2025 NCAA Tournament

bopol · March 03, 2025, 11:35:26 AM

Quote from: HoopsDad34 on March 03, 2025, 11:14:12 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 01, 2025, 10:50:26 PMMary Washington wins the most undeserving AQ. Gosh I hate the C2C.

Why the hate for the C2C? UMW beat a good Salisbury team (16-10 and Top 100 in Massey) and then a very strong CNU (#13 in Massey after the loss) to win their championship. UMW has a Top 20 SOS and lost to RM (#4) by 4 and Hampden (#8) by 5. Fly Eagles Fly!

Probably that 13-14 record and making the tournament with it.

deiscanton · March 03, 2025, 11:44:18 AM

Quote from: bopol on March 03, 2025, 11:35:26 AM
Quote from: HoopsDad34 on March 03, 2025, 11:14:12 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 01, 2025, 10:50:26 PMMary Washington wins the most undeserving AQ. Gosh I hate the C2C.

Why the hate for the C2C? UMW beat a good Salisbury team (16-10 and Top 100 in Massey) and then a very strong CNU (#13 in Massey after the loss) to win their championship. UMW has a Top 20 SOS and lost to RM (#4) by 4 and Hampden (#8) by 5. Fly Eagles Fly!

Probably that 13-14 record and making the tournament with it.

More like the C2C does not mandate their members to play a conference round robin schedule. Their members, while automatically qualifying for the conference tournament provided that there are 6 members or fewer in that league who sponsor the sport, can also opt-out of the conference tournament and forego their opportunity to compete for the AQ, provided that the member notifies the C2C office of their opting out no later than 3 weeks prior to the start of the conference tournament. One of the C2C members, Warren Wilson, opted out of all of the conference tournaments for winter sports this season due to the campus recovering from the after effects of Hurricane Helene, which devastated western North Carolina with record flooding back in the fall.

deiscanton · March 03, 2025, 11:54:35 AM

Men's bracket announcement show has been delayed to 12:30 PM ET, as announced on NCAA.com

HoopsDad34 · March 03, 2025, 12:00:26 PM

Quote from: bopol on March 03, 2025, 11:35:26 AM
Quote from: HoopsDad34 on March 03, 2025, 11:14:12 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 01, 2025, 10:50:26 PMMary Washington wins the most undeserving AQ. Gosh I hate the C2C.

Why the hate for the C2C? UMW beat a good Salisbury team (16-10 and Top 100 in Massey) and then a very strong CNU (#13 in Massey after the loss) to win their championship. UMW has a Top 20 SOS and lost to RM (#4) by 4 and Hampden (#8) by 5. Fly Eagles Fly!

Probably that 13-14 record and making the tournament with it.

I'll grant you their record is not the best...

Greek Tragedy · March 03, 2025, 12:11:53 PM

They don't play a conference schedule.

Greek Tragedy · March 03, 2025, 12:13:48 PM

31 conferences received just 1 bid.

7 conferences received 2 bids

1 conference received 3 bids.

4 conferences received 4 bids.

HoopsDad34 · March 03, 2025, 12:23:01 PM

But UMW was 3-4 vs. ODAC teams and that would have been good enough for their tournament.

CNU85 · March 03, 2025, 12:23:35 PM

If the C2C played a conference schedule, then the conference tournament comes around and UMW wins the tournament, how does that change anything? It doesn't.

Being semi in the know, believe me when I say the teams in the C2C wish there was a better option. But there isn't. We have what we have.

And the university presidents and athletic directors spend an inordinate amount of time trying to make things better. If there was an easy option, it would have been taken already.

HoopsDad34 · March 03, 2025, 12:34:49 PM

Agreed CNU85. I'm new to all of this but the situation is way less than optional. That said, those are the rules and glad to see both CNU and UMW in the dance.

Tigerfan · March 03, 2025, 01:30:02 PM

UMW played a tough schedule. I noticed that the D3 Datacast efficiency ratings were always rather high for their record, so the computers liked them. Throughout the year I thought they were better than their record, so I'm glad they got a reward for competing hard.

Greek Tragedy · March 03, 2025, 02:12:16 PM

It's nothing against the teams in this fake conference. They are basically independents in a conference by name only. It's a loophole to keep their AQ. I know it's not ideal and it's been discussed before, but I still think it's ridiculous that the NCAA allows them to do this. Even though they don't have a conference schedule, they have a conference tournament with an AQ and then MW upsets CNU and steals a Pool C bid from another team. That upsets me more this year because of that.

Greek Tragedy · March 03, 2025, 02:19:44 PM

Quote from: Tigerfan on March 03, 2025, 01:30:02 PMUMW played a tough schedule. I noticed that the D3 Datacast efficiency ratings were always rather high for their record, so the computers liked them. Throughout the year I thought they were better than their record, so I'm glad they got a reward for competing hard.

NPI had them at 88 and as a Pool C 61/62. GAC had an NPI ranking 38 and Pool C 22. But hey, MW competed hard for 2 games and won the C2C conference tournament and got the AQ.

ziggy · March 03, 2025, 02:27:10 PM

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2025, 02:19:44 PM
Quote from: Tigerfan on March 03, 2025, 01:30:02 PMUMW played a tough schedule. I noticed that the D3 Datacast efficiency ratings were always rather high for their record, so the computers liked them. Throughout the year I thought they were better than their record, so I'm glad they got a reward for competing hard.

NPI had them at 88 and as a Pool C 61/62. GAC had an NPI ranking 38 and Pool C 22. But hey, MW competed hard for 2 games and won the C2C conference tournament and got the AQ.

For all the gripes people may have about the C2C the conference tournament is basically the one big thing they have in common with everyone else. GAC had the same opportunity to win their conference tournament as members of the C2C did, though I suppose it is at that fundamental level that the disconnect happens, making it a discussion as to whether the C2C deserves an automatic bid to be fought over. There are no new points to be made in that argument, however.

Great Day to be a Royal · March 03, 2025, 02:35:43 PM

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2025, 02:12:16 PMIt's nothing against the teams in this fake conference. They are basically independents in a conference by name only. It's a loophole to keep their AQ. I know it's not ideal and it's been discussed before, but I still think it's ridiculous that the NCAA allows them to do this. Even though they don't have a conference schedule, they have a conference tournament with an AQ and then MW upsets CNU and steals a Pool C bid from another team. That upsets me more this year because of that.

It's unfair to the teams and conferences that beat each other up all season long, and then a team can get hot one weekend and steal a bid. I get that can happen in any conference tournament, and it is the beauty of this time of year. Still, overall, it diminishes a regular season and everything that goes into the grind of conference play.

CNU85 · March 03, 2025, 02:50:55 PM

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2025, 02:12:16 PMIt's nothing against the teams in this fake conference. They are basically independents in a conference by name only. It's a loophole to keep their AQ. I know it's not ideal and it's been discussed before, but I still think it's ridiculous that the NCAA allows them to do this. Even though they don't have a conference schedule, they have a conference tournament with an AQ and then MW upsets CNU and steals a Pool C bid from another team. That upsets me more this year because of that.

But back to my point. Even if they had played a conference schedule. UMW beats CNU in tournament. Nothing would be different. This is no different than any other conference tournament where there is an upset that busted a bubble. I believe there were at least 3 this year.