2023 D3 Men's Soccer National Perspective

[stlawus]

Every time I watch the last 15 minutes of that game it gets more bizarre.   I'm obsessed with trying to figure out what was going on with the guy in the press box yelling at whoever.  Seems like it was maybe the AD yelling at a player.  The commentator was talking at the same time but sounded like he was yelling at a kid for cursing at the TLU players from the sidelines. "I heard you cursing at them" or something similar.    Would seem odd for an AD to yank a player from the sidelines and make him sit in the press box.

[SierraFD3soccer]

Maybe Oberlin scheduled the game several years ago thinking that he'll have built up his program enough.

As to bragging rights, lower level D1 coaches definitely use these recruiting for the American players. However, they have a chance to win in some cases. My son's D1 team upset two very good D1 programs and only lost 2-1 to UVA (Daryl Deke's sophomore and last  year). Also for that lower level D1 player, you have the possibility of playing really well, you can move up the food chain.

However, Oberlin is so far down the food chain compared to ND. I hope they do well, but I really don't see the purpose.

[PaulNewman]

Every time I watch the last 15 minutes of that game it gets more bizarre.   I'm obsessed with trying to figure out what was going on with the guy in the press box yelling at whoever.  Seems like it was maybe the AD yelling at a player.  The commentator was talking at the same time but sounded like he was yelling at a kid for cursing at the TLU players from the sidelines. "I heard you cursing at them" or something similar.    Would seem odd for an AD to yank a player from the sidelines and make him sit in the press box.

The commentator, who generally seems to have gotten a free pass here, said the nasty challenge was a good, clean play when it happened live....and even after the long stoppage, players from both teams looking upset about the injury, and the player being taken off the hospital, the announcer as play was resuming questioned why there was a card and especially a red card at all suggesting he still did not know how or why a foul was called.

Meanwhile, I'm most obsessed with the camera guy.  I think Kuiper suggested the camera guy got red-carded but I don't know if that was serious or not.  And secondly, I'd like to know exactly what the two coaches were thinking and how they lost control regardless of the performance of the referee.

[Kuiper]

Every time I watch the last 15 minutes of that game it gets more bizarre.   I'm obsessed with trying to figure out what was going on with the guy in the press box yelling at whoever.  Seems like it was maybe the AD yelling at a player.  The commentator was talking at the same time but sounded like he was yelling at a kid for cursing at the TLU players from the sidelines. "I heard you cursing at them" or something similar.    Would seem odd for an AD to yank a player from the sidelines and make him sit in the press box.

The commentator, who generally seems to have gotten a free pass here, said the nasty challenge was a good, clean play when it happened live....and even after the long stoppage, players from both teams looking upset about the injury, and the player being taken off the hospital, the announcer as play was resuming questioned why there was a card and especially a red card at all suggesting he still did not know how or why a foul was called.

Meanwhile, I'm most obsessed with the camera guy.  I think Kuiper suggested the camera guy got red-carded but I don't know if that was serious or not.  And secondly, I'd like to know exactly what the two coaches were thinking and how they lost control regardless of the performance of the referee.

I was joking about the red card for the camera guy, but now that I think about, maybe it was a UST student and the person someone was yelling at in the press box was the camera operator and he actually did have to leave?  That would close the loop on a couple of things.  At this point, I wouldn't be shocked if there was a brawl in the stands and the camera guy joined in.

[stlawus]

But the guy yelling also threatened him with not playing the rest of the year, which would seem to indicate it was an athlete.  Who knows, I just wish you could hear the kid yelling back at him for added drama.

[PaulNewman]

Maybe Oberlin scheduled the game several years ago thinking that he'll have built up his program enough.

As to bragging rights, lower level D1 coaches definitely use these recruiting for the American players. However, they have a chance to win in some cases. My son's D1 team upset two very good D1 programs and only lost 2-1 to UVA (Daryl Deke's sophomore and last  year). Also for that lower level D1 player, you have the possibility of playing really well, you can move up the food chain.

However, Oberlin is so far down the food chain compared to ND. I hope they do well, but I really don't see the purpose.

The Oberlin coach is a good guy (yet another former GK!) who has been there 20 years or so.  There's no way he thought the program was on a trajectory to start playing any D1, much less nationally ranked D1s. Just look at the rest of the non-conference schedule (Chatham, Defiance, Baldwin-Wallace, etc).  He's got his hands full just trying to get mid-table every few years in the NCAC.  And as noted already, Oberlin isn't the type of D3 that recruits based on targeting prospects on the border of high end D3 vs lower level D1.  All that said, I'm sure they'll have a great time and something to tell the grandkids.

[WUPHF]

The head coach at Notre Dame also coached at Oberlin. I have no idea, but I have to think that the majority of coaches would gladly agree to that game.

[Gregory Sager]

Institutional connections among coaches explain a high percentage of D1/D3 pairings in several sports.

[PaulNewman]

Trap games for F&M and/or St Olaf tonight?

[SierraFD3soccer]

Trap games for F&M and/or St Olaf tonight?

Maybe so as to F&M, but LBC  played F&M very, very closely last year to 0-0 tie, plus LBC just tied LVC last week and LBC was out playing LVC until the very end.

[SierraFD3soccer]

So when you all talk about D3 home field announcers, they apparently are pretty tame compared Italy's Serie A television show when Public scored late.  https://twitter.com/jakub_balicki1/status/1710783926610829450?t=CgLngEkS_lMbEw-HSibMmw&s=19

[Freddyfud]

So when you all talk about D3 home field announcers, they apparently are pretty tame compared Italy's Serie A television show when Public scored late.  https://twitter.com/jakub_balicki1/status/1710783926610829450?t=CgLngEkS_lMbEw-HSibMmw&s=19

That is hilarious, thanks for sharing.  Just surprised there was no counter about a handball.  We know Italians are passionate about football. A good friend of mine is second generation from Naples tells me there is a contempt of northern Italian teams such as Juve and the Milans as they feel the North treats the South as second class citizens.  (Well at least according to his Napoli faithful father who is first generation.) Which makes me wonder if there could be similar feelings among any of the D3 ranks.  Are there any team or even conference rivalries based on a similar perception of class?  I don't want to flame a riot on this board but curious about some of the reasons for rivalries outside of the expected intraconference ones.

[Ejay]

The Italian announcers certainly have a way about them, like this gem when Michael Bradley scored for Roma.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjY3l4RjLN4

[northman]

The ref gave a red card to the UST defender for the foul (leaving them down 10 men to 8) and awarded TLU a pk.

How was that not double jeopardy?  Did he not make a play on the ball?  Or given everything else in the game maybe a second yellow?

Sounds like the game was nuts.  Hope no one was hurt.

This was a leaping two footed lunge from several yards away where the defender directly impacted the player's leg.  It may have been the worst tackle I have ever seen.  Looking at the reactions of the players on both teams to the injury, I suspect it was either a compound fracture or a major dislocation.  Double jeopardy does not apply when the tackle itself is worthy of a red card without the goalscoring considerations.

Now that the video is linked, I saw that so yea explains why no double jeopardy.  Did anyone else notice the woman behind the TLU goal cheering and dancing for those last goals?  Didn't look like she belonged there.  Strange game all around.

I don't often dig deep into these D3 men's soccer threads and analyses...but I've got to agree that the video of the last 20 minutes of this game is like watching a passion play from another era.  The number of constant fouls, the animosity, the overwhelmed center ref, the TLU goalie beating on his own post after surrendering the last two impossible goals, and lastly...the young woman behind the TLU goal who seemed to be dancing and almost putting a voodoo curse on the TLU team.  The most imaginative Hollywood screen writers couldn't have made this up...

[Fitz@615]

Wow. Just wow. After reading the posts, I had to watch the 2nd half(the parts highlighted at least). I have not watched either team play before; but I was appalled at the play from both teams but would have to say St. Thomas seemed to be the more aggressive, or dare I say more egregious. I hope the young man who had his leg undoubtedly fractured ends up being ok and can play soccer again. I just hated to see the result(St. Thomas winning) in light of the that atrocious play by the St. Thomas player. Hopefully, either the NCAA or their conference will discipline both teams AND their coaches in such a way that the players understand this type of play will not be tolerated.