2023 NCAA Tournament

[Coach Jeff]

So, Tufts and Messiah STILL aren't gonna play (women).

I would have assumed someone with your experience on the MEN's D3 board would know that there is a WOMEN's D3 board. oh my word!!!!

HAHAHAHA

[Kuiper]

Here is a view from Coach Singleton about playing in their backyard:

https://roanoke.com/sports/college/soccer/washington-and-lee-salem-ncaa-division-iii-mens-soccer-semifinals/article_309421ba-8fa8-11ee-a02b-c771f80ba680.html

I didn't realize W&L was constrained by a lack of graduate programs.  It seems as if the 2 seniors they lost were able to stay for a 5th year they would be much better than they already are. 

I know they have one of the best law programs in the country.  I guess I see "university" and incorrectly assume those constraints for 5th years don't apply (or maybe it helps them if an athlete is interested in pursuing a J.D.?)  I'd be curious as to general insight on how this works in practice.  But then again that 5th year of eligibility is expiring so maybe it will be moot.

In order to be a full-time student eligible to compete on a school's varsity athletic team as a "5th year", you either have to be enrolled in a grad program or have taken off a semester at some point so the fall season is actually your last year of study as an undergraduate.  In most liberal arts colleges in DIII, the 5th years on a school's varsity team are likely students who decided to withdraw from the school during some part of Covid or they are enrolled in some graduate program.  There are schools without grad programs of their own that have 3-2 undergrad-grad programs with consortium schools that do have grad programs, which could allow students to technically still be enrolled in the undergrad school even if they are taking primarily or exclusively grad school classes and therefore compete on the undergrad schools' teams.  The grad schools are usually local in those cases.  When they are not, the student plays with the undergrad team in which the grad program is affiliated, as if it was a transfer.  For example, some students have done a grad program at Claremont Graduate University and played their Covid 5th year with Claremont-Mudd-Scripps.  Andrew McSlarrow, who played 4 years at Dickinson I think, did that this year even though CGU is not part of Claremont-McKenna or Harvey Mudd, but rather part of the Claremont consortium of schools. I don't know if I have heard of many JD students trying to double up with a varsity sport in the fall of their first year of law school because the workload would be too intense, but there are some JD schools that offer a 1 year (sometimes online or part-time in evenings) Masters of Legal Studies degree that some students with eligibility do to stay in their sport.  I haven't seen it in a DIII school, but UCLA women's soccer had a player in 2021 who played her Covid 5th year by enrolling in the Law School's Masters in Legal Studies program.  Washington & Lee probably doesn't have that type of program that would permit a student to easily play soccer and go to school.

[camosfan]

So, Tufts and Messiah STILL aren't gonna play (women).

I would have assumed someone with your experience on the MEN's D3 board would know that there is a WOMEN's D3 board. oh my word!!!!

HAHAHAHA

I think he was just mocking the poster!

[Coach Jeff]

Here is a view from Coach Singleton about playing in their backyard:

https://roanoke.com/sports/college/soccer/washington-and-lee-salem-ncaa-division-iii-mens-soccer-semifinals/article_309421ba-8fa8-11ee-a02b-c771f80ba680.html

I didn't realize W&L was constrained by a lack of graduate programs.  It seems as if the 2 seniors they lost were able to stay for a 5th year they would be much better than they already are. 

I know they have one of the best law programs in the country.  I guess I see "university" and incorrectly assume those constraints for 5th years don't apply (or maybe it helps them if an athlete is interested in pursuing a J.D.?)  I'd be curious as to general insight on how this works in practice.  But then again that 5th year of eligibility is expiring so maybe it will be moot.

Thanks for shaing.  Good luck to all teams

[Kuiper]

Here's one bold, non-qualified, non-coach-speak statement from Singleton from the Roanoke article:

https://roanoke.com/sports/college/soccer/washington-and-lee-salem-ncaa-division-iii-mens-soccer-semifinals/article_309421ba-8fa8-11ee-a02b-c771f80ba680.html

"That's one of the things I think is our advantage going into this final four. I think Will Joseph is the best of the four keepers playing in it," Singleton said.

Do people agree?  Will Joseph was first team USC All Region VI, but Anthony Pinto from Washington College was first team USC All Region V.  Joseph is taller, but Pinto had a lower GAA (.64 v. .89).  Both seem pretty commanding in their box and have cat-like reflexes.  Be interesting to watch.

[camosfan]

I am bias towards Pinto ,he and his twin brother play on the same summer team as my son.

[PaulNewman]

So, Tufts and Messiah STILL aren't gonna play (women).

I would have assumed someone with your experience on the MEN's D3 board would know that there is a WOMEN's D3 board. oh my word!!!!

HAHAHAHA

LOL, Coach.  Glad to see you are enjoying yourself. 

Yes, I know there is a women's board.  I rarely browse that one.  Given how badly you got me and exposed me, I did check and see that Kuiper has 3 posts there in a tournament thread.  Oddly there is no discussion of the Tufts-Messiah connection, unless I'm missing something, and if I am please forward a link along.  As you may recall, and iirc, one of your Messiah friends made a remark on the MEN's board about not getting the long-awaited matchup on the men's side again this year while noting that indeed there was a chance they would face off in the women's Final Four.

[Newenglander]

1-0 Olaf with a banger of a goal.....

Foul count 3-1...definitely not a NESCAC game.

[Freddyfud]

Announcer reminds me of Fred Willard in Best in Show



He just mentioned the young man wearing glasses has superpowers.

WAC had 2 real good chances to score.  One hit the bar.  Pinto showed up.  And Strine just scored to level.  Good game so far.

[Kuiper]

1-0 Olaf with a banger of a goal.....

Foul count 3-1...definitely not a NESCAC game.

Washington College ties it up 1-1 on a goal by Ben Strine in the 55th minute.

[PaulNewman]

St Olaf CB with really bad giveaway in a very dangerous area leads to WC goal.  Just 3-4 minutes before the same St Olaf player almost had a horrific own goal.  Let's see if he can recover.

[d4_Pace]

Here is a view from Coach Singleton about playing in their backyard:

https://roanoke.com/sports/college/soccer/washington-and-lee-salem-ncaa-division-iii-mens-soccer-semifinals/article_309421ba-8fa8-11ee-a02b-c771f80ba680.html

I didn't realize W&L was constrained by a lack of graduate programs.  It seems as if the 2 seniors they lost were able to stay for a 5th year they would be much better than they already are. 

I know they have one of the best law programs in the country.  I guess I see "university" and incorrectly assume those constraints for 5th years don't apply (or maybe it helps them if an athlete is interested in pursuing a J.D.?)  I'd be curious as to general insight on how this works in practice.  But then again that 5th year of eligibility is expiring so maybe it will be moot.

In order to be a full-time student eligible to compete on a school's varsity athletic team as a "5th year", you either have to be enrolled in a grad program or have taken off a semester at some point so the fall season is actually your last year of study as an undergraduate.  In most liberal arts colleges in DIII, the 5th years on a school's varsity team are likely students who decided to withdraw from the school during some part of Covid or they are enrolled in some graduate program.  There are schools without grad programs of their own that have 3-2 undergrad-grad programs with consortium schools that do have grad programs, which could allow students to technically still be enrolled in the undergrad school even if they are taking primarily or exclusively grad school classes and therefore compete on the undergrad schools' teams.  The grad schools are usually local in those cases.  When they are not, the student plays with the undergrad team in which the grad program is affiliated, as if it was a transfer.  For example, some students have done a grad program at Claremont Graduate University and played their Covid 5th year with Claremont-Mudd-Scripps.  Andrew McSlarrow, who played 4 years at Dickinson I think, did that this year even though CGU is not part of Claremont-McKenna or Harvey Mudd, but rather part of the Claremont consortium of schools. I don't know if I have heard of many JD students trying to double up with a varsity sport in the fall of their first year of law school because the workload would be too intense, but there are some JD schools that offer a 1 year (sometimes online or part-time in evenings) Masters of Legal Studies degree that some students with eligibility do to stay in their sport.  I haven't seen it in a DIII school, but UCLA women's soccer had a player in 2021 who played her Covid 5th year by enrolling in the Law School's Masters in Legal Studies program.  Washington & Lee probably doesn't have that type of program that would permit a student to easily play soccer and go to school.

Tufts had a player play a full season while attending Tufts Medical School which was a pretty absurd accomplishment

[Kuiper]

1-0 Olaf with a banger of a goal.....

Foul count 3-1...definitely not a NESCAC game.

Washington College ties it up 1-1 on a goal by Ben Strine in the 55th minute.

Breakdown for WC defensively as a St. Olaf cross across the box to an open McKloskey who scores his second to make it St. Olaf 2 - Washington College 1 with about 17 minutes left in regulation

[Newenglander]

2-0 Olaf - Washington D not as stout as I've seen in the tournament.

[Kuiper]

1-0 Olaf with a banger of a goal.....

Foul count 3-1...definitely not a NESCAC game.

Washington College ties it up 1-1 on a goal by Ben Strine in the 55th minute.

Breakdown for WC defensively as a St. Olaf cross across the box to an open McKloskey who scores his second to make it St. Olaf 2 - Washington College 1 with about 17 minutes left in regulation

St. Olaf 3 - Washington College 1

This one looks done and dusted.  WC giveaway on defense provides the Olies another good opportunity and they hammered it home.