carey Eggen, Framingham State Massachusetts State Collegiate Athletic Conference
Mike Cerasuolo, Springfield College New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference
John Davis, Misericordia Middle Atlantic Conference
Scott Lin, Alfred State Eastern Collegiate Football Conference

Region II:
Blaise Faggiano, chair Utica Empire 8
Curt Fitzpatrick Morrisville State Empire 8
Kevin DeWall Hobart Liberty League
Amanda DeMartino The College of New Jersey New Jersey Athletic Conference
Brad Fordyce Dickinson Centennial Conference
Geno Demarco Geneva Presidents' Athletic Conference

Region III:
J.J. Nekoloff, chair Old Dominion Athletic Conference Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Hunter Sims Howard Payne American Southwest Conference
Scott Yoder Shenandoah Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Jerheme Urban Trinity Southern Athletic Association
Jeff Filkovski North Carolina Wesleyan USA South Athletic Conference

Region IV:
John Snell, chair Baldwin Wallace Ohio Athletic Conference
Matthew Theobald Hanover Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Jason Couch Alma Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Matt Tanney Wabash North Coast Athletic Conference
Scott Donaldson Heidelberg Ohio Athletic Conference

Region V:
Matt Jeter, chair Simpson American Rivers Conference
Jeff McMartin Central American Rivers Conference
Jesse Scott Wheaton College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
Ben Cooprider Grinnell Midwest Conference
Jim Hamad Aurora Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference

Region VI:
Matt Moore, chair Northwestern-St. Paul
Nick Winecke Saint Mary's Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Keith Buckley Pacific University Northwest Conference
Chris Krich La Verne Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Robbie Schomaker Greenville Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
Wesley Beschorner Wisconsin-Eau Claire Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

The National Committee is made up of the chair of each of the regions with JJ Nekoloff from Region III set as the National Chair.

[D3fanboy]

If you want to know who is on the Regional Committees to set the order:


Region III:
J.J. Nekoloff, chair Old Dominion Athletic Conference Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Hunter Sims Howard Payne American Southwest Conference
Scott Yoder Shenandoah Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Jerheme Urban Trinity Southern Athletic Association
Jeff Filkovski North Carolina Wesleyan USA South Athletic Conference


The National Committee is made up of the chair of each of the regions with JJ Nekoloff from Region III set as the National Chair.

lol....just couldn't quite figure out how to break the 7th place tie

[hazzben]

weird way for Region 3 to get 8 teams ranked

I am shocked...shocked! that Region 3 would be the only region to have a "tie"

It's a deep region. 

And to be honest, BSC would probably spank most 4-7 RR teams in a handful of the other regions. Outside of getting toasted on the road last year to UMHB, remind you everyone else did as well, BSC has lost 3 other games the past two seasons; Two to Trinity on the last 10 seconds of each game by a total of 4 points. And 1 to Huntingdon, by 3 points.

Checks notes ... the Region 6 #4 team beat UMHB on the road  BSC might make the top 10 in the region. 

I'd love to hear from Pat or Wally on what they expect the National Committee to do here. Either the number is a solid 7, or other deep regions should be ranking down to 8 as well. How does this affect RRO given the extra slot? Does the National Committee have the power to tell Region 3 to cut it down to 7 or if you really can't break the tie, we'll just consider your top 6?

We've seen regions play with the criteria to help a Pool C candidate, etc. But this looks like a pretty bullish, to hell with what the rules say, we are ranking 8 and making our own rules kinda move.

[hazzben]

If you want to know who is on the Regional Committees to set the order:

Region VI:
Nick Winecke Saint Mary's Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference


The National Committee is made up of the chair of each of the regions with JJ Nekoloff from Region III set as the National Chair.

Is this a typo, or are there actually reps on these committees from schools that don't have football teams?? Why on earth would a school that doesn't play football have any say in this process?