2023 D3 Men's Soccer National Perspective

[d3ma]

If someone emails to Massey through the contact us (or whatever the name of the sytem is called) and links them to the result of the game on the college website, they should fix any result. I remember a couple years back I emailed and they fixed a result in a quick time frame.

[SKUD]

Enjoy the boards, but too busy with work and watching soccer.  Regards till December . Good luck to all!

[PaulNewman]

RE:  Failures of some perennially strong programs to win national titles...

A little perspective...

Since 2002, the past 20 seasons, THIS is the reality...Messiah has won 10, NESCAC (Middlebury, Tufts, Amherst, Conn Coll) has won 7 (with Tufts winning an amazing 4 in 6 years and 3 out of 4 years), and THE FIELD has 3.

The only non-Messiah, non-NESCAC winners in a full 20 seasons are Trinity (TX) way, way back in 2003, OWU in 2011, and Chicago in 2022.

Now consider that the most decorated and winningest coach in D3 history, in 46 years, Jay Martin, has won 2.

The great Mike Russo with all the stacked Williams teams over many years won a total of 1.

The great Paul McGinlay at Trinity (TX) has 1.

Durocher at SLU won 1. 

Joe Bean at Wheaton (Ill) won 2.

Skip Roderick at Etown won 1.

Mike Coven at Brandeis won 1 (way, way back in 1976).

Bottom line...it's ridiculously hard.  And statistically unlikely for THE FIELD.

Imo, the most overdue, just considering the past decade or so......

Calvin by a mile, Oneonta St and maybe Montclair St, then Kenyon, next North Park, W&L, and Hopkins, followed closely by F&M and probably Rochester.  I may be missing one or two and of course some may quibble with the order here.

[calvin_grad]

Calvin by a mile, Oneonta St and maybe Montclair St, then Kenyon, next North Park, W&L, and Hopkins, followed closely by F&M and probably Rochester.  I may be missing one or two and of course some may quibble with the order here.

[PaulNewman]

Calvin by a mile, Oneonta St and maybe Montclair St, then Kenyon, next North Park, W&L, and Hopkins, followed closely by F&M and probably Rochester.  I may be missing one or two and of course some may quibble with the order here.

I get it, but no tears for Calvin, and I trust you know I was complimenting your Knights. Outside of Tufts, Messiah, and maybe Chicago and Amherst, no one has had more sustained success with so many Final Fours and title games.

[Gregory Sager]

Calvin by a mile, Oneonta St and maybe Montclair St, then Kenyon, next North Park, W&L, and Hopkins, followed closely by F&M and probably Rochester.  I may be missing one or two and of course some may quibble with the order here.

Hey, would you rather be the program that is the perpetual national bridesmaid, or would you rather be Olivet?

[PaulNewman]

I get the "can't win the big win" mantra and its cousin the constant culture war cry about "participation trophies" especially in the era of sports radio and ESPN obsession with GOATS, but imo almost all of that is nonsense....and a real disservice to programs like Calvin.  You have to be a winner at the highest levels to be in a position to grab a title so often.  To me its analogous to ranking Magic Johnson and Larry Bird at like #5 or #8 all-time as though they somehow fell short and/or were flawed.

Freebie for Enmorecat....are Rod Laver and John Newcombe less great because of Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer 50 years later? Not a perfect analogy but Enmorecat needs something to do given the ppd status of Amh at the Jumbotron.

[SierraFD3soccer]

Calvin by a mile, Oneonta St and maybe Montclair St, then Kenyon, next North Park, W&L, and Hopkins, followed closely by F&M and probably Rochester.  I may be missing one or two and of course some may quibble with the order here.

Hey, would you rather be the program that is the perpetual national bridesmaid, or would you rather be Olivet?

My opinion - just to be in the conversation incredibly complimentary. As to bridesmaid, I would definitely want to be that as you are in the mix as opposed to a has been. Think Hartwick. Kids have short memory spans. Being close, can inspire kids to come to your program.

[PaulNewman]

And @calvin_grad....just noticed that you have an outstanding post/+karma ratio.

Now, be truthful... does Chris Schau have bottomless eligibility?

And how are folks enjoying the refurbished facility?

[SierraFD3soccer]

Got to be in it to win it!

[Gregory Sager]

[EnmoreCat]

I get the "can't win the big win" mantra and its cousin the constant culture war cry about "participation trophies" especially in the era of sports radio and ESPN obsession with GOATS, but imo almost all of that is nonsense....and a real disservice to programs like Calvin.  You have to be a winner at the highest levels to be in a position to grab a title so often.  To me its analogous to ranking Magic Johnson and Larry Bird at like #5 or #8 all-time as though they somehow fell short and/or were flawed.

Freebie for Enmorecat....are Rod Laver and John Newcombe less great because of Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer 50 years later? Not a perfect analogy but Enmorecat needs something to do given the ppd status of Amh at the Jumbotron.

I had to google "PPD" and came up with Post Partum Depression, Paul Newman, I am gonna have to come back to you on that one I think.  As for the tennis, you can only beat who is playing at the time.  My family's background also means I would be throwing Vitas Gerulaitis into the mix.  My best guess is that he along with Guillermo Vilas, might not have had the games to break down the modern superstars you mention, but equally I don't expect they would compromise their own game to do so.

Amherst/Tufts shifted to Sunday, apparently a hurricane might be coming to Boston...

[jknezek]

I get the "can't win the big win" mantra and its cousin the constant culture war cry about "participation trophies" especially in the era of sports radio and ESPN obsession with GOATS, but imo almost all of that is nonsense....and a real disservice to programs like Calvin.  You have to be a winner at the highest levels to be in a position to grab a title so often.  To me its analogous to ranking Magic Johnson and Larry Bird at like #5 or #8 all-time as though they somehow fell short and/or were flawed.

Freebie for Enmorecat....are Rod Laver and John Newcombe less great because of Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer 50 years later? Not a perfect analogy but Enmorecat needs something to do given the ppd status of Amh at the Jumbotron.

I had to google "PPD" and came up with Post Partum Depression, Paul Newman, I am gonna have to come back to you on that one I think.  As for the tennis, you can only beat who is playing at the time.  My family's background also means I would be throwing Vitas Gerulaitis into the mix.  My best guess is that he along with Guillermo Vilas, might not have had the games to break down the modern superstars you mention, but equally I don't expect they would compromise their own game to do so.

Amherst/Tufts shifted to Sunday, apparently a hurricane might be coming to Boston...

PPD = postponed

[EnmoreCat]

Thanks Jknezek - I was never getting that!

[PaulNewman]

EnmoreCat...I absolutely loved Vilas...one of my heros, probably a bit because I'm also a lefty...but mainly loved his game and demeanor...a nice break from Borg's schizoidal style, McEnroe's antics (speaking of antics), the dour Lendl, and the buttoned up Stan Smith.  Of course Arthur Ashe was my first tennis hero and a few years ahead of the others.  Vitas was good but I can't put him at that very top level...maybe a small notch above a Roscoe Tanner.

You disappointed me on ppd...but yes, post-partum depression is no joke and one of the leading causes of infanticide among women and often accompanied by psychosis.