2023 NCAA Tournament

[D3Parent1]

Just saying that after Conn College beat F&M in PK's 2 rounds ago the entire Conn College team ran to the VERY FAR DIAGONAL END OF THE FIELD to taunt the F&M parents and students.   Shouting and Gesturing.  Running up to the fence line to really get in peoples faces.............. It lasted about 45 seconds until the coach came jogging over to put an end to it....It happens.  I don't think the coach was happy.   None of this reflected well on what is a good program.   

[Newenglander]

Just saying that after Conn College beat F&M in PK's 2 rounds ago the entire Conn College team ran to the VERY FAR DIAGONAL END OF THE FIELD to taunt the F&M parents and students.   Shouting and Gesturing.  Running up to the fence line to really get in peoples faces.............. It lasted about 45 seconds until the coach came jogging over to put an end to it....It happens.  I don't think the coach was happy.   None of this reflected well on what is a good program.   

you said it all....they ran to the side of the field where the pks were taken (where Conn fans had moved as well because pks were there).... No obscene gestures... and if the coach was unhappy then that is the opposite of the situation that's in discussion. Before someone points it out - yes the assistant was shown a red for disagreeing with a call but it was dealt with immediately and nowhere near the the norm for that staff.

[northman]

Just saying that after Conn College beat F&M in PK's 2 rounds ago the entire Conn College team ran to the VERY FAR DIAGONAL END OF THE FIELD to taunt the F&M parents and students.   Shouting and Gesturing.  Running up to the fence line to really get in peoples faces.............. It lasted about 45 seconds until the coach came jogging over to put an end to it....It happens.  I don't think the coach was happy.   None of this reflected well on what is a good program.   

To attempt to put this into some kind of perspective...I was at a Bowdoin game earlier in the season.  I don't remember who the opponent was...but after a Bowdoin goal, the field players ran over to celebrate with the bench players.  After 15-20 seconds, head coach Wiercinski went over and wrestled some of the bench players away from the scrum.  He thought they were over celebrating and wanted to put an end to it.  This doesn't sound like Serpone's program, does it?

[northman]

This is freakin' D3 after all.  This isn't the World Cup, and all of these student athletes are in school to be students before athletes...  Sheesh!

[SierraFD3soccer]

Just saying that after Conn College beat F&M in PK's 2 rounds ago the entire Conn College team ran to the VERY FAR DIAGONAL END OF THE FIELD to taunt the F&M parents and students.   Shouting and Gesturing.  Running up to the fence line to really get in peoples faces.............. It lasted about 45 seconds until the coach came jogging over to put an end to it....It happens.  I don't think the coach was happy.   None of this reflected well on what is a good program.   

Yeah, happened in 2021 at F&M when Middlebury did the same. Celebrating in the front the home crowd. Overall, I'm all for enjoying winning a good game, but it's just ridiculous.  Even football players get penalized for poor sportsmanship.

[Newenglander]

Just saying that after Conn College beat F&M in PK's 2 rounds ago the entire Conn College team ran to the VERY FAR DIAGONAL END OF THE FIELD to taunt the F&M parents and students.   Shouting and Gesturing.  Running up to the fence line to really get in peoples faces.............. It lasted about 45 seconds until the coach came jogging over to put an end to it....It happens.  I don't think the coach was happy.   None of this reflected well on what is a good program.   

To attempt to put this into some kind of perspective...I was at a Bowdoin game earlier in the season.  I don't remember who the opponent was...but after a Bowdoin goal, the field players ran over to celebrate with the bench players.  After 15-20 seconds, head coach Wiercinski went over and wrestled some of the bench players away from the scrum.  He thought they were over celebrating and wanted to put an end to it.  This doesn't sound like Serpone's program, does it?

that is more the norm from what I see- the coach or assistant go and break these things up

[PaulNewman]

In brighter news, either St Olaf or Washington College will be in the national title game!  Congrats to both programs for making their very first Final Four.  Great to see some new blood, although envious on behalf of the great programs that keep knocking on the door to break through but have yet to do so (F&M, Kenyon, Montclair, Cortland, etc) and where the yearly pressure to do so no doubt becomes an added obstacle.

Also, congrats to Colorado College....tremendous run and should have great confidence going forward.

[Bucket]

This is freakin' D3 after all.  This isn't the World Cup, and all of these student athletes are in school to be students before athletes...  Sheesh!

Exactly.

Another Ada anecdote. That regular season game at Midd two years ago, when Hope Gund ran at Jordan St. Louis, taunting him post whistle. Pushing and shoving ensued.

Ada walked away from the mess, shaking his head, and said something along the lines of: "This is NESCAC soccer, we're all the same. This is nonsense."

[SKUD]

I kept my trap shut at the time as to not wanting to bring up the discussion in a mid week game, but I saw extremely similar antics at the conclusion of the Amherst-Montclair State game.

Fair comparison both classless teams.

[D3Parent1]

Just saying that after Conn College beat F&M in PK's 2 rounds ago the entire Conn College team ran to the VERY FAR DIAGONAL END OF THE FIELD to taunt the F&M parents and students.   Shouting and Gesturing.  Running up to the fence line to really get in peoples faces.............. It lasted about 45 seconds until the coach came jogging over to put an end to it....It happens.  I don't think the coach was happy.   None of this reflected well on what is a good program.   

you said it all....they ran to the side of the field where the pks were taken (where Conn fans had moved as well because pks were there).... No obscene gestures... and if the coach was unhappy then that is the opposite of the situation that's in discussion. Before someone points it out - yes the assistant was shown a red for disagreeing with a call but it was dealt with immediately and nowhere near the the norm for that staff.

That is a huge leap.  The fans in that area were 99% F&M and the CT players were in their faces taunting them.   The CT goalie, who played awesome, sprinted over to taunt the F&M fans the moment CT won the PK's.   My point is that this happens, the desire to win is huge, but this was NOTHING like the Amherst team and this did not effect my respect for the CT team and it is not what I remember from that game....  I am thrilled that Wash Coll won today.

[Another Mom]

Well, then I am glad no W&L players taunted anyone after oir PKs.

The postgame interview with Coach Singleton, Will Joseph the W&L GK, and PJ Ryan one of the CBs and a captain.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4l9UhAurUy8&embeds_widget_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fgeneralssports.com%2Fnews%2F2023%2F11%2F19%2Fmens-soccer-joseph-stops-two-in-shootout-to-send-w-l-to-second-final-four-in-three-seasons.aspx%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2D3G1xz5RZ-Njh9-kyC30zupD6IwJ_mVIfYjOl48-s9bQj3OrUW0ZkHTE&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fgeneralssports.com%2Fshowcase%2Fembed.aspx%3Ftitle%3DJoseph%2520stops%2520two%2520in%2520shootout%2520to%2520send%2520W%2526L%2520to%2520second%2520Fi&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fgeneralssports.com&source_ve_path=OTY3MTQ&feature=emb_imp_woyt

[soccerpapa]

Extremely inappropriate behavior from what I have seen and what has been discussed on this board. 

Unfortunately, these antics will continue while there is a win at all costs attitude or until appropriate measures are taken to punish such behavior (ie holding coaches accountable,, issuing appropriate sanctions/suspensions).   As far as the NCAA is concerned their reputation will not be ruined by this.  Had this been an elite 8 NCAA March Madness game there would be heads rolling by now.  Clips would be circulating; discussions would be taking place nationally.  As to Amherst this will not tarnish their reputation either as 99.9999% of the US population has no clue there was even a soccer game involving these two teams today 

That being said student athletes should be held to a certain standard.  As my son just finished a successful college career, I have been forced to reflect on what soccer meant to him and our family.

It has taught him time management, the rewards that come from working hard/dedicating yourself to a goal.  How to deal with adversity, how to lose with dignity and win with humility.   Life lessons that he will need to be a successful adult.

To our family it meant time spent together, traveling, seeing the country. 

It sounds to me that the Amherst players (not all but several) are missing out on these important values and only reinforcing the elitist mindset.   Their coach is doing them a disservice.  They can say they went to Amherst, played soccer and went to the final four but at what cost. 

Needless to say there are 3 teams I will be rooting for in a couple weeks.

[PaulNewman]

Extremely inappropriate behavior from what I have seen and what has been discussed on this board. 

Unfortunately, these antics will continue while there is a win at all costs attitude or until appropriate measures are taken to punish such behavior (ie holding coaches accountable,, issuing appropriate sanctions/suspensions).   As far as the NCAA is concerned their reputation will not be ruined by this.  Had this been an elite 8 NCAA March Madness game there would be heads rolling by now.  Clips would be circulating; discussions would be taking place nationally.  As to Amherst this will not tarnish their reputation either as 99.9999% of the US population has no clue there was even a soccer game involving these two teams today 

That being said student athletes should be held to a certain standard.  As my son just finished a successful college career, I have been forced to reflect on what soccer meant to him and our family.

It has taught him time management, the rewards that come from working hard/dedicating yourself to a goal.  How to deal with adversity, how to lose with dignity and win with humility.   Life lessons that he will need to be a successful adult.

To our family it meant time spent together, traveling, seeing the country. 

It sounds to me that the Amherst players (not all but several) are missing out on these important values and only reinforcing the elitist mindset.   Their coach is doing them a disservice.  They can say they went to Amherst, played soccer and went to the final four but at what cost. 

Needless to say there are 3 teams I will be rooting for in a couple weeks.

+k....Imo very well said.

What really hit home was your March Madness example.  Imagine the winner (or loser) of UK-Duke in the Elite 8...and several players do what happened today.  You're right.  Would be first headline story on ESPN and other places and dominate the news cycle for at least 2-3 days...and major repercussions would be felt for quite a long time.  In the NBA that would be a 10 game suspension and huge fine.

If there is any fallout I wouldn't be surprised if Amherst hangs out to dry the one kid who on the video appears to be the most egregious and offensive.  Has he played in the past six weeks?  Pretty confident for a kid that didn't play to get that aggressive as a cheerleader.  In any case, his actions were consistent with and a function of the culture.  He's accountable of course, but he's by no means the root or source of the problem.

Will be interesting to see how an institution as prestigious and elite as Amherst handles this.

[coach analytics]

Extremely inappropriate behavior from what I have seen and what has been discussed on this board. 

Unfortunately, these antics will continue while there is a win at all costs attitude or until appropriate measures are taken to punish such behavior (ie holding coaches accountable,, issuing appropriate sanctions/suspensions).   As far as the NCAA is concerned their reputation will not be ruined by this.  Had this been an elite 8 NCAA March Madness game there would be heads rolling by now.  Clips would be circulating; discussions would be taking place nationally.  As to Amherst this will not tarnish their reputation either as 99.9999% of the US population has no clue there was even a soccer game involving these two teams today 

That being said student athletes should be held to a certain standard.  As my son just finished a successful college career, I have been forced to reflect on what soccer meant to him and our family.

It has taught him time management, the rewards that come from working hard/dedicating yourself to a goal.  How to deal with adversity, how to lose with dignity and win with humility.   Life lessons that he will need to be a successful adult.

To our family it meant time spent together, traveling, seeing the country. 

It sounds to me that the Amherst players (not all but several) are missing out on these important values and only reinforcing the elitist mindset.   Their coach is doing them a disservice.  They can say they went to Amherst, played soccer and went to the final four but at what cost. 

Needless to say there are 3 teams I will be rooting for in a couple weeks.

I could not agree more with this assessment.  Schools do not tolerate much these days, why tolerate this...It's kind of a form of bullying.  Why do we allow this? Unfortunately, it is leaking out to other programs in the NESCAC as well, from what I have seen and what some others have commented on (F&M game a couple years ago).

Teams are allowed to stand up along the sideline and intimidate refs and opposing players.

What are we teaching these student athletes?

[SierraFD3soccer]

For those who did not see the "celebration" yet....quality will improve once youtube fully uploads the file.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg9YX_NSIFE

That's nuts. And maybe melodramatic -

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,   
    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
    If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,   
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,   
    And—which is more—you'll be a Man, my son!