Schools that Should Be Better

[midwest]

Re Salisbury, which was discussed a few pages ago -- it's a soccer recruiting problem there, not a sports recruiting problem generally. Salisbury Men's Lacrosse is an elite national program, with 9 Men's Lax national championships since 2000, and was the runner-up 6 additional times in the same period. The school presumably has no problem attracting the players it wants in lax.

[Ejay]

Re Salisbury, which was discussed a few pages ago -- it's a soccer recruiting problem there, not a sports recruiting problem generally. Salisbury Men's Lacrosse is an elite national program, with 9 Men's Lax national championships since 2000, and was the runner-up 6 additional times in the same period. The school presumably has no problem attracting the players it wants in lax.

And Baseball won the National Championship in 2021 and were runners up last year.
And Basketball was in the Tournament 4 of the last 6 years
And Football was in the Tournament 6 of last 12 years

Soccer has been in the tournament 13 out of 17 years between '99-'15. But then Coach DiBartolo left and the program hasn't been the same since:
2016   Alex Hargrove   7-8-1
2017   Alex Hargrove   8-9-3   
2018   Alex Hargrove   11-4-3   
2019   Alex Hargrove   9-9-1   
2020   Scott Buete   0-0
2021   Scott Buete   7-8-1

[PaulNewman]

Re Salisbury, which was discussed a few pages ago -- it's a soccer recruiting problem there, not a sports recruiting problem generally. Salisbury Men's Lacrosse is an elite national program, with 9 Men's Lax national championships since 2000, and was the runner-up 6 additional times in the same period. The school presumably has no problem attracting the players it wants in lax.

I don't know what this means in terms of this small world some of us here inhabit, but I had no clue Salisbury has won a bunch of national titles in lacrosse...or even one until seeing this.

This thread also made me look up the new Trinity (CT) coach.  In his first year so hasn't had time to do his own recruiting but looks like an extremely impressive guy.

[College Soccer Observer]

Exclusive prep schools have become great places to develop as a soccer player. These are the feeder schools to exclusive colleges. For fun I try to find a kid on a NESCAC roster who didn't go to a prep school, it isn't easy. I'm guessing 75% are from exclusive prep schools.

My wife went to a NESCAC school, she said for the first three weeks everyone asked each other, "Where did you go to school." A public high school wasn't the expected answer...

Middlebury has a large majority of its roster who did not attend New England Prep schools. 
If you take their normal starting lineup:
Deerfield IL HS
New Trier HS (IL)
Suffield HS (CT)
U New Hampshire (transfer)
Durham Academy (NC)
Seton Hall Prep (NJ--Catholic School)
South Kent School (CT--Prep school)
England
Niles North HS (IL)
Bullis School (MD--private school)
Sacred Heart Prep (CA--Catholic School)

Half of those listed above are prep schools. Two have it in their name. Who's limiting the conversation to New England prep schools?

As someone who attended Seton Hall Prep, I can tell you it is not an exclusive prep school, despite the name.  I assume that prep schools include NEPSAC teams or boarding schools or both.  If I am wrong, my apologies.

[SierraFD3soccer]

Re Salisbury, which was discussed a few pages ago -- it's a soccer recruiting problem there, not a sports recruiting problem generally. Salisbury Men's Lacrosse is an elite national program, with 9 Men's Lax national championships since 2000, and was the runner-up 6 additional times in the same period. The school presumably has no problem attracting the players it wants in lax.

I don't know what this means in terms of this small world some of us here inhabit, but I had no clue Salisbury has won a bunch of national titles in lacrosse...or even one until seeing this.

This thread also made me look up the new Trinity (CT) coach.  In his first year so hasn't had time to do his own recruiting but looks like an extremely impressive guy.

Womens and Mens lacrosse.  Been a powerhouse for many years.  Being in Maryland you can't miss it.  https://suseagulls.com/sports/2022/7/27/mens-lacrosse-program-highlights.aspx

[OldNed]

Exclusive prep schools have become great places to develop as a soccer player. These are the feeder schools to exclusive colleges. For fun I try to find a kid on a NESCAC roster who didn't go to a prep school, it isn't easy. I'm guessing 75% are from exclusive prep schools.

My wife went to a NESCAC school, she said for the first three weeks everyone asked each other, "Where did you go to school." A public high school wasn't the expected answer...

Middlebury has a large majority of its roster who did not attend New England Prep schools. 
If you take their normal starting lineup:
Deerfield IL HS
New Trier HS (IL)
Suffield HS (CT)
U New Hampshire (transfer)
Durham Academy (NC)
Seton Hall Prep (NJ--Catholic School)
South Kent School (CT--Prep school)
England
Niles North HS (IL)
Bullis School (MD--private school)
Sacred Heart Prep (CA--Catholic School)

Half of those listed above are prep schools. Two have it in their name. Who's limiting the conversation to New England prep schools?

As someone who attended Seton Hall Prep, I can tell you it is not an exclusive prep school, despite the name.  I assume that prep schools include NEPSAC teams or boarding schools or both.  If I am wrong, my apologies.

I went to a similar school, St. John's Prep in Massachusetts and despite the Prep in the name it's no longer an exclusive Prep school in the vein of a Loomis or Phillips Andover.  So schools with a "Prep" in there name aren't necessarily considered exclusive prep schools.  And now enough of this prep school talk, please. 

Somebody a few pages back mentioned ECSU as a possible team that should be better and as a current CT resident I have to agree with that.  Lots of soccer talent in CT but a lot of it goes elsewhere for college, but I think ECSU has an opportunity to improve it's brand within the state and New England. Some folks have mentioned coaching being an issue with some teams trailing off, and I suspect that coaching/recruiting may be an issue for ECSU.

[Hopkins92]

FFS, can we take the prep school/NESCAC conversation to its own thread already? WTF???

Ha!

[Coach Jeff]

Simple Coach,  Schools to look at that I suggest are the PAC schools.  They never seem to have the same schools appearing in the NCCA ABid.

21 Bethany
19 W&J
18 Westminster
17 Thomas Moore
16 Geneva
15 Westminster

Not since Thomas Moore left the conference for NAIA has any school been a regular participant in the NCAA's.  My question would be is the conference that strong and with lots of equality or is their players transferring, new coaches, etc. 

This Grove City is 10-0 in the conference.

Any thoughts for the board?

[WUPHF]

I was just looking at the SLIAC schools.  Webster is the best at 12-2-3, but they are still ranked 185 by Massey. 

The regional Division II and NAIA programs often do well with a mixture of Kansas City, St. Louis and international players. The St. Louis region is a soccer hotbed with three Universities that have won national championships.

I am a little surprised that one of the SLIAC teams has not taken their soccer program to the next level.

[Hopkins92]

Just in terms of the project at hand, that's another good way for SC to try and approach this. Where are the traditional soccer hotbeds and then lay the D3 map on top of that. We've kind of gone through a few of the MD schools. Someone else did a little bit on VA... PA is pretty well covered with all the Fords, Muhles and Swat talk.

Jersey and NJAC? MI is certainly a hotbed... I don't have a great handle on the D3 scene up there.

[Ejay]

How does one recruit to Camden,NJ? The 2013 team had a couple transfers from Rutgers did they not?

I have a kid at Camden and went to the Rowan game this season, I could not believe the obvious disparity in spending between the two state institutions.

Curious how your kid ended up at Camden? What other options did he consider, and ultimately what convinced him Camden was the right fit? Is it working out as he'd hoped?

[camosfan]

How does one recruit to Camden,NJ? The 2013 team had a couple transfers from Rutgers did they not?

I have a kid at Camden and went to the Rowan game this season, I could not believe the obvious disparity in spending between the two state institutions.

Curious how your kid ended up at Camden? What other options did he consider, and ultimately what convinced him Camden was the right fit? Is it working out as he'd hoped?

He is in Law school and had a year of eligibility remaining, got into some better schools but wanted to play since he did not see much action at D1, he is enjoying the game part so far. I think he could play again next year but wont.

[Ejay]

How does one recruit to Camden,NJ? The 2013 team had a couple transfers from Rutgers did they not?

I have a kid at Camden and went to the Rowan game this season, I could not believe the obvious disparity in spending between the two state institutions.

Curious how your kid ended up at Camden? What other options did he consider, and ultimately what convinced him Camden was the right fit? Is it working out as he'd hoped?

He is in Law school and had a year of eligibility remaining, got into some better schools but wanted to play since he did not see much action at D1, he is enjoying the game part so far. I think he could play again next year but wont.

Impressive! Combining Law School with soccer can't be an easy feat. Glad it's working out and that he's having a good experience!

[SimpleCoach]

How does one recruit to Camden,NJ? The 2013 team had a couple transfers from Rutgers did they not?

I could not believe the obvious disparity in spending between the two state institutions.

Rowan received a $500 Million gift that has led to a lot of what Rowan is now able to do.  Think at the time it was the single largest gift to a University.... hence they name change to Rowan from Glassboro State University.

[camosfan]

How does one recruit to Camden,NJ? The 2013 team had a couple transfers from Rutgers did they not?

I could not believe the obvious disparity in spending between the two state institutions.

Rowan received a $500 Million gift that has led to a lot of what Rowan is now able to do.  Think at the time it was the single largest gift to a University.... hence they name change to Rowan from Glassboro State University.

Thanks! really impressive facilities.