2022 Season Game Notes

[northman]

I guess I need to try and watch a U Chicago game online.  Some of the previous commentary seems to thrust them into the stratosphere of an upper tier Premier League side...   

[camosfan]

Well, this year they are basically neck and neck but UAA has the slight RPI edge.  So, by one objective measure, UAA is the stronger conference.     Trinity drops the NESCAC into 2nd.  Take them out and NESCAC is stronger on average

Who in the UAA can beat Chicago and it would not be a big surprise?

[northman]

Lent-Koop was also voted First Team All American by United Soccer Coaches last year. The two Chicago center backs in questions didn't receive a mention for 1st, 2nd or 3rd team. Also, Massey has Messiah's SOS as significantly higher than Chicago's.

I haven't watched Chicago much but Lent-Koop is more than a pure defender, he pings the ball around like Van Dyck and is often the second-fastest guy on the field (after MacDonald). He's a lot more than a big, athletic guy winning headers and playing square passes.

And while we're at it, as a Liverpool fan (currently feeling some pain and discomfort), I need to clarify that Virgil's last name is spelled Van Dijk...

[MessageBoardMessi]

MBM, if you are truly unfamiliar with the strength of Chicago's conference we can safely return to referring to you as a troll.

And no, your analogy and explanation did not help.  Btw, Guilford has a bunch of kids 6'2 and above, so there's that.

And if you cannot process that analogy outside of a literal review of guilfords roster - I may have to re asses the level of intellect I am dealing with on this Board.

This was metaphorical?

Guilford really shouldn't be better, nor will they be.  Their entire athletic program struggles, and have never been seen as legitimate in the region. Why would you think they would be better? Their location?  There is nothing attractive about that program, or special about the location.....and they typically attract the players that are short or without options

I'm sure it's me.  You can move on to more intelligent posters.

I'm pretty sure it is. You clearly don't get it. I will only comment on your posts in the future to tell you that you smart, and know all there is. That seems to be what you are needing. I enjoy discussions, not gaslighting. 

You are the man!  Thanks for all your Wisdom!

[paclassic89]

Well, this year they are basically neck and neck but UAA has the slight RPI edge.  So, by one objective measure, UAA is the stronger conference.     Trinity drops the NESCAC into 2nd.  Take them out and NESCAC is stronger on average

Who in the UAA can beat Chicago and it would not be a big surprise?

No clue. 

[camosfan]

So how are you going to conclude that the conference is stronger than NESCAC?

[PaulNewman]

So how are you going to conclude that the conference is stronger than NESCAC?

NOBODY has made the claim that UAA is better than NESCAC.  Virtually everyone considers NESCAC #1 and UAA #1A or #2.  It would not be a shock for any UAA to beat Chicago and if this is what you are after, Chicago almost certainly would not mow through the NESCAC unblemished.  Where would you rank Chicago right now?

SC, PLEASE post some game notes!  PLEASE.

[MessageBoardMessi]

So how are you going to conclude that the conference is stronger than NESCAC?

NOBODY has made the claim that UAA is better than NESCAC.  Virtually everyone considers NESCAC #1 and UAA #1A or #2.  It would not be a shock for any UAA to beat Chicago and if this is what you are after, Chicago almost certainly would not mow through the NESCAC unblemished.  Where would you rank Chicago right now?

SC, PLEASE post some game notes!  PLEASE.

Probably not smart to keep after PN on this - he clearly exists to be a Chicago troll, and a fanboy of their Conference. 

[MessageBoardMessi]

So how are you going to conclude that the conference is stronger than NESCAC?

NOBODY has made the claim that UAA is better than NESCAC.  Virtually everyone considers NESCAC #1 and UAA #1A or #2.  It would not be a shock for any UAA to beat Chicago and if this is what you are after, Chicago almost certainly would not mow through the NESCAC unblemished.  Where would you rank Chicago right now?

SC, PLEASE post some game notes!  PLEASE.

Actually, I'd love to hear his thoughts on how he can make sense of 1 goal wins against Wheaton, Depaw, Luther, Carthage who Messiah smacked, Rochester who lost to Alvernia...... maybe he could quote D3 soccer's opinion on it all.


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[D3SoccerTalker]

NESCAC/UAA are two totally different/almost equally exciting conferences. The typical playing style of the NESCAC schools lends itself to closer games as lower end teams do not have a problem with booting the ball down the field and staying compact in order to keep games competitive with the upper end teams. Likewise, schools such as Carnegie Mellon are going to have years in which they severely struggle in the UAA based on the fact that they will try and possess and go toe-to-toe with teams that are more talented than themselves.

Overall, fun games, good teams.

[Maine Soccer Fan]

Lent-Koop was also voted First Team All American by United Soccer Coaches last year. The two Chicago center backs in questions didn't receive a mention for 1st, 2nd or 3rd team. Also, Massey has Messiah's SOS as significantly higher than Chicago's.

I haven't watched Chicago much but Lent-Koop is more than a pure defender, he pings the ball around like Van Dyck and is often the second-fastest guy on the field (after MacDonald). He's a lot more than a big, athletic guy winning headers and playing square passes.

And while we're at it, as a Liverpool fan (currently feeling some pain and discomfort), I need to clarify that Virgil's last name is spelled Van Dijk...

What's worse is I spent two years pronouncing it Van Dick, much to my two sons' embarrassment.

The comparison to Virgil stems from Lent-Koop's ability to hit cross field balls with his left foot to kickstart attacks.

[PaulNewman]

Btw, Messiah would not go through the NESCAC unblemished either.  That has no necessary correlation with whether Chicago and Messiah (in either order) are the two best teams in the country.

[northman]

Lent-Koop was also voted First Team All American by United Soccer Coaches last year. The two Chicago center backs in questions didn't receive a mention for 1st, 2nd or 3rd team. Also, Massey has Messiah's SOS as significantly higher than Chicago's.

I haven't watched Chicago much but Lent-Koop is more than a pure defender, he pings the ball around like Van Dyck and is often the second-fastest guy on the field (after MacDonald). He's a lot more than a big, athletic guy winning headers and playing square passes.

And while we're at it, as a Liverpool fan (currently feeling some pain and discomfort), I need to clarify that Virgil's last name is spelled Van Dijk...

What's worse is I spent two years pronouncing it Van Dick, much to my two sons' embarrassment.

The comparison to Virgil stems from Lent-Koop's ability to hit cross field balls with his left foot to kickstart attacks.

I love that!  How old are your sons?  It's amusing to contemplate their embarrassment.  VVD has had an uncharacteristically uneven season thus far.  He did not perform well during the first part of the Premier League and Champions League season, came alive for Man City and West Ham, and then didn't distinguish himself in Liverpool's pathetic loss to bottom dweller Nottingham Forest.  Nonetheless, he's still likely a tad better than U Chicago's or Messiah's center backs...  :-)

[D3SoccerTalker]

Btw, Messiah would not go through the NESCAC unblemished either.  That has no necessary correlation with whether Chicago and Messiah (in either order) are the two best teams in the country.

Last time such a feat was accomplished, 2005 Williams

[camosfan]

Btw, Messiah would not go through the NESCAC unblemished either.  That has no necessary correlation with whether Chicago and Messiah (in either order) are the two best teams in the country.

Last time such a feat was accomplished, 2005 Williams

Tufts beat Messiah 2014!